It puts into perspective what fedal have done

K-H

K-H

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Not hating on Djokovic. I think he's one of the greatest and won't say he's not on par with fedal because he is.

Djokovic has been dominating for a while now. So much so that ppl have stopped watching tennis because he's too good it gets boring. He's broken so many records. But after all this, he's still on 12 grand slams.

It really puts into perspective what Federer and Nadal have done considering they are on 17 and 14.
 
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He's been amazingly great and consistent. He just got started "too late". Even 2 more Majors won't be easy; of course, he's a great player and I still figure him to win more.
 
BeatlesFan

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He was never as good as either Nadal or Fed. I think he overachieved with 12 majors, as Lendl and Agassi were both superior players but played in a massively more competitive era. And if Djoker fans think he's had a tough era the past 4 years, give me a break. He won 3 majors while beating ancient Fed.

His 2011 season was one of the greatest seasons EVER, as was his 2015. An ATG, no doubt, but I don't think he's going to rebound. All his fans who littered this Forum proclaiming he would effortlessly get 20 majors might finally realize their predictions were never realistic.
 
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If you only consider Djokovic in 2011 and from 2015 to mid-2016, then yes maybe he "overachieved", although he played fantastic those years. He also had plenty of missed opportunities at the FO against Nadal and then Wawrinka, and just overall from 2012-2014 after his stellar 2011.

Thusfar over his career, it seems to me like he's went through periods of "over" and "under" achieving, and maybe 2016 was "on par" achieving.
 
rockbox

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I'm not going to knock Djokovic. He came onto the scene a little to early and had to contend with Fed and Nadal during their prime, while Fed came to onto the scene when all the greats like Sampras and Agassi were close to their retirement. If Djokovic were to come onto the scene 2-3 years ago, he would have had essentially 3 more years of slams with Murray as his biggest competition. Don't you think he would have had at least 4 more slams. Then again, Fed and Nadal probably would have more slams to if Djokovic hadn't come onto the scene when he did, but who knows. I'm all for hoping Novak gets an Agassi/Serena type second wind because I would hate to see a pusher dominate tennis for the next several years.
 
mike danny

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rockbox said:
I'm not going to knock Djokovic. He came onto the scene a little to early and had to contend with Fed and Nadal during their prime, while Fed came to onto the scene when all the greats like Sampras and Agassi were close to their retirement. If Djokovic were to come onto the scene 2-3 years ago, he would have had essentially 3 more years of slams with Murray as his biggest competition. Don't you think he would have had at least 4 more slams. Then again, Fed and Nadal probably would have more slams to if Djokovic hadn't come onto the scene when he did, but who knows. I'm all for hoping Novak gets an Agassi/Serena type second wind because I would hate to see a pusher dominate tennis for the next several years.
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Trust me, by that same token I wish Fed had played his 2011-2012 seasons in 2014-2015, when he was still good enough to contend for majors for real. He would have won 2-3 more slams in that period, instead of 0, like he won in reality. And right now he would have 18-19 majors.

Bottom line, it is what it is. Yes, he had to contend with Fed and Nadal in their primes for a while, but he also missed a lot of opportunities when he did not have Fedal in his way like USO 2012, Wimb 2013, AO 2014, USO 2014, FO 2015, USO 2016. He lost all these where there were no Fedal to worry about. It is because of these lost opportunities that he is stuck on 12 slams.
 
Service Ace

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I don't see how it puts into perspective what "Nadal" did considering Sampras had arguably a more illustrious career than Nadal...

Only Fed has truly demonstrated an unmatched longevity and consistency like no other. Nadal has been an overachieving number 2 his whole career in comparison with Djokovic being an overachieving number 3.

Sure Nadal and DJokovic both had nice careers dominating on a particular surface but only Fed has shown the versatility, consistency and top level worthy of "putting things in perspective"
 
jm1980

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BeatlesFan said:
He was never as good as either Nadal or Fed. I think he overachieved with 12 majors, as Lendl and Agassi were both superior players but played in a massively more competitive era. And if Djoker fans think he's had a tough era the past 4 years, give me a break. He won 3 majors while beating ancient Fed.

His 2011 season was one of the greatest seasons EVER, as was his 2015. An ATG, no doubt, but I don't think he's going to rebound. All his fans who littered this Forum proclaiming he would effortlessly get 20 majors might finally realize their predictions were never realistic.
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LOL, do you people believe those fans were actually serious about Novak winning 20+ majors?
 
Gary Duane

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mike danny said:
Trust me, by that same token I wish Fed had played his 2011-2012 seasons in 2014-2015, when he was still good enough to contend for majors for real. He would have won 2-3 more slams in that period, instead of 0, like he won in reality. And right now he would have 18-19 majors.

Bottom line, it is what it is. Yes, he had to contend with Fed and Nadal in their primes for a while, but he also missed a lot of opportunities when he did not have Fedal in his way like USO 2012, Wimb 2013, AO 2014, USO 2014, FO 2015, USO 2016. He lost all these where there were no Fedal to worry about. It is because of these lost opportunities that he is stuck on 12 slams.
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As much as I dislike the play style of Novak I think he might be sitting on around 14 slams by now if he had changed his diet earlier...
 
MasturB

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Put it this way.

Nole is closer to Nadal and Fed than Murray is to Nole. By a wide and huge margin.

I have accepted Nole as an ATG. I still say he capitalized on a weaker era the last few years with Fed and Nad being way past their primes. Wawrinka owns him though.

If the tour is moving to faster courts like we see at AO then Nole is done. He can still win Miami because it's slower than snails.
 
MasturB

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Service Ace said:
I don't see how it puts into perspective what "Nadal" did considering Sampras had arguably a more illustrious career than Nadal...

Only Fed has truly demonstrated an unmatched longevity and consistency like no other. Nadal has been an overachieving number 2 his whole career in comparison with Djokovic being an overachieving number 3.

Sure Nadal and DJokovic both had nice careers dominating on a particular surface but only Fed has shown the versatility, consistency and top level worthy of "putting things in perspective"
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Nadal is the Clay God.

I think his body of work in clay alone coupled with 2 Wimb and 2 USO makes him much more impressive than Nole. If people rate Sampras above Rafa it's strictly because they prefer grass over clay.
 
Noelan

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Gary Duane said:
Not true. It's more that Novak is so much more human than his fans believed, and his fans thought he could go on outlasting and out-stretching everyone else forever.
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As his long time fan I knew that he is not robot , that was the reason for me to root for him all of these years.
Fedal is the robot that you're looking for Mr Objective


And I guess you're happy now
 
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K-H said:
Not hating on Djokovic. I think he's one of the greatest and won't say he's not on par with fedal because he is.

Djokovic has been dominating for a while now. So much so that ppl have stopped watching tennis because he's too good it gets boring. He's broken so many records. But after all this, he's still on 12 grand slams.

It really puts into perspective what Federer and Nadal have done considering they are on 17 and 14.
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It doesn't mean that he will end his career with 12 GS. Let's wait until they are all finished for real.
 
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KINGROGER

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Djokovic's best year was 2011 but I think that's slightly overrated thanks to the lucky USO SF win and avoiding Fed at Wimbledon which would've resulted in 1 slam only, same as 2012.

Overall of course he's up there as an ATG but Federer and Nadal are in a league of their own and neither had a weak era to capitalise on (both faced each other from 05 onward, Djoko had 14-16 unchallenged.)
 
jm1980

jm1980

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Service Ace said:
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Here are my predictions and comments about Djokovic's Slam tally over the years:

January 2013:
jm1980 said:
I think they'll end up with 9 HC majors each. Djoko will also win an RG to complete his Career GS and end up with 11 or 12 majors overall.
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July 2015: (sadly prophetic so far)
jm1980 said:
I think realistically he'll win a couple more slams and get to 11.

This may turn out to be Djokovic's equivalent to Nadal's 2013 season. Next year will probably be his last good year, and then he'll firmly enter Oldovic territory.

We are seeing Oldal with our own eyes and it's a stark reminder of the inevitability of time. Not everyone can miraculously compete at 32+ like *******.
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(******* = amalgamation of old + Federer)

December 2015 (near peak Djokovic hysteria):
jm1980 said:
As a Novak fan since 2007, I never thought he'd achieve nearly as much as he has. Yeah, chances are he'll probably be behind all those guys when it's said and done.

But he's already surpassed all my expectations. I'm just enjoying the ride now.
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(those guys = Fed, Pete, Rafa, Laver and Borg)

August 2016 (still very close to peak Djokovic hysteria):
jm1980 said:
I predicted 11 Slams when this thread was made. Now if he can get to 13 and surpass the massively overrated Emerson, that would be great.
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So no, I didn't think Novak would easily win 20+ majors... And I don't think most Nole fans were serious about it either
 
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K-H said:
Not hating on Djokovic. I think he's one of the greatest and won't say he's not on par with fedal because he is.

Djokovic has been dominating for a while now. So much so that ppl have stopped watching tennis because he's too good it gets boring. He's broken so many records. But after all this, he's still on 12 grand slams.

It really puts into perspective what Federer and Nadal have done considering they are on 17 and 14.
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I am a Federer fan. But even so I give Djokovic credit for what he has done. Slams are not the only game in town (tennis is 10 1/2 months a year not 8 weeks). In my view Djokovic is already above Nadal in achievements. His extra 5 WTF's and extra 2 Masters 1000's plus 82 weeks more at number 1 combined, slightly exceed the 2 slam gap, as far as I am concerned.
 
cknobman

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Novak has earned his place in history.
He is an all time great and easily top 7 all time.

But that said these fellas are still above him:
Laver
Sampras
Federer
Nadal
 
GabeT

GabeT

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BeatlesFan said:
He was never as good as either Nadal or Fed. I think he overachieved with 12 majors, as Lendl and Agassi were both superior players but played in a massively more competitive era. And if Djoker fans think he's had a tough era the past 4 years, give me a break. He won 3 majors while beating ancient Fed.

His 2011 season was one of the greatest seasons EVER, as was his 2015. An ATG, no doubt, but I don't think he's going to rebound. All his fans who littered this Forum proclaiming he would effortlessly get 20 majors might finally realize their predictions were never realistic.
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I don't know if he will win more slams but he is aging better than Nadal or Federer. His 2015/16 was better than Nadal's 14/15 or Federer's 2009/10.

2011 made it clear he could dominate even peak Nadal.
 
GabeT

GabeT

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timnz said:
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I am a Federer fan. But even so I give Djokovic credit for what he has done. Slams are not the only game in town (tennis is 10 1/2 months a year not 8 weeks). In my view Djokovic is already above Nadal in achievements. His extra 5 WTF's and extra 2 Masters 1000's plus 82 weeks more at number 1 combined, slightly exceed the 2 slam gap, as far as I am concerned.
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Completely agree. This "slams are all that count" obsession is something I have only encountered in online forums. No one else agrees with that. I've yet to see a single ranking of players by tennis experts that relies solely on slams.
 
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Nadals best year was 2008, he received two TUE's after the french. He wouldnt of been able to finish the year if Wada didnt allow him to take peds.

Please stop pairing him with Fed, Fed was clean and did it on natural ability
 
K

KINGROGER

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GabeT said:
I don't know if he will win more slams but he is aging better than Nadal or Federer. His 2015/16 was better than Nadal's 14/15 or Federer's 2009/10.

2011 made it clear he could dominate even peak Nadal.
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2011 was nowhere near peak Nadal. 05-08 was far better on clay, 07-10 better on grass and 05, 09, 13 better on hards.

Federer in 2010 had a strong field to contend and already set the bar. Djokovic up to 2016 had a standard to aim for.
 
Mustard

Mustard

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Nadal is better than Djokovic. He proved that loads of times, even between 2012-2014. Federer is the best for overall dominance in 21st century tennis, but Nadal has the clay dominance, was Federer's nemesis, and is in a league of his own in defeating his biggest rivals on the biggest stages (25-8 against the big 4 in majors).

The most impressive thing about Djokovic is his 2011, better than his 2014-2016. The lost generation have yet to win a major, and only Raonic has got to a major final. Instead, an older player like Wawrinka is having the odd brilliant major win despite inconsistency and has as many majors as Murray.
 
Tennisanity

Tennisanity

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The most unjustified part of the post is using the term "Fedal" Sorry but in no way can you put those two together. In fact, Djokovic is much closer to Nadal than Nadal is to Federer. Hence the topic of the post should be Djokodal results really put into perspective what Federer has done.
 
jm1980

jm1980

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Mustard said:
The lost generation have yet to win a major, and only Raonic has got to a major final. Instead, an older player like Wawrinka is having the odd brilliant major win despite inconsistency and has as many majors as Murray.
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Isn't Nishikori also part of the "lost generation"?
 
jm1980

jm1980

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Chadillac said:
Nadals best year was 2008, he received two TUE's after the french. He wouldnt of been able to finish the year if Wada didnt allow him to take peds.

Please stop pairing him with Fed, Fed was clean and did it on natural ability
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Explain how Nadal and Djokovic are experiencing sharp declines at age 29 while Fed continues to outclass players a decade his junior at age 33+

"Natural" ability :rolleyes:
 
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Tennisanity said:
The most unjustified part of the post is using the term "Fedal" Sorry but in no way can you put those two together. In fact, Djokovic is much closer to Nadal than Nadal is to Federer. Hence the topic of the post should be Djokodal results really put into perspective what Federer has done.
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The OP is a Nadal fan so I can understand why he wants to include Nadal up there with Federer.
 
Bukmeikara

Bukmeikara

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Service Ace said:
I don't see how it puts into perspective what "Nadal" did considering Sampras had arguably a more illustrious career than Nadal...

Only Fed has truly demonstrated an unmatched longevity and consistency like no other. Nadal has been an overachieving number 2 his whole career in comparison with Djokovic being an overachieving number 3.

Sure Nadal and DJokovic both had nice careers dominating on a particular surface but only Fed has shown the versatility, consistency and top level worthy of "putting things in perspective"
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Djokovic is top 3 since 2007 - is that not consistency?! He is dominate every possible surface out there, he is the only to win 4 in a row since Laver and he is far more than overachieving number 3
 
H_Richardson

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KINGROGER said:
Djokovic's best year was 2011 but I think that's slightly overrated thanks to the lucky USO SF win and avoiding Fed at Wimbledon which would've resulted in 1 slam only, same as 2012.

Overall of course he's up there as an ATG but Federer and Nadal are in a league of their own and neither had a weak era to capitalise on (both faced each other from 05 onward, Djoko had 14-16 unchallenged.)
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You could argue that Fed's '09 was overrated due to his 'lucky' FH down 0-40 vs Haas at the French and that he was lucky that Roddick choked at Wimby. He would be slamless withou that. You can make those arguments about everything, no matter how ridiculous. My point is that you calling Djokovic's '11 an overrated year is absurd.
 
mike danny

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KINGROGER said:
2011 was nowhere near peak Nadal. 05-08 was far better on clay, 07-10 better on grass and 05, 09, 13 better on hards.

Federer in 2010 had a strong field to contend and already set the bar. Djokovic up to 2016 had a standard to aim for.
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Strongly disagree with the bolded part.
 
Mainad

Mainad

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rockbox said:
I'm not going to knock Djokovic. He came onto the scene a little to early and had to contend with Fed and Nadal during their prime, while Fed came to onto the scene when all the greats like Sampras and Agassi were close to their retirement. If Djokovic were to come onto the scene 2-3 years ago, he would have had essentially 3 more years of slams with Murray as his biggest competition. Don't you think he would have had at least 4 more slams. Then again, Fed and Nadal probably would have more slams to if Djokovic hadn't come onto the scene when he did, but who knows. I'm all for hoping Novak gets an Agassi/Serena type second wind because I would hate to see a pusher dominate tennis for the next several years.
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Well, I don't think anyone will ever see that happen. The chances of a pusher even getting to #1 let alone staying there are virtually next to none!
 
GabeT

GabeT

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jm1980 said:
Explain how Nadal and Djokovic are experiencing sharp declines at age 29 while Fed continues to outclass players a decade his junior at age 33+

"Natural" ability :rolleyes:
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Nole is not experiencing a sharp decline. His results are better, much better, than Federer's at the same age.
 
Purplemonster

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Service Ace said:
I don't see how it puts into perspective what "Nadal" did considering Sampras had arguably a more illustrious career than Nadal...

Only Fed has truly demonstrated an unmatched longevity and consistency like no other. Nadal has been an overachieving number 2 his whole career in comparison with Djokovic being an overachieving number 3.

Sure Nadal and DJokovic both had nice careers dominating on a particular surface but only Fed has shown the versatility, consistency and top level worthy of "putting things in perspective"
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Mr Versatility has lost to his less versatile main "rival" on every surface in majors.
 
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Chadillac

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jm1980 said:
Explain how Nadal and Djokovic are experiencing sharp declines at age 29 while Fed continues to outclass players a decade his junior at age 33+

"Natural" ability :rolleyes:
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Style of play, just like in the juniors, those guys dont have knee's today.

Djok and nadal work harder than fed, its simple as that. Look at mac today, still going strong based on how he plays.
 
tennisaddict

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GabeT said:
Nole is not experiencing a sharp decline. His results are better, much better, than Federer's at the same age.
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Fed was stopped by players like Nadal , Djokovic, Tsonga, Berdych between 2010-12 at age 29-31

He started losing to Gulbis, Stak and Robredo kind of players in 2013 at age 32

Novak is losing to Querrey and Istomin at age 29.

See the difference ?
 
GabeT

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
tennisaddict said:
Fed was stopped by players like Nadal , Djokovic, Tsonga, Berdych between 2010-12 at age 29-31

He started losing to Gulbis, Stak and Robredo kind of players in 2013 at age 32

Novak is losing to Querrey and Istomin at age 29.

See the difference ?
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In 2009 Federer was losing to players like Tsonga, Benneteau, and Davydenko

In 2015, Nole's equivalent year, Nole had what was arguably the best season in the Open Era.

See the difference?

And the 2010 to 2016 comparison is even worse for Federer.
 
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K-H said:
Not hating on Djokovic. I think he's one of the greatest and won't say he's not on par with fedal because he is.

Djokovic has been dominating for a while now. So much so that ppl have stopped watching tennis because he's too good it gets boring. He's broken so many records. But after all this, he's still on 12 grand slams.

It really puts into perspective what Federer and Nadal have done considering they are on 17 and 14.
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Why assume he wont win more? His age? There's still 3 slams left this year too, at least wait till then lol. Nadal lost in the 2nd round to Rosol in 2012, shut down his year shortly after, and still won 3 more slams.
 
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