Mikeler's Multis

Icsa

Semi-Pro
What kind of racket would be for multi non poly strings? There are constantly newbies strings coming out and some touch ups of older strings, and I wouldn't know about it. You don't have to propose or even recommend the setup you can just tell me what you heard? I am going to stick to Xcel unless someone finds out better solution for better control, comfort, tension maintenance, and power as most important where durability and spin are least important. It seems that Prince Premier Control is recommended a lot as being less expensive, but in Europe(I get strings from there) this string is not that cheap like $69 for reel of 15L, so if it is not better than Xcel no need to switch. Hansen gave me a lot of point about juniors, but I believe juniors have fun trying new setups because they get board playing same strings.

Reels of PPC are usually more expensive than buying a single pack but sometimes they go in sale.

I'm looking at Tennis Warehouse Europe and I'm seeing:
Babolat Xcel 16 - $15.03 (before VAT)
PPC 16 - $10.40
PPC 16 in a bag - $2.58 <- This is a really good price!
 
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Icsa

Semi-Pro
Is PPC better than Xcel in the categories I've mention above?

I didn't play with Xcel, so I can't compare.

PPC will give you more control and durability. Adjust the tension lower for more power if needed. But I would start at the same tension that you are using in XCel, then make adjustments if necessary. If durability is still not good enough, try using string savers - Babolat Elastocross are made of Teflon and they will also make the strings slide easier, which should give you more spin.
 

Adisor

Rookie
I didn't play with Xcel, so I can't compare.

PPC will give you more control and durability. Adjust the tension lower for more power if needed. But I would start at the same tension that you are using in XCel, then make adjustments if necessary. If durability is still not good enough, try using string savers - Babolat Elastocross are made of Teflon and they will also make the strings slide easier, which should give you more spin.
Thanks for the tip never heard of string savers before. I must try it. What gauge of PCC do you recommend the most?
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Hey Mikeler, I am a ppc man myself. I play mostly with prince tour 100 18x20 and sometimes my POG OS 4 stripe. I am looking into the soft poly thing for the POG. What poly are you using?. I was looking at the is speed cream. Might last longer than the ppc in the big stick.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Hey Mikeler, I am a ppc man myself. I play mostly with prince tour 100 18x20 and sometimes my POG OS 4 stripe. I am looking into the soft poly thing for the POG. What poly are you using?. I was looking at the is speed cream. Might last longer than the ppc in the big stick.

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leejayh

Rookie
I have two juniors in my household. They moved from full bed Origin to TB Soft Mains and Origin Crosses (in a Blade), The other uses TB Soft Mains and Vanquish Multi in the crosses.

Both love the shaped string in the Mains. Tour Bite Soft is ok at the right tension

And when the multi or origin wears out, which is pretty quick, I restring it. So, about 12-15 hrs or every two to three weeks.

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Adisor

Rookie
I have two juniors in my household. They moved from full bed Origin to TB Soft Mains and Origin Crosses (in a Blade), The other uses TB Soft Mains and Vanquish Multi in the crosses.

Both love the shaped string in the Mains. Tour Bite Soft is ok at the right tension

And when the multi or origin wears out, which is pretty quick, I restring it. So, about 12-15 hrs or every two to three weeks.

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What tension do they use?
 

Adisor

Rookie
My quandry is this. Your daughter has the racket head speed to be using polyester strings. I'm hesitant to recommend she switch at 13 because I'm concerned about potential arm issues with a child still growing. I'm currently very low tension poly and the comfort is great but I'm not a doctor and I don't know how that translates to a young teenager.
Mikeler someone offer me a reel of Gamma Live Wire 1.27 and Gamma TNT2 1.27. Are they any better than Xcel?
 

mikeler

Moderator
Mikeler someone offer me a reel of Gamma Live Wire 1.27 and Gamma TNT2 1.27. Are they any better than Xcel?

I've never tried Live Wire. If you check out post #1 of this thread, you'll see I rated TNT2 dead last! Then again, I have a guy that I play with who tries strings I don't like because he always likes what I don't.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
I've never tried Live Wire. If you check out post #1 of this thread, you'll see I rated TNT2 dead last! Then again, I have a guy that I play with who tries strings I don't like because he always likes what I don't.

I've tried the XP version of the Live Wire string as well as TNT. I did not like TNT. Live Wire XP was nice but did not last very long. I liked Live Wire Pro but it is almost twice as much as XP
 

Adisor

Rookie
I've never tried Live Wire. If you check out post #1 of this thread, you'll see I rated TNT2 dead last! Then again, I have a guy that I play with who tries strings I don't like because he always likes what I don't.
Have you tried Supex Pro Big Ace? Mareqnyc listed it as the best poly overall bearing in mind that comfort is most important.
 

Adisor

Rookie
I've tried the XP version of the Live Wire string as well as TNT. I did not like TNT. Live Wire XP was nice but did not last very long. I liked Live Wire Pro but it is almost twice as much as XP
I see, so I should not waist my time on the Live Wire because Xcel is much better string.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
I see, so I should not waist my time on the Live Wire because Xcel is much better string.
You might like it. Guess go with price. Xcel was nice but when I tried it I think the tension was too low. I cut it out before it broke. Multi in general don't last as long
 

Adisor

Rookie
You might like it. Guess go with price. Xcel was nice but when I tried it I think the tension was too low. I cut it out before it broke. Multi in general don't last as long
I got 50% of any Gamma reel I want unfortunately Gamma Professional is not in a reel. I know that Zo Verve is good, but it would not suite junior. Thx.
 

Adisor

Rookie
OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Prince Premiere LT 16.

Strung up the Prince Premiere LT 16 yesterday. It felt softer than the RSI stiffness ratings would indicate. It was very easy to string except for a few times when I got minor friction burn on the crosses. I gave it the ball bounce test and it felt a lot like NRG2. It uncoiled very easily out of the package.

Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
Your regular string set up: Mantis Comfort Synthetic 60 pounds full bed
String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
Power (or lack there of): Low/Medium powered multi
Feel: Good feel not great
Tension maintenance: Seemed to hold the first 2 hours
Price: $16.00/set
Overall comments and feedback: See below

General: I could tell on the first few hits that this string had some very nice spin potential. The string has a slight roughness to it which probably helps with spin generation. I loved this string for most shots just wish it felt a little softer.

Serve/Return of Serve: First serve is at 90% due to a shoulder injury. I felt like I could put the serve pretty close to where I aimed. Returns were OK with this string. My opponent had a good serving day so that may have had something to do with it. I missed more than usual just several inches past the baseline. Perhaps further play with this setup will straighten that out.

Strokes: Lots of spin on both wings. Depth control was good. This string felt like RIP/Hexy Fiber for spin potential. My forehand was very good with this string. When I can pull opponents off the court with short cross court forehands, they are usually in trouble that day. I did this often. My inside out forehand was great too. I really liked this string on low forehands. Felt like I could pop a winner at any time. My slice backhand and topspin backhand were solid, but nothing special.

Volleys: It's very good for volleys but I thought Xcel was a little better in that department. Volleys felt very solid when I tried to punch them. Low volleys were somewhat tough with this string, not sure why.

Touch shots: I hit a few bad drop shots at first but then started finding my mark later on and was quite happy with the touch.

Softness: The string feels like a medium softness multi. It felt better after playing for an hour than it did initially so it has a little bit of a break-in period.

Tension: Perfect for my game.

Durability: The strings look pretty good after 2 sets of play. Hopefully they'll give me some decent life. I ended up cutting this out after about 8 hours of play.

Movement: String movement was average for a multi meaning it moves a lot.

Conclusion: This is an excellent string that deserves a premium title. I think I like it slightly better than the Mantis but not quite as much as MultiFeel or Xcel. Too bad it is so expensive because I'm sure more people would buy it if the price were right. I would also prefer it to be just a tad softer. I cut this string out, it performed better fresh than after a few hours.
Mikeler, Prince Premier Control and Prince Premier Power(it used to be called Premier LT, but it improved on comfort according to its description) are both on sale for same price $5 each set. You ranked higher PPC, but if the PPP feels more comfortable, and the price is the same which one would be your pick? And also any difference in black or white color?
 

Icsa

Semi-Pro
What color do you recommend Black or Natural? Is there any difference?

PPC black seems to slide better due to its coating. Otherwise they feel the same. I can't comment on durability since I just put black in one of my racquets. It dented quickly but it is possible that the black is making the dents more visible than in natural.
 

Adisor

Rookie
PPC black seems to slide better due to its coating. Otherwise they feel the same. I can't comment on durability since I just put black in one of my racquets. It dented quickly but it is possible that the black is making the dents more visible than in natural.
Icsa, they also have on sale Prince Premier Power for same price as PPC. Is PPP as good as PPC? What's your take on it?
 

Adisor

Rookie
My friend says PPC black is much more durable than natural. I don't think I've tried the black version.
Mikeler what about my previous question for you, Prince Premier Control and Prince Premier Power(it used to be called Premier LT, but it improved on comfort according to its description) are both on sale for same price $5 each set. You ranked higher PPC, but if the PPP feels more comfortable, and the price is the same which one would be your pick? And also any difference in black or white color?
 

mikeler

Moderator
Mikeler what about my previous question for you, Prince Premier Control and Prince Premier Power(it used to be called Premier LT, but it improved on comfort according to its description) are both on sale for same price $5 each set. You ranked higher PPC, but if the PPP feels more comfortable, and the price is the same which one would be your pick? And also any difference in black or white color?

Both are good. I had the PPP rated at 6.
 

Adisor

Rookie
Both are good. I had the PPP rated at 6.
Mikeler, I noticed a multi string from Discho called Dynapower. How do you compare it to Discho Microfibre? And also since you played a lot with Discho Iontec how would you compare it to Microfibre?
 

mikeler

Moderator
Mikeler, I noticed a multi string from Discho called Dynapower. How do you compare it to Discho Microfibre? And also since you played a lot with Discho Iontec how would you compare it to Microfibre?

I never tried Dynapower. Iontec was nice the few times I played with it but it kept breaking on shanks.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Attacking the competition, Prince produces a winner

OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Prince Premier Attack White 16.

Strung up Prince Premiere Attack 16 in what seems like ages ago due to gout. It was very easy to string up with the exception of the coil memory. A light prestretch would have taken care of that easily but I don't want to prestretch any multis I test so that there are less variables changed between playtests. Really nice feel bouncing the ball off the strings so I was expecting this one to have real potential. It most certainly did.

Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
Your regular string set up: Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 Mains(52#)/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 Crosses(56#)
Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
Power (or lack there of): Medium powered multi
Feel: Average
Tension maintenance: Final tension loss was 12.9% according to RacquetTune.
Price: $9.50/set, $150.00/reel. Not a great reel price.
Overall comments and feedback: See below

General: I could tell on the first few hits that I was going to like this on serves but was concerned it might have too much pop on groundies. The string is rough like Premier LT and both provide very good spin for a multi. I loved this string for everything but drop shots where it was just average.

Serve/Return of Serve: First serve has some nice pop. I was definitely able to generate aces when my shoulder was not sore from the previous day at the gym. Kick serves were really jumping off the court. I don't go for returns like some of my opponents but I felt very comfortable hitting any type of shot off my returns.

Strokes: Lots of spin on both wings. Depth control was good. This string felt like MultiFeel/LT for spin which is just below RIP/Hexy Fiber for spin potential. When I wanted to blast forehands, I felt like I could without having to worry about the trampoline effect. I mention this a lot, but when I can pull opponents off the court with short cross court forehands, they are usually in trouble. I did this often. My inside out forehand was great too. My slice backhand is lethal with this string. The topspin 1 hander was pretty good with it too. Everything just feels great with it.

Volleys: It's very good for volleys almost like RIP. Volleys felt very solid when I tried to punch them. Touch volleys were OK but not stellar.

Touch shots: It's not bad for touch shots, but not great either. This is the one minor weakness with this string.

Softness: The string feels quite soft. Probably a top 10 multi for arm comfort. Yet another string that does not correlate with the RSI stiffness rating. I think elbow sufferers will be able to tolerate this string well. The string did seem to stiffen up at the end. I had this same thing happen with LT, kind of strange.

Tension: Perfect for my game.

Durability: Because the strings don't move that much, I thought notching in the same place could be a problem. Logged 15 sets of singles on PPA and 2 sets of doubles. I cut it out because the last 2 matches my shoulder has been a little bit sore.

Movement: String movement was very little especially for a multi. KCraig would approve.

Conclusion: I said this about the more expensive Premiere LT in that review: "Too bad it is so expensive because I'm sure more people would buy it if the price were right. I would also prefer it to be just a tad softer." It seriously is like Prince developed this string based on those comments. This one just about does it all folks, go out and test if for yourself. Because of the excellent durability and terrific all around performance, I can easily say this is the best mid-priced multi on the market and certainly a contender for best overall.

"The string is rough like Premier LT and both provide very good spin for a multi. "

I am just now trying PPC and really like it. I was reading your review again and saw you called it rough. Did they change the string ... the PPC 16 natural seems very smooth.
 

bateman

New User
I've recently been experimenting with full bed NXT and xcel @ 50ibs~ (unfortunately biphase is much more expensive for me), my last few restrings have been with the French Open version of xcel, which I've found to play very different to the normal/natural version. It feels much less forgiving, with less power potential, and notches a lot quicker it seems, has this been discussed at all? How the 'coated' versions of these string feel different?
 

mikeler

Moderator
I've recently been experimenting with full bed NXT and xcel @ 50ibs~ (unfortunately biphase is much more expensive for me), my last few restrings have been with the French Open version of xcel, which I've found to play very different to the normal/natural version. It feels much less forgiving, with less power potential, and notches a lot quicker it seems, has this been discussed at all? How the 'coated' versions of these string feel different?

In my opinion, the coated versions of multi strings almost always feel more stiff.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
I've recently been experimenting with full bed NXT and xcel @ 50ibs~ (unfortunately biphase is much more expensive for me), my last few restrings have been with the French Open version of xcel, which I've found to play very different to the normal/natural version. It feels much less forgiving, with less power potential, and notches a lot quicker it seems, has this been discussed at all? How the 'coated' versions of these string feel different?
Try Head Velocity MLT. IMO, it has similar feel to Biphase, but with a lot less notching due to the slicker coating. The Velocity MLT 1.25mm (17g) is supposed to be less stiff than Biphase 17 (Biphase has 192 lbs/in vs Velocity's 137 lbs/in according to Racquet Sports Industry), but ... I agree with mikeler that somehow I 'feel' that the Velocity MLT is more stiff than the Biphase. It could be in my head, but I can for sure say that I can really feel the pocketing of fresh string of Biphase more than Velocity MLT.

Since you're in the UK, you can probably still find Discho Microfibre. After reading Mikeler's review, I had a chance to try this when it was still available in the US and really loved that string - maybe I liked it even more than Biphase.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Try Head Velocity MLT. IMO, it has similar feel to Biphase, but with a lot less notching due to the slicker coating. The Velocity MLT 1.25mm (17g) is supposed to be less stiff than Biphase 17 (Biphase has 192 lbs/in vs Velocity's 137 lbs/in according to Racquet Sports Industry), but ... I agree with mikeler that somehow I 'feel' that the Velocity MLT is more stiff than the Biphase. It could be in my head, but I can for sure say that I can really feel the pocketing of fresh string of Biphase more than Velocity MLT.

Since you're in the UK, you can probably still find Discho Microfibre. After reading Mikeler's review, I had a chance to try this when it was still available in the US and really loved that string - maybe I liked it even more than Biphase.

If you can't find the Discho, Signum Pro Micronite is the same string.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
If you can't find the Discho, Signum Pro Micronite is the same string.
Yes, I remember you mentioned this before. AFAIK, Micronite is also not available in the US. TW Europe carries it, and there are some places you can buy from US, but it ships from Germany with hefty shipping charge. Too bad.
 

bateman

New User
Thanks for the suggestions, I've ordered some Signum Pro Micronite, slightly cheaper than other multis which is nice (especially when re strings cost £15). In the meantime I've cut the French Open Xcel out and gone back to a full bed of xcel 16 with a few string savers, instantly a more comfortable and forgivable stringbed, I'll be sure to steer clear of coated / painted multis in the future!
 

Adisor

Rookie
See my signature.
Mikeler, Signum Pro Micronite is the choice for both of my daughters even though they prefer 1.27g because they like more spin. I came across this new multi string Pacific Spin 6 Power, and it seems that this multi could have even more spin than the Micronite. Do you know someone who tried it and can comment on it ?
 

anhboa2

Rookie
LOL I like to read your thread a lot, has come back many times.

But seems like every single string you liked, i hated =)))) i like some thing that is soft and powerful so usually i take the ones from the bottom half of your list.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Mikeler, Signum Pro Micronite is the choice for both of my daughters even though they prefer 1.27g because they like more spin. I came across this new multi string Pacific Spin 6 Power, and it seems that this multi could have even more spin than the Micronite. Do you know someone who tried it and can comment on it ?

Never heard of that one, sorry.
 

mikeler

Moderator
LOL I like to read your thread a lot, has come back many times.

But seems like every single string you liked, i hated =)))) i like some thing that is soft and powerful so usually i take the ones from the bottom half of your list.

One of my regular playing partners is the same way. He likes all the strings at the bottom of my list. Are you a hard hitter?
 

anhboa2

Rookie
One of my regular playing partners is the same way. He likes all the strings at the bottom of my list. Are you a hard hitter?


Yep. I used to be hard hitter, the classic way low trajectory high topspin. Used to liked the control, stiff strings a lot.
But now i'm more more about the control game, move opponents to death and kill them with my classic deadly flat FH. Due to injury of my elbow i play more with gut now, in the past i've never enjoyed the sofrness and power of it.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Mikeler, Signum Pro Micronite is the choice for both of my daughters even though they prefer 1.27g because they like more spin. I came across this new multi string Pacific Spin 6 Power, and it seems that this multi could have even more spin than the Micronite. Do you know someone who tried it and can comment on it ?

To my experience, almost every multi has more spin than Micronite. But none has that feel, touch and control. Excellent choice for a serve and volleyer.

Cheap alternative for your daughters; Maxim Touch 16. Softer, a lot spinnier, more powerful, longer lasting :)
 

Adisor

Rookie
To my experience, almost every multi has more spin than Micronite. But none has that feel, touch and control. Excellent choice for a serve and volleyer.

Cheap alternative for your daughters; Maxim Touch 16. Softer, a lot spinnier, more powerful, longer lasting :)
Will try it.
 
OK thanks. I haven't tried it yet but I bought a new racquet recently and decided to test a few new multis. I've bought Biophase X-One, Prince Premier Attack and The Wilson Optimus string I mentioned. I'll get through them all eventually. Unfortunately I've had to lay off playing for a little while as I had a bit of achilles tendonitis flaring up last week. I'm looking forward to trying out the strings though.
 
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