Thiem Winning Wimbledon

Who beats Thiem? (partially predicting Wimbledon draw)

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Meles

Meles

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Thiem loves fast clay and beat Nadal badly in Rome on it so what is going to stop him on Wimbledon dirt?:confused:

Berdbrain is 19th in the race to Thiem at 3 (seems a bit unlikely)

Nole in the QF is the biggest obstacle, but Thiem just smoke him on the dirt at RG.:eek: Djokovic's return and ability to take time away from Thiem will be deciding factors. If Thiem tips one of these (serving well) then this match will be a close one.:oops:

SF with Raonic/Dimitrov/Zverev/Federer - Raonic would be a huge problem for Thiem. Top form Dimitrov next hardest. Federer is greatly improved from their match last year, but Thiem is as well. Bottom line Thiem on fire could win against all but Raonic.

Nadal/Murray/Cilic/Querrey - if it's a big 4 member Thiem is in business once again with recent wins over both of them. Nadal vs Thiem would be something else.:p
 
Sysyphus

Sysyphus

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Meles said:
SF with Raonic/Dimitrov/Zverev/Federer - Raonic would be a huge problem for Thiem. Top form Dimitrov next hardest.
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TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

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But Meles, what do you think of his performance in Wimbledon?
He had the toughest first round of them all. But after that he hasnt performed amazing. But thats often how he is, chillin in "easy" mutches.
 
Meles

Meles

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
But Meles, what do you think of his performance in Wimbledon?
He had the toughest first round of them all. But after that he hasnt performed amazing. But thats often how he is, chillin in "easy" mutches.
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Thiem has come out of the gate a bit slow in all of his matches, but then he's pulled away. I credit this to Thiem not being that motivated by his opponents. When they've pushed him he's responded.

The big change for Thiem this year is his serve. He was only broken once against Donaldson, Simon went 2 or 3 on break points, and Pospisil got ZERO break points against Thiem. Thiem has been broken 3 times in 49 games for a 94% hold rate at Wimbledon.:eek: Last year Thiem held 91.7% for the grass season. Last year that hold rate would have been good enough for 4th on grass behind Karlovic, Isner, and Raonic. Federer has been at 92% the last two years not counting Wimbledon 2017. It makes sense Thiem is holding more because his serve game has clearly been improved on clay versus last year.:p

Thiem broke the bigger serving Pospisil 4 times and had 13 break points. His return game looks better and his first return game seems to be working better on grass. It looks like his return game is up too. Thiem has broken 28% of the time at Wimbledon 2017 up from 15.4% last year. I doubt his return is greatly improved from last year, but he may come in at 20% break rate on grass for the year which is plenty good given his serve.

In 2009 Roddick made the final winning 95% of his serve games and just 12% of his return games. In 2005 Roddick was 92/21, 2004 92/19 when he made the final. In 2012 Federer won with 91/25 on serve and return. Thiem won't hold as high as 94/28, but if he continues to return well he's just a huge threat with this excellent grass serve game.;) Djoko is probably around 95/28 maybe even higher given the easy match with Klizan injured and #130 Pavlasek crapping the bed in the 2nd round.

Mind you Thiem has been loafing much of the time which was not the case last year; Thiem has more to offer should he get really motivated for a big match.:D
 
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Raindogs

Raindogs

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I don't see any evidence thus far that Thiem can make the strategical adjustments necessary to beat the top players on the biggest stages in a best of five match.
He's undeniably talented and might be able to blast and pummel his way past enough top 15 caliber players to make a deep second week run, but the champions are those who can make adjustments when they fall down two sets to one and then come back, something I am yet to see from this guy.

The updated version of Die Dominic Thiem Methode will hopefully include a chapter on mental fluidity and strategical adjustents when swinging for the fences off both wings isn't doing the job.
 
ibbi

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
For all Berdych's experience and comfort level on grass you would have to hope Thiem can get past him given the fact that he's clearly past it now. A potential QF with Novak would on paper be easily the highlight of that round. Thiem is playing really well, so he'll have to like his chances if he can take confidence from what he did in their match in Paris.
 
amorys90

amorys90

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Nobody. ;) Gulbis was the last hope to knock out Thiem. He knowns Thiem's game very well and the new compact forehand could be used to take time away from Dominic. It seems as if Djokovic inadvertently guaranteed Thiem the title. :eek:

Edit: Peak Querry has a chance though
 
amorys90

amorys90

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Raindogs said:
The updated version of Die Dominic Thiem Methode will hopefully include a chapter on mental fluidity and strategical adjustents when swinging for the fences off both wings isn't doing the job.
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Not happening. Thiem and Bresnik decide the strategy beforehand and he sticks to it no matter what. o_O I hear Resnik added a chapter on log carrying though ;)
 
Deon Sanders

Deon Sanders

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Thiem has had a joke of a draw up until this point

Glad he finally passed the first round of Wimbledon for the first time but lets be real it was a farce

He is done now
 
Meles

Meles

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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
Brave!!
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I stopped for grass, but I must say Roger has upped his game as much as any Fed fan can hope.:eek:

Nadal, Dimitrov, Zverev, Thiem, and even Djoko look to be gathering serious momentum which was not apparent at the beginning of Wimby where:
1. Nadal lost to Berdy at Hurlingham Exho
2. Dimitrov couldn't get a backhand in the court in the 3rd set at Queen's in the Feliciano SF
3. Zverev ran out of gas and got shelled at Halle
4. Thiem way off his grass game of last year
5. Djokovic was on the rise at Eastbourne, but post Halle he was not viewed as a huge factor. Still he faces the issue that it is very rare to win the event a week before a slam and win the Slam (unheard of.)

Zverev and Thiem aren't fully clicking, but expecting to see more from Thiem and we'll see if Zverev handles Raonic.:confused:

Everyone is moaning about conditions benefiting baseliners so though this doesn't hurt Fed's game per se, it helps his opponents more.:D This tournament may start getting really, really good even if Thiem lays an egg versus Berdy.:confused:
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

TheGhostOfAgassi

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Meles said:
I stopped for grass, but I must say Roger has upped his game as much as any Fed fan can hope.:eek:

Nadal, Dimitrov, Zverev, Thiem, and even Djoko look to be gathering serious momentum which was not apparent at the beginning of Wimby where:
1. Nadal lost to Berdy at Hurlingham Exho
2. Dimitrov couldn't get a backhand in the court in the 3rd set at Queen's in the Feliciano SF
3. Zverev ran out of gas and got shelled at Halle
4. Thiem way off his grass game of last year
5. Djokovic was on the rise at Eastbourne, but post Halle he was not viewed as a huge factor. Still he faces the issue that it is very rare to win the event a week before a slam and win the Slam (unheard of.)

Zverev and Thiem aren't fully clicking, but expecting to see more from Thiem and we'll see if Zverev handles Raonic.:confused:

Everyone is moaning about conditions benefiting baseliners so though this doesn't hurt Fed's game per se, it helps his opponents more.:D This tournament may start getting really, really good even if Thiem lays an egg versus Berdy.:confused:
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Regarding Raonic ~~ he is up to something.
 
tennisaddict

tennisaddict

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It would be awesome for Fed, if Thiem can get to SF unfortunately the road ends for Thiem when he faces Bendych.
 
K

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
His serve and big flat shots should be good for grass. Only worry I have is if he doesn't have time, he struggles to hit a decent BH so if he played Fed I wouldn't give him much hope.
 
Meles

Meles

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merwy said:
Weird analysis.. You see Thiem beating Federer (lol), Dimitrov and Zverev but somehow Raonic, who's had a terrible year so far, is an unsurmountable obstacle?
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Raonic and any servebot are a problem for Thiem whose first return cannot handle big, big servers. Fed is about his limit. Tsonga and Raonic are kryptonite for Thiem.:(
 
Meles

Meles

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KINGROGER said:
His serve and big flat shots should be good for grass. Only worry I have is if he doesn't have time, he struggles to hit a decent BH so if he played Fed I wouldn't give him much hope.
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Fed now has a flat backhand at his disposal. Thiem hits so hard some of his shots look flat, but they still have a lot of spin.;)

On the BH front, Thiem slices a lot on grass. The lack of time is a huge problem for his big backhand so you won't see him crushing the backhand at will versus anyone, especially Fed.

He beat Fed last year in Stuttgart and is a considerably better player this year. I sure hope they do play at Wimby as that would be a very entertaining match given that both have improved so much.:p
 
Meles

Meles

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metsman said:
When Thiem and Dimitrough lose on Monday, will it be the most public yet of your many humiliations? :D
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I've got that image hosted and ready.;) The humiliation would be declining Berdych beating Thiem. No shame for Dimitrov if Federer finds a way to destroy him. I'd written Dimitrov off almost completely after his SF with Feli at Queen's. His Wimby form has been a nice surprise.:p

Berdych has shown shines of sharpness for a while now, but keeps finding ways to lose.:D
 
tennisaddict

tennisaddict

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Meles said:
Thiem beat him the last two times he played Roggy and he's greatly improved. We must have this match again at Wimby.
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I have told you time and again even Thiem won't count those two as wins coming against a broken knee Fed who wanted to test the waters, so to speak
 
H

helterskelter

G.O.A.T.
Thiem is clearly going to win, and here's why:

1. He has a 92.675% success rate on first serves into the sun between 4:15 p.m. and 5:35 p.m.
2. He also has a 51.4678% success rate on first returns into the wind between 6:45 p.m. and 6.49 p.m. on the second Sunday in July.
3. He is winning 62.45% of points in which he has a smash.
 
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