junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer without his serve is not a top tennis player, no matter how much he fights. Nadal's game IS about fighting to a large extent.
USO 2018 R4: [2] Federer vs Millman
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Federer without his serve is not a top tennis player, no matter how much he fights. Nadal's game IS about fighting to a large extent.
Depends,Novak's odds increase dramatically if Nishikori gets through IMO. Cilic can be a problem for Djoker much more than the Japanese #1. Meanwhile,Nadal would have to battle with Delpo for 4-5 hours possibly...
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Do you genuinely believe that? Didn't Fed say he would play till 2020.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, he was so old against Kyrgios 2 days ago wasn't he? People going nuts over his around-the-post shot and now he's back to being an old man. He tanked against Millman. He was indifferent to this match and preferred to just be done with it instead of facing Djokovic who would've eaten him alive.
abmk
Bionic Poster
I didn't think it'd end at 17 in 2013. knew major part of it was due to injury issues.
only time I thought he was done winning majors was after Wim 16.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
None of the Fedalovic are 'scared' of each other. They would never be champions if they were 'scared'. If you think a 37 year old man is losing because he's tanking then it is you who's delusional. Fed's movement was off, he served really bad and was extremely exhausted. He was in obvious physical discomfort. The heat and humidity didn't help either. Fed would have loved the challenge of playing Djokovic. It is not to be because finally after delaying the inevitable for so long, Fed has started to look his age.
Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
He didn't lose a set the whole tournament until Millman. He threw this match when he saw that Djokovic was becoming a real possibility. Just watch the second set Fed serving 5-4 40-15 and watch how he just dumped every shot after that. He mailed this match in. He has a losing record against Djokovic and he knows his current form won't improve that h2h.
Well I don't Agree. He could come back to top again in my opinion but this time he lacks burning desire.
Normal for the guy close to retirement.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Listen i am the biggest fed fan but sometimes i start to question his competitiveness at times. He has no business losing to millman period! Now Novak will straight set this guy like Federer should have done even at this stage of his career.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
What a shame really. Fed would have been piece of cake for Novak 
and I looooove it when Novak humiliates Fed . Millman will be tougher
Fed fans are out of their mind. So much hysteria. Too many expectations. Fed is 37. What do you expect? Get real, pfft. His longevity is already off the chart. What's happening now should have happened 2 years ago.
and I looooove it when Novak humiliates Fed . Millman will be tougher Fed fans are out of their mind. So much hysteria. Too many expectations. Fed is 37. What do you expect? Get real, pfft. His longevity is already off the chart. What's happening now should have happened 2 years ago.
gogo
Legend
Not a high bar. But, more seriously, congrats to Millman. He stayed strong even when he was down a break in the third set.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Federer skipped clay to avoid Nadal. Everyone knows that. He tanked against Robredo to avoid Nadal at USO 2013. He did it again here against Millman.
Meles
Bionic Poster
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
Nishikori can beat Djokovic like USO 14
Hardcourter
Rookie
Im tired to hear this nonsense.. Johnny boy played amazing match and all Credit to him
Otacon
Hall of Fame
This is the very definition of aging, the form that fluctuates from one day to another.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
That makes NO sense. Djokovic was ALWAYS the heavy favorite for the title regardless of this match.
Do you honestly believe Fed would beat Djoko even if he won this match? There is no way, as I've been saying before.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Okay. Live in your delusional bubble.
I won't lie, I had a mild suspicion after the way he lost to Robredo in 2013, someone he had owned over the years. He was playing quite well in Cincy and through the first 3 rounds, certainly well enough to beat someone like Robredo quite easily. But I still don't think he tanked. He probably would have tried a little bit harder if the next round wasn't against Djokovic IDK but it feels wrong to accuse someone like Federer of tanking after the career he has had. The benefit of doubt goes to him.
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Tennisgods
Hall of Fame
Now I know we shouldn’t overreact in the heat of the moment but this needs to go out there so that we all understand.
Roger Federer is done winning big in tennis.
I posted something after the Wimbledon fiasco that suggested Fed may never win another ATP title. I was half sure about it then, i’m 90% sure about it now. He’s starting to embarrass himself to be honest.
It’s totally up to him if he retires or not, he’s completely earned that right, but tonight was a bit of an insult to all of his fans. The decline is real, at times it looked like he didn’t even care tonight and if he’s at that point i’d rather he leave the pro tour and focus on stuff like Laver Cup etc.
I’m sure this will be discussed to death in the coming days so i’ll have plenty of opportunity to discuss it with other tennis followers here, but this just needed saying now. It’s the first time i’ve wanted Fed to stop.
Please Fed, walk away.
Roger Federer is done winning big in tennis.
I posted something after the Wimbledon fiasco that suggested Fed may never win another ATP title. I was half sure about it then, i’m 90% sure about it now. He’s starting to embarrass himself to be honest.
It’s totally up to him if he retires or not, he’s completely earned that right, but tonight was a bit of an insult to all of his fans. The decline is real, at times it looked like he didn’t even care tonight and if he’s at that point i’d rather he leave the pro tour and focus on stuff like Laver Cup etc.
I’m sure this will be discussed to death in the coming days so i’ll have plenty of opportunity to discuss it with other tennis followers here, but this just needed saying now. It’s the first time i’ve wanted Fed to stop.
Please Fed, walk away.
FHtennisman
Professional
Better stick to Novak matches, there's no place for tasteless comments like these.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
76 UEs in 4 sets. The guy clearly was going for broke and didn’t care about the result.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Well tbh I didn’t either but most hand-wringers (like some in this thread) did...but beyond that I simply don’t see how this could be worse than the stuff we saw in 2013. Fed’s won a slam this year, and he’s added to his legend so much in these last 5 years. Would anybody risk rewinding back to then and seeing how things play out? I sure wouldn’t.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I'm merely speculating and of course I could be wrong. I actually really hope I am wrong.
Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
So he would've still lost if Joao Sousa had beaten Djokovic earlier today? If Sousa was waiting for Fed in the QF, Fed would've still played like this against John Millman? Be real.
clout
Hall of Fame
tbh he hasn't been at top form since he lost that tight match at IW to Delpo (another match he probably should've won tbh); it's been mostly downhill for him since. However, to say 2018 hasn't been a successful campaign for Roger would be a crime. The guys 37 and he not only won his 20th major but he made it back to world number one and is still the world's second best player currently.
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Deleted member 716271
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I'm semi afraid to say what I think here lol. I dont think he tanked but he could have had the next round's possible matchup imprinted in his mind.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
idk but right now I really think retirement is looming.
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Deleted member 756486
Guest
Come on. You’ve got to admit it’s a small possibility.
I don’t think he tanked but it’s not a far out thought.
FHtennisman
Professional
Nadal sure showed plenty of fight against Darcis in Wimbledon 2013.
jon70
Semi-Pro
Respectful in interviews, Hewitt 2.0 on the court (sometimes.)
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
The weirdest thing wasn't how badly Fed played, it was his checked-out mental state. He showed little will to compete. Normally when he makes poor unforced errors, he gets a little fired up. Instead he seemed completely apathetic and resigned to losing.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
It wasn't a decline. It was the fear of Djokovic. Millman is garbage. You're going to see the slaughter job Djokovic does on Millman in the next round. It will be a complete bloodbath.
Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
Losing to Millman doesn't hurt his legacy nearly as much as getting throttled by Djokovic in the US Open QF. People will forget about this match in a few months. If he got destroyed by Novak this would be talked about for years.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Wouldn't you do the same if Djokovic was waiting for you in the next round? Who wants to be brutally crushed again in AO 2016 style? LOL
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
OMG I just realised that @Terenigma was right all along!! He had a funny feeling Millman would get the win tonight.
He had a funny feeling Millman would get the win tonight.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I think that is a bit unfair. there are a lot more of us so it looks like a massive meltdown, but id imagine if rafa/novak fell off like this there would be a huge commotion from their fanbases.
not to mention, its just drives home how fed really is closer to retirement than anything. millman certainly played well and wasn't missing on a lot of shots but I wouldn't say he blew fed off the court. fed's stats were not looking good
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I don't think Federer tanked. He was serving 35% in the second set when he served for it. I think his game was off and the conditions made it worse, because that drained him. He really should have won that second set though and served it out. Had he done that he would have won this match in 3 or 4 sets.
I don’t know if that really hurt him very much. I would rather doubt it to be honest. But the Anderson loss at Wimbledon (also after having MP) surely did. We know how important Wimbledon is for him, and then this disaster after a 2-0 lead.
But of course today was even worse, especially after the lead in the 4th set and the missed overhead for a 5-2 lead when possibly Millman would have faded away after that. And we are not even talking about the 5-4 40-15 on serve in the 2nd set already.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
That’s my point. He shouldn’t have lost to this guy. It makes me question his competitiveness towards a match with Djokovic. This match was bizarre just like that Robredo match not so long ago.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Have you seen Federer’s play in consequential matches this year?
Post-Rotterdam, he’s been pretty awful in every big match he has contested.
Rolling my eyes @ some internet Federer’s basically calling the real Federer a p u s s y
clout
Hall of Fame
Nadal likely wouldn't win this tournament either so just like Wimbledon, it's a break even once again.
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Guest
At least he can play with Djokovic at the Laver Cup in a few weeks, I mean that's something. And young Alexander.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Why would he tank a hard court slam? Ridiculous notion. He'd never have the slam record with such an absurd mentality.
However, he has not been competitive at USO for years now. The favorites are Djokodal. The dark horses are Delpo/Cilic.
