Tennis Analyst
Rookie
Nadal needed to play 58 events to get #19
Federer needed to play 71 events to get #19
Federer needed to play 71 events to get #19
At 33 years old: Nadal 19 Slams - Federer 17 Slams
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MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
So I assume "played" means you're not counting slams that were skipped due to injury?
cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
Remind me of the surface diversification?
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
Nadal:
Hardcourt - 5 (1AO+4USO)
Grass - 2
Clay - 12
Djokovic:
Hardcourt - 10 (7AO+3USO)
Grass - 5
Clay - 1
Federer:
Hardcourt - 11 (6AO+5USO)
Grass - 8
Clay - 1
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
this is not the right way to measure diversification. You can’t place clay and hard as equals. Hard is twice as important in the slams
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Borg had 11 slams in 27 tries. What does that say?
Who cares how many tries you had. It is about how many you win.
Who cares how many tries you had. It is about how many you win.
Tennis Analyst
Rookie
Yes but it's 11 not 19. Maybe Borg would have needed more attempts than Fred to win 19.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Or maybe less.
crazyups
Professional
Why is hard twice as important?
Tennis Analyst
Rookie
Yes, more, less, nobody knows or cares. That's irrelevant when we compare between Rafa and Fred.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
So is amount of slams played. This stat can only be used once Rafa has more slams. Till then, it is simply irrelevant.
As of now Rafa has less, and if he ties Fed it still means nothing as he could play 30 more and never win another.
Now if Rafa (heading that way), passes Fed, then this stat says something of worth.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Nadal needed to play 58 events to get #19
Federer needed to play 71 events to get #19
To make it even more amazing, he was only healthy for exactly 19 of those 58 slams
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Kuerten IS better than Wawrinka. YE #1, YEC, etc. Wawrinka also peaked during a weak era so don't use competition as an excuse.
But then again you overrate 2014-2020 to the biggest extreme. "Nadal is at his peak cuz the stats say so". "Federer, at 38, is at his peak because it isn't old and he said so".
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Beat Djokovic and Nadal at AO2014.
Beat Federer and Djokovic at RG2015.
Beat Djokovic at USO2016 in the final.
Basically Stan beat the 3 greatest players in the history of the sport to win his Grand Slams. You need to take a step and reanalyze.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Strongest era ever, according to Electric Light Orchestra numbers
But he beat #1 in all three final wins. That's really not shabby.
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Deleted member 307496
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In an era where Murray got to No. 1 and he never made it above No. 3 in the world.. don't make me vomit.
*injured Nadal
*35 year old Federer on clay
Only important victory was over Djokovic and even then he has been known to gift slams.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Based on Novak's stats lol... love the double standards re: Novak fans.Strongest era ever, according to Electric Light Orchestra numbers
But he beat #1 in all three final wins. That's really not shabby.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
LOL! Nadal was getting eaten alive on that court that day before the injury happened.
Federer got beat.
End of story. Go vomit elsewhere.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Maybe he does or maybe he doesn't. Nadal didn't win RG in 2009, 2015 and dropped out 2 rounds into 2016. So there's no guarantee.
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Lots of players have beaten Nadal on HC.
Still was one of the rare times he was actually injured.
Federer hadn't made it past the QF at RG in 3 years. He "got beat" because he sucked.
As long as you keep makin' them posts I'm gonna need a bucket close by.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa got injued during the warm-up period at the beginning of the 2014 AO final.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Maybe the better word is twice as relevant. There are two hard court slams and that only one clay slam. That’s how the tour is structured
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Premature. Federer is the GOAT until Nadal hits 21, and even then it'll be a discussion given Federer is ahead in several categories.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Bullsheet Swiss! You think you are a big grandpa but doesn't know how to fight?Hey man, you better shut your phuck up, Ok!?
Federer is still evolving
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
Because it suits his hero's argument for GOAT more.
topher
Hall of Fame
Funny, someone asked about "surface diversification" then was responded to with the numbers by surface.
When they don't like the answer, they then say that one surface is more important than another. Those goalposts are going to break the sound barrier!
Well, if you you set up 10 dates with 10 different women but only 2 of them show up, how many women could you beg to have sex with at best?
And Roger does have more hair too!
Fed is not (yet) the one with most matches won (Connors is) and percentage wise he is 4th behind Nadal (1st), Borg (2nd) and Djokovic (3rd). So I dont really get your point bringing up that stat.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Oh man...
Your thread is going to be triggering some serious triggering while it triggers.
Your thread is going to be triggering some serious triggering while it triggers.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I've always said that LONGEVITY works at both ends - at a veteran age AND at the very young age. (No, not 11-12.)
I.e. while RF has been awesome at a veteran age, Rafa was SUPERIOR at a very young age compared to RF's young age.
And now Rafa even leads in the 30s part of his career. That will surely crush many illusions and myths about the GOAT pecking order.
I.e. while RF has been awesome at a veteran age, Rafa was SUPERIOR at a very young age compared to RF's young age.
And now Rafa even leads in the 30s part of his career. That will surely crush many illusions and myths about the GOAT pecking order.
BH40love
Semi-Pro
Put the stats side by side it’s not that hard. More wins, more weeks at no1, more YE1, more titles, more majors. You can put numbers next to a number of players to imply who the “goat” is, it’s not so cut n dry
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
almost double? get you head checked... Fed needs 392 weeks at 1 to have the double of Nadal, and that is disregarding the fact that Rafa is highly likely getting 1# back soon, which would likely remain at least prior RG then he will sit at 229 weeks at #1 if he does an horrible clay season, which means he will have more than 70% of the Weeks at 1 as feed (70% of 310 being basically 217 weeks) he currently has 63,2 % of what federer has achieved in terms of week at 1. If anything its 90% of probability that at the same time during next year Rafa will be sitting anywhere between (229 weeks on a bad performance estimate if he fails to win RG and Djokovic wins all early on or someone else step up), or a positive estimate, where Federer Age shows up and Djokovic Injury is something to take in consideration and Rafa finish the year ranked 1# with 262 weeks secured at least until AO 2021.
IF Rafa doesnt get injured and he schedules well there is a possibility (not the most likely but considerable) that Rafa will reach over 262-263 weeks at #1 by the begining of 2021, then having 47-48 extra weeks will not sound like a "world" apart, being that Djokovic, Connors, Lendl, Sampras are all at similar numbers.
More YE1 than who? He isnt the one with most. He doesnt have more than Djokovic and by the end of this season either Nole will surpass him or Nadal will equal him. So again, why do you bring up things like that that dont really help Feds case?
Fed has more titles but in big titles they are all 3 pretty equal and those are the ones that matter. Most of the advantadge in titles is basically ATP 250s tbh.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Agreed. Either double weight hard courts or, better yet, separate the Australian and US Opens, which has the same effect. Either way, the claim that Nadal's lowest number is two and the others is one is deflated.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Ken Rosewall
Pete Sampras
Rafael Nadal
They are the only players to win Grand Slam titles in their teens, in their 20s and in their 30s.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate
Professional
No s**t, Sherlock.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
As predicted, the usual, teary-eyed suspects jump in to argue surfaces to deny yet another credit Nadal has over Federer (moving the goalposts again). Using the worst of Federer' s fans' own criteria for GOAT-hood (the majors count, as they always screamed when they thought Federer was far ahead), Nadal is merely one major behind Federer, meaning there's no true gap preventing Nadal for being in the GOAT running.
They should get used to the idea that Nadal will not stop until he soars right past Federer's majors count...and even at that point, he will not stop.
They should get used to the idea that Nadal will not stop until he soars right past Federer's majors count...and even at that point, he will not stop.
Fed still has better record at 3 slams than Nadal, no matter how many RG he piles up in his 30s. Their records are too different to definitely declare 1 or the other “GOAT” if they end close in totals.
How many slams did both guys have in their prime? 17 > 16 if you want to use that argument.
How many slams did both guys have in their prime? 17 > 16 if you want to use that argument.
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