Djokovic and Nadal and the fight to finish the season No. 1

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Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal and the fight to finish the tennis season No. 1
  • Peter Bodo ESPN.com Staff Writer

If you didn't know better, you might be hard-pressed to believe that top-ranked Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal are in the throes of a struggle with enormous implications for their respective legacies.

Should Nadal win the Paris Masters for the first time in his career this week, he will lock down year-end No. 1 honors for a fifth time, joining the elite company of Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer -- and Djokovic. The top-seeded Djokovic has even more riding on the outcome of the next few weeks. If Nadal stumbles on the hard courts, Djokovic could join Sampras as a six-time, year-end No. 1.

Yet there they were a week ago on Sunday, in far-flung Kazakhstan, with Djokovic acting as a foil to Nadal in an exhibition benefiting Nadal's foundation. ("I can't thank him enough," Nadal said.) Then, after arriving on Sunday in Paris, the men ignored a deep pool of talent and selected each other as practice partners.

"It was actually very unusual because we haven't practiced for years," Djokovic said of their practice session. "It was strange because when I see him across the net, that means I'm playing him probably semifinals or finals of a big event. This time it was a practice session. But nevertheless, the intensity was like a match."

The coming weeks might have a significant impact on their legacies. Neither man is as cavalier as he has been in the past about the importance of rankings, especially the prestigious year-end No. 1 honors.

"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking," Nadal said after winning the US Open. "I need to think about my career in a different way." Djokovic was in a comparable situation late in 2016, with Andy Murray drawing ever closer in his rearview mirror. (Murray eventually locked down the top ranking by beating Djokovic in the final match of the ATP year.)

"I don't think about [the rankings] as a priority now," Djokovic said back then. "From my perspective, I don't think about that. I think about something else that is more important."

Nadal is in the lead at this stage. While Djokovic remains No. 1 in the official 52-week rolling rankings, Nadal leads in the important year-to-date points race. He has a cushion of 1280 points (a Masters Series title is worth 1000), with no points dropping off in the coming weeks. This is why he will also take over the top ranking in the 52-week scheme after next week, no matter what happens in Paris. The bind for Djokovic is that he has to defend some 680 points from last year's results in Paris and London (the tour finals). He won't be able to gain a large number of points the way Nadal might.

"I have to win all of my matches till the end of the season, which I'm aware of," Djokovic said in Paris. "But it also depends on him, how he does. So these kind of calculations are never really great for the mentality of a player, and they take away vital energy that you need to use for your performance. I prefer not [to] really think about it too much."

The fall fails in Paris are hardly surprising. By this time of year, Nadal is usually wildly successful, heavy-legged, injured or incapable of marshaling the energy -- or interest -- in solving the indoor hard-court puzzle. He hasn't won a title on indoor hard courts since 2005, and has claimed a grand total of just two in his 84 tournament wins. He hasn't done much better at the year-ending tour finals. Nadal managed to grind his way to the finals at the year-end championships twice, losing on both occasions to his career rivals -- Federer in 2010, and Djokovic in 2013.

By contrast, Djokovic is the all-time leader in wins (32) at the Paris Masters. He's powered his way to the title a record four times. His results at the tour finals have been equally -- if not more -- impressive due to the quality of the competition in the field comprised of the top eight performers of the year. Djokovic has claimed the title five times, one shy of the record held by Federer, going back 11 years. Three of those wins have been over the record holder. Djokovic also stopped Nadal in the 2013 final. So he's got good reason to think he's still in the game.

Don't let the recent fraternal interactions of Djokovic and Nadal fool you. Both men are deadly serious about the coming weeks, and understand full well the impact the Paris and year-end events could have on their legacies.
Nadal has put himself in position to complete a career year. But he might have to get past a practice partner named Djokovic to achieve it.

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G.O.A.T.
"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1
2017 is not 2019. He has changed his schedule and priorities after so many injuries in late 2017 and specially 2018. In 2017 he played LC, Beijing. Shanhai, Paris and ATP finals. This year he skipped both Beijing and Shanghai, which proves #1 is not longer his prioriy but health and Slams.
 
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Robert Baratheon

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"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1
Yeah but that year gave him the opportunity to chase #1 rankings with very less effort no?
A better look at his attitude towards #1 would come from looking at him skipping Shanghai this year knowing that with Tokyo and Shanghai Djoker had a huge chance to reduce the lead to a bare minimum.

Fraud has a similar attitude towards #1. If there would be a small time opportunity he will go chasing after it but if it's a long time plan he wouldn't bother.
Like when he had a relatively less taxing run at AO18 he decided to play Rotterdam to snatch the #1 from Rafa.
If not for that damn Delpo loss he could have taken the #1 all the way till Wimbledon.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
2017 is not 2019. He has changed his schedule and priorities after so many injuries in late 2017 and specially 2018. In 2017 he played LC, Beijing. Shanhjai, Paris and ATP finals. This year he skipped both Beijing and Shanghai, which proves #1 is not longer his prioriy but health and Slams.
Poor Nadal and his injuries. SO many injuries. It's no wonder he's suffered so many ranking setbacks over the years and lost so much time on his favourite surface.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Poor Nadal and his injuries. SO many injuries. It's no wonder he's suffered so many ranking setbacks over the years and lost so much time on his favourite surface.
Yeah, time lost on one's favorite surface is the only one that matters.

When you think about it, Nadal has actually been the luckiest player in terms of injuries. If only Federer and Djokovic were as lucky as him, damn it...
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Say If Nadal loses Before the SFs here in Paris, and Djokovic wins the whole thing, we could potentially have a 2016 year end replica if both Djokovic and Nadal gets to the final in the ATP finals. That final match would decide the YE#1.
 
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Say If Nadal loses Before the SFs here in Paris, and Djokovic wins the whole thing, we could potentially have a 2016 year end replica if both Djokovic and Nadal gets to the final in the ATP finals. That final match would decide the YE#1.
I don’t want that to happen lol.
 

Red Rick

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"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1
Nadal has a different age and goals than 2017, no?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I don’t want that to happen lol.

*When we are considering these scenarios, it's based on Djokovic going undefeated for the rest of the year. If Djokovic at any Point loses, Nadal is #1. So Nadal has a chance in the scenario of Djokovic losing just a match.

Going back to your post, Nadal can avoid this just by reaching the SFs here in Paris. That would give him 360 Points. Nadal needs 1220 Points to secure the YE#1. 1220-360 = 860. So going into ATP finals, he would need 860 points to secure #1.

You get 200 points per win in the round robin. If he wins all 3 matches, he gets 600 for it. Still not enough. He wins the SFs, he gets additional 400 for it. So it would make it 1000 Points and he secures #1 irrespective of what happens in the final. But lets say he goes 2-1 in the round robin, then he needs to win the whole thing. Going 2-1 in the groups gives him 400 Points, winning SFs gives him 400 Points, that gives him a total of 800 points. He is lacking 60 Points so he would need to win the final in that case.

If Nadal loses in the QFs in paris, that gives him 180 Points. 1220-180 = 1040. So Nadal needs 1040 Points in the ATP finals to secure #1. In this scenario, he would need to win the whole thing either by going 2-1 in the Groups or 3-0. In that final, Djokovic could be waiting where the blockbuster finish to the year could happen where the winner takes the YE#1 prize. In the scenario of Nadal losing before the SFs in Paris, Djokovic wouldn't have to rely on Nadals results to finish #1, basically it would be back into Djokovic's hands where if he wins the ATP finals undefeated it wouldn't matter what Nadal does.
 

Ombelibable

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2017 is not 2019. He has changed his schedule and priorities after so many injuries in late 2017 and specially 2018. In 2017 he played LC, Beijing. Shanhai, Paris and ATP finals. This year he skipped both Beijing and Shanghai, which proves #1 is not longer his prioriy but health and Slams.
I credit Moya got talking sense into him
 

Boom-Boom

Legend
"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1

typical Nadalito :rolleyes:
 

octobrina10

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Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal and the fight to finish the tennis season No. 1
  • Peter Bodo ESPN.com Staff Writer....
Yet there they were a week ago on Sunday, in far-flung Kazakhstan, with Djokovic acting as a foil to Nadal in an exhibition benefiting Nadal's foundation. ("I can't thank him enough," Nadal said.) Then, after arriving on Sunday in Paris, the men ignored a deep pool of talent and selected each other as practice partners.
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This is why he [Rafa] will also take over the top ranking in the 52-week scheme after next week, no matter what happens in Paris. ...

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_...-rafael-nadal-fight-finish-tennis-season-no-1
Rafa and Djoko played the exhibition match in Kazakhstan on Thursday (Oct.24) and practiced together in Paris on Saturday.

Rafa will take over the top ranking in the 52-week scheme next week, on Nov. 4.

 
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reaper

Legend
"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1

That would have cost him neither time nor energy that would jeopardise other goals (slams).
 

Pheasant

Legend
Djoker could make up most of the difference at the WTF alone.

I could see Nadal and Fed in the same bracket of the WTF. If that happens, Nadal might not survive the round robin while Joker goes 5-0 for 1500 points.

This is far from over.
 

Justin Side

Hall of Fame
"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1
Nadal has a different age and goals than 2017, no?
He really does. His haters should check out how many matches Humbalito played in 2017. Now compare that to 2018, and 2019. He went for broke in 2017 to get/keep the #1 ranking, playing every Masters event. Far from it in 2019.
 

MichaelNadal

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Nadal being no.1 again amuses me.

Why, bc it's epic? Even I never thought he'd get there again. ESPECIALLY YE#1

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"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1

Sherlock ... I agree. Nadal should have taken the rest of the year off. I want Djokovic to lock up the year end No 1, the record beckons :)

However, while Paris and WTF are not remotely as important as the slams, they're too big to skip.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking,"

says the Nadal who travelled to Paris and WTF in 2017 to lose in the first round just to collect more ranking points to finish No. 1

Hmm. In 2017, Rafa secured the year-end #1 ranking after winning his R2 match at the Paris Masters.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's got this in the bag. Djokovic's loss in Shanghai made sure of that. If Novak had won that, it at least would have made it interesting
 

BeatlesFan

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Nadal's got this in the bag.
Disagree. The surface in Paris is very fast according to Blake, Becker and several players int he draw. Nadal has never thrived in fast indoor conditions, Djokovic has won countless tournaments on this type of surface. If Djokovic wins Paris and Nadal goes out early at the YEC (or Paris), then YE #1 is Novak's.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Disagree. The surface in Paris is very fast according to Blake, Becker and several players int he draw. Nadal has never thrived in fast indoor conditions, Djokovic has won countless tournaments on this type of surface. If Djokovic wins Paris and Nadal goes out early at the YEC (or Paris), then YE #1 is Novak's.

Rafa himself said on Sunday: "I think this year the surface is quite quick, quite fast."
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Both confirmed as top two for 2019 thanks to Federer's withdrawal and Medvedev's loss.
You mean Djokovic confirmed as top two thanks to their withdrawal. Nadal was already confirmed as top two regardless of what Federer and Medvedev could bring from now on. Even if Federer (or Medvedev) had won both the Paris Masters 1000 and the ATP finals, and Nadal had skipped both tournaments, Nadal would finish the year over them.
 
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