Babolat 3001 instructions
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Irvin
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galicia2102
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I cannot see the video
Irvin
Talk Tennis Guru
What video?
galicia2102
New User
As i have 2 post related to this machine, i am copying what i posted in the other in case someone only monitore one of then:
“Hello,
i was testing calibration of my Babolat VS3001 during this weekend spending a lot of hours but now i am able to understand the process.
first of all, thanks to all the people that help me or at least tried to help: @abllee2198 @Babolat Official @Mike345 @fritzhimself @Irvin @jim e @jeroenn @Hankenstein
here my explanations:
i don´t know if someone had the same problem or could know what is the cause of this error (by double tension). Maybe is something more complicated than simple things but if someone has any idea i will appreciate so much
thanks for your time, hope explanation is clear”
“Hello,
i was testing calibration of my Babolat VS3001 during this weekend spending a lot of hours but now i am able to understand the process.
first of all, thanks to all the people that help me or at least tried to help: @abllee2198 @Babolat Official @Mike345 @fritzhimself @Irvin @jim e @jeroenn @Hankenstein
here my explanations:
i don´t know if someone had the same problem or could know what is the cause of this error (by double tension). Maybe is something more complicated than simple things but if someone has any idea i will appreciate so much
thanks for your time, hope explanation is clear”
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The only thing that I can think of is that the strain gauge maybe damaged or the loadcell beam has been over stressed and lost some of is elasticity. the aluminium section is not returning to its original shape. did the machine have its carriage transport bolt in it when you bought it?
galicia2102
New User
Thanks Mike
Transportation was done without the bolt...maybe the load cell is damage but strange that value is exactly the middle.
I am going to check with the electronic engineer if he has any idea.
I am going to test the machine this weekend and check again if value is really double of the display to see the accuracy day by day.
For me is something of how the machine convert in kg the value of the load cell. But i am not expert
Transportation was done without the bolt...maybe the load cell is damage but strange that value is exactly the middle.
I am going to check with the electronic engineer if he has any idea.
I am going to test the machine this weekend and check again if value is really double of the display to see the accuracy day by day.
For me is something of how the machine convert in kg the value of the load cell. But i am not expert
Just a thought. Did you try setting all three potentiometers to the middle of there range. Count 20 turns counter clockwise then 10 back clockwise. Pot 3 next to the head needs to read 0.9 volts secret button 4 should read 000, then try calibrating the pulling tension, if you can do this whilst having a test meter across the gold pins you will notice you have to balance pot 3 and pot 1 adjustments against each other. Do this set to 60lb or 27kg.
This may cheer you up, if the load cell is damaged.
I can now get the load cell repaired, its possible to fit new strain gauges to the beam load cell.
As long as aluminium load beam has not been bent or over stretch.
I'm looking into getting new beams CNC machined but will need to see if this is cost effective with the cost of fitting the new strain gauges as well.
Mike
This may cheer you up, if the load cell is damaged.
I can now get the load cell repaired, its possible to fit new strain gauges to the beam load cell.
As long as aluminium load beam has not been bent or over stretch.
I'm looking into getting new beams CNC machined but will need to see if this is cost effective with the cost of fitting the new strain gauges as well.
Mike
I have a machine here with exactly the same issue (although this one is going about 10 kilo's above calibration). I've replaced the flatcable (these are known to delaminate and die), I've switched the offset board to exclude issues with the measuremnets / amplification and it made no difference. This weekend I will replace the loadcell as it's likely broken. @Mike345 Do you have the specsheet for the replacement straingauges? Reason I'm asking is that I'm in contact with a cell manufacturer and I may have them do a run of cells to get a bunch of these babolats working again. They can take it from an existing cell, even a broken one, but an actual spec sheet would be best. Creating the aluminium bars is not an issue, it will take 5 minutes to program the CNC and cough up enough of them to sink a battleship...
I do not have the spec as i called in favour from a company I do work for. They sent mine to a "supplier who makes load cells. It came back sealed but I believe they used two half bridge cells to make it up. I can ask if they will give me the spec. What country are you in?
I'm in Holland. Right now I'm using the service of a guy in Germany for a loadcell repair, but he's been doing essentially the same routine: he found a company to repair or replace the strain gauges. It's pretty expensive though. Given that there are tons of machines waiting for a new cell, I want to try to get a bunch manufactured. I could even go to a Chinese manufacturer if I can get all the specs sorted. Chances are it's cheaper and the quality would probably be a lot better than what Babolat used 25 years ago..
How much is he charging?
galicia2102
New User
I checked in CN and they can do 10 units minimum and price is 40 USD per unit.
But we need to send specs to be sure that works. Shape and sensibility at least
But we need to send specs to be sure that works. Shape and sensibility at least
galicia2102
New User
To manufacture the beam is really esay and cheap. I have a 3d model and i can do it my milling in CNC for some units with low cost
mountanddo
New User
the load cell on 3001 looks identical to the one used on my star 4. I am pretty sure everyone who has star4/2502 will be interested to have one extra loadcell as spare parts.
galicia2102
New User
Hello
Yes, that is the point. I have checked with Babtec in France company property of Babolat if they can supply the data sheet but they refuse to give to individual people. Mean that not possible to access to this info. They have but they don’t provide.
If we don’t have this specs, it is a lottery to make a new load cell due to different parameters that have to be taken account in the manufacturing process.
Picture of the load cell CR40 ( by the way in the new machines they use CR50, probably range 0-50kg instead of 0-40kg on old machines)
Yes, that is the point. I have checked with Babtec in France company property of Babolat if they can supply the data sheet but they refuse to give to individual people. Mean that not possible to access to this info. They have but they don’t provide.
If we don’t have this specs, it is a lottery to make a new load cell due to different parameters that have to be taken account in the manufacturing process.
Picture of the load cell CR40 ( by the way in the new machines they use CR50, probably range 0-50kg instead of 0-40kg on old machines)
mountanddo
New User
I will definitely want one load cell as spare part though my star 4 still works fine.
mountanddo
New User
The gold colored one is a gravity release base. I am testing it, it is much nicer and easier to use than the original one.
I will definitely want one load cell as spare part though my star 4 still works fine.
It looks like you modded the adjustment wheel on your Yonex/Kimony starting clamp. Would you be willing to elaborate on what you did?
From where did you source the gold gravity release base?
mountanddo
New User
the starting clamp is not kimony. they are new products from the same company that makes gamma and alpha machines. I got them from a recent trip to Hong Kong. The starting clamp is $50, the base clamp is $90.
galicia2102
New User
Continue with the subject of calibration, if someone has the load cell broken; we need babolat to give us the data sheet.
Do you know if possible to get specs of the load cell of CR40? If not is it possible the data sheet of CR50? THANKS
@abllee2198
@Babolat Official
@Mike345
@fritzhimself
@Irvin
@jim e
@jeroenn
@Hankenstein
Do you know if possible to get specs of the load cell of CR40? If not is it possible the data sheet of CR50? THANKS
@abllee2198
@Babolat Official
@Mike345
@fritzhimself
@Irvin
@jim e
@jeroenn
@Hankenstein
Babolat Official
Hall of Fame
Hi Galicia,
I will reach out to Babtec and let you know if they have any information for you.
Josh
galicia2102
New User
Thanks Josh.
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galicia2102
New User
hello @Mike345
did you be able to make new load cell? it would be interesesting for me. the beam is not a problem to make it, the point is how to fit the new strain gauges on it
thanks
galicia2102
New User
hello Josh (@Babolat Official)
did you find any data sheet or didn´t have time to reach out with Babtec? if you need some contact info like mobile phone and name i can provide you but of course in a private post.
thanks for your reply
Enrique
Babolat Official
Hall of Fame
Close to 300. It works though, you can see they replaced the strain gauge and the machine works ok, calibrates almost as original (it's a little off but not much).
If the rest of the machine is ok, I suppose it's worth it. This one went into a 3002, of which I also replaced the carbon brushes ( a few cents) and flatcables ( a few dollars).
galicia2102
New User
How do you start the mains in your babolat 3001? Nice to know
Irvin
Talk Tennis Guru
Requires a starting / flying clamp.
galicia2102
New User
Yes but i do tension in 2 strings at same time then, where i have to put the starting clamp and the fixed clamp??
And after how do you continue?
Yesterday i did what i do everytime but the starting clamp jumped out of the frame
Folsom_Stringer_Musa
Professional
Great video Irvin. I am amazed to see that machine has just one fixed clamp.
Oh, BTW: I really like diablo on that machine.
Oh, BTW: I really like diablo on that machine.
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fapostolis
New User
hi all!
is there a way to find a babolat star 4 load cell?
my cables from mine where ruined. the body is ok but now it left with only 2 wires on it.
is there a way to find a babolat star 4 load cell?
my cables from mine where ruined. the body is ok but now it left with only 2 wires on it.
fritzhimself
Professional
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fapostolis
New User
can anyboy tell me if the circuit on the load cell is full bridge half bridge or quarter bridge?
Claudio Machado
New User
Hello galicia2102. I have a babolat star5 with a damaged load cell. can you send me load cell datasheet?
Claudio Machado
New User
Hello Josh
I have a babolat star5 with a damaged load cell. Can you send me a load cell datasheet?
Claudio Machado
New User
Hi I have a babolat star5 with a damaged load cell. I also need the load cell specifications.
Babolat Official
Hall of Fame
Hi Claudio,
Where are you located? The load cell for the Star 5 is still available, so you should be able to order one, depending on where you live. I'm based in the US, but can refer you to the appropriate person if you aren't in the US. I do not have the specifications unfortunately.
Josh
Claudio Machado
New User
hello Josh. Thank you very much for your reply. I looked on the internet and didn't find the company that sells the load cell. Could you give me the link to this company?
esgee48
G.O.A.T.
@Babolat Official - you have a reply
@Claudio Machado - this is how to get the attention of a specific poster. He said that Babolat still has a supply of load cells for the Star 5, which is OEM.
@Claudio Machado - this is how to get the attention of a specific poster. He said that Babolat still has a supply of load cells for the Star 5, which is OEM.
Babolat Official
Hall of Fame
Send me a dm with your email, and let me know where you live, and I will get you in touch with the appropriate person.
Josh
Hola Galicia, acabo de incorporarme al post y he visto tu mensaje. Yo tengo una Babolat igual a la tuya y funcionando perfectamente. Por si aún no la has reparado, creo que tengo la dirección de un técnico de Madrid que puede solucionarte el problemaThanks Fritzhimself and Irvin
I am making a mechanical revision and which functions are working.
This 2nd hand machine was offered me for 50€ and i see that all functions are working except: brake due to the use (i need to make a new one part with more thickness) and the linear pulling (i need to see the engine that activate the chain)
The rest is working well:
Magnetic clamp support ok
Knot function Ok
Speed ok
So i need to check if i am able to solve issue
Some pictures
euchoulis
New User
Is it
euchoulis
New User
Hello guys.
Where can I find the secret codes so I can test the vs 3001 that I have
