Tell that to Djokovic fans they would get upset over saying he had it weaker at any point and call Roddick/Hewitt mugs.
Roddick and Hewitt are worse tennis players than Nadal and Djokovic. So it is common sense that facing Roddick or Hewitt in Slam finals represents a weaker oposition than facing Nadal and Djokovic.
But not apply the same to Djokovic or Nadal until maybe more recently for the times they faced lesser oppenents.
All members of the Big 3 have won Slams with weaker opposition. It applies to Nadal and Djokovic as well.
He didn't have it weaker when he won 3 Slams in 2011. Federer, Nadal and DJokovic all benefitted from the last 5 years.
I agree with what you wrote by this logic is not applied. Most of theories were started to fire shots at Federer by Pete fans then it was Nadal/Djokovic fans after that for years (mainly Djokovic fans).
The dumbest thing is how "starts" in either 2003 or 2004. ****ing Thomas Johansson won the Australian Open in 2002.
From 1997 to 2002 you had plenty Johnansson like players in slam finals. And Sampras fans mock Roger for Gonzo,Scud etc etc.
Perhaps the weakest slam winner in the OE.
Yeah, you are right, I didn't took into consideration the AO before it became a proper major.Do you have better examples than Johansson ?
Yeah, you are right, I didn't took into consideration the AO before it became a proper major.Do you have better examples than Johansson ?
You look the form of players in events and match quality. Number of great matches etc etc.
Show me precisely your criteria.
If two players are going toe to toe and hitting great shots throughout the span of a long period of a match against a dangerous in form player. For example Djokovic-Nadal Wimbledon 2018 or Federer-Nadal AO 2009 or Djokovic vs Federer RG 2011 etc etc.
I wonder why???It was stunning, except 2017.
Show me how 2004-06 is better than 2014-19 with this criteria.
I will edit later and show you example and point out the quality matches in a tournament comparison to show you a example. I didn’t actually stay a period was stronger or weaker here by why it should be applied to Federer but not Novak.
I legit think there's an argument to be made for the 90's being weaker than the 2000s, the big differences is that guys like Nalbandian, Tsonga, Berdych and players like that didn't win a Slam due to the Big 4.
Gaston GaudioYeah, you are right, I didn't took into consideration the AO before it became a proper major.Do you have better examples than Johansson ?
To show a short example i will compare 2005 with 2019 at the slams by looking some noteworthy matches in both.
I see only your opinion on matches.
It’s hard to find an objective criteria because stats can be interpreted in more than one way.
I know, but it's better to know them. Then everyone can freely form his own informed opinion.
Yeah it is a opinion but those are the significant matches in the tornament like finals and semis.
One stat that I think is pretty interesting is a look at the skill cap of each spot in the top 10 over the years. For example, #6-ranked Davydenko in 2009 won the WTF and an additional Masters 1000 while #6-ranked Rainer Schuttler in 2003 won just two ATP titles (though he did also make a Slam final) to secure the spot. I would probably focus on Big tournaments instead of collecting points from all ATP tour events just to single out the players who didn't vulture low-tier tournaments to improve in the rankings.
Murray was just one of 3 Djokovic had to deal with. Compare those 3 with anything Fed had in 03-07 and you have clear winner.
Was Murray doing so much better vs Djokovic from 2014 to early 16 than a lot of guys Federer was facing? He was in 2012 but that’s a different story. Murray only got one win that time frame and 3 overall from 2014/15 to 2019.
Wouldn’t say that. But Federer gets dragged under the mud too much.
Correction: 03-07 is considered weak by Fed haters and trolls such as to yourself.
Just my view, 2015-2016 specifically. 2014 and 2017 were fun to watch. 2018-2019 inflation years.
This year has been the best in quite a few years to me. I wouldn’t call any of the years super fun but each year brings something.
I’d say 1990-1995 was powerful. Those 3 players and Ferrer who you listed are underated.
Late 90's, yeah. But the early 90's was very strong. I think at one point the top 5 was Becker, Lendl, Edberg, Sampras, and Agassi all together.
Sampras a great champion but his fans and Djokovic fans started this.
