Djokovic's dad refers to Thiem as "some Austrian..."

Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

daddy said:
It's his money, he earned it and you can envy him but he's still calling the shots on where he lives and pays taxes. Maybe he doesn't trust the government enough to pay taxes and doubts the money will be used for anything good other than pocket filling so he just gives it directly to the community through his foundation ? Just saying, most of us feel let down by our government on so many different levels here, who are you to blame him ( especially if you're not here ).

As for the 2nd part, when he's 38, Nadal will be 39 and Rog will be 44 so I expect him to be extremely happy with anything he wins or achieves as the before mentioned guys would be long since retired so virtually every achievement will be a record braking one. As would have been the Roger's 21st slam - that's the context.

No one "trusts the government enough" when it comes to his own taxpayer's money, so that is a moot point. I have always had a good laugh reading such things exactly from the people who chose to stay in their country, thus taking the brunt from whatever wrong policies, while being apologetic for someone who flew. The masochism is strong with these people. They do seem to loathe their choice a lot, which is amusing, as the opportunities to change their own situation are there, yet they approve of the choices of others, but not their own.

Djokovic's financial contribution to the community is minuscule compared to the the money he would have paid in taxes, and that is clear to anyone not trying to twist himself in a pretzel to be apologetic about Djokovic's moves.

Your point about Djokovic being 38 is completely missing the context: the implication is, that there isn't/won't be parity in the circumstances between when Federer is 38 and when Djokovic will be 38, yet it is doubtful that he will achieve even what Federer has achieved. That is exactly the point: the competition. Djokovic is extremely happy with what he is achieving even at 32, I am sure. That won't make the competition better.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
This is not correct in the sense that it implies that prize money is ONLY taxed in the country where it is earned. That simply isn't true. Then, add to that the fact that these guys probably make more through endorsements, and you might begin to understand that Djokovic didn't move to Montecarlo because of the weather.

Most countries don't tax the prize money twice and they really shouldn't because that makes no sense. If Djokovic plays a tournament in Serbia, like he did while there was Serbia Open, I'm sure prize money was taxed in Serbia.

Genious at Work said:
Do regular Serbian guys who have to pay their taxes in Serbia owe things to Serbia that Nole does not? Please elaborate.

Can Djokovic ply his trade in Serbia realistically?Regular person who lives and works in Serbia pays tax in Serbia. If I go and work in another country, I pay taxes there. Only moron would want to pay taxes twice on his hard earned money. Do you think any (not eggball) football or basketball player that plays outside Serbia's border pays taxes in Serbia on their earnings?

Now, this is all just babble. Truth is, none of you people give a rats ass about Serbia and its taxes. It's just another excuse to bash Djokovic.

Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
Now, this is all just babble. Truth is, none of you people give a rats ass about Serbia and its taxes. It's just another excuse to bash Djokovic.

Of course, and it is not necessary to "give a rat's ass about Serbia and its taxes". It addresses the overly patriotic views that the Djokovic camp markets to us in an attempt to draw attention/sympathy/influence. It is hilarious that yet again Serbia is some special flower when it comes to taxation that no one outside of it should comment, just because their situation is very unique. Except ..... it is not.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Tennis_Hands said:
Of course, and it is not necessary to "give a rat's ass about Serbia and its taxes". It addresses the overly patriotic views that the Djokovic camp markets to us in an attempt to draw attention/sympathy/influence. It is hilarious that yet again Serbia is some special flower when it comes to taxation that no one outside of it should comment, just because their situation is very unique. Except ..... it is not.

Easy, don't choke on so much vitriol.

Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
Easy, don't choke on so much vitriol.

My comment is balanced, on point and without any extraordinary emotion. On the other hand both your previous and your current posts .....

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Tennis_Hands said:
My comment is balanced, on point and without any extraordinary emotion. On the other hand both your previous and your current posts .....

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Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:

Unsurprisingly, you descend into juvenile personal comments when your stance is met with any sort of even mild dissection.

daddy · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
Most countries don't tax the prize money twice and they really shouldn't because that makes no sense. If Djokovic plays a tournament in Serbia, like he did while there was Serbia Open, I'm sure prize money was taxed in Serbia.

Seems like the guy blocked me, can't see his posts. Very mature, when faced with truth you cant bare to hear or accept, run away like a man, don't trade arguments like a child.

Anyways for us involved in business it's an easy explanation about the taxes - almost all countries in the world have a bilateral or multilateral tax treaties signed ( including Serbia which inherited these from Yugoslavia ) meaning that the Vienna Convention and several other tax treaties based on the United Nations and OECD Models contain an rule to avoid double taxation. Taxes are paid in the country of your residence, not necessarily in the country where you earn the money unless it was done on the territory of that country in which case you pay taxes there. For example, you have an online business, live in Monaco and sell in Australia - you pay taxes in Monaco. If the same instance ( you live in Monaco ) but you go to Australia to physically perform work you have an income tax you need to pay where you actually earned that income which is Australia but due to the Vienna Convention, you're not charged in Monaco.

Born_to_slice said:
Now, this is all just babble. Truth is, none of you people give a rats ass about Serbia and its taxes. It's just another excuse to bash Djokovic.

100%.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Tennis_Hands said:
Unsurprisingly, you descend into juvenile personal comments when your stance is met with any sort of even mild dissection.

I'm just bored to death of this discussion.

Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
I'm just bored to death of this discussion.

It is a bit late to be "bored to death" only after your position has been compromised and you don't seem to have a reasonable response. To be honest, it is not very interesting indeed, and the only reason why it is discussed is the incessant mix of sleazy patriotism and actions that go against it that are the cause of the comments. No one cares about how patriotic Djokovic feels, and also no one with a modicum of understanding about these things thinks that he is anything else but a businessman who does what is best for him, no matter where he comes from.

Also, it is obvious that most people that participate in these discussions defending his "patriotism" are in an internal conflict, as they seem to do the opposite of what he does, yet they are in complete agreement with his decision making. If they are pressed to say why that is, I bet that most people living in Serbia will say that they are there because ..... they like their country too much to leave it, just to get rid of certain issues. Accidentally that is a the difference between them and him, who so much loves Serbia.

HuusHould · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
When Djokovic is 38 and has 2 Chapionship Points in Wimbledon against a 6 year younger player call me back, kiddo.

That could potentially be a Thiem Djokovic Wimby final script in 2026!

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

daddy said:
Seems like the guy blocked me, can't see his posts. Very mature, when faced with truth you cant bare to hear or accept, run away like a man, don't trade arguments like a child.

Anyways for us involved in business it's an easy explanation about the taxes - almost all countries in the world have a bilateral or multilateral tax treaties signed ( including Serbia which inherited these from Yugoslavia ) meaning that the Vienna Convention and several other tax treaties based on the United Nations and OECD Models contain an rule to avoid double taxation. Taxes are paid in the country of your residence, not necessarily in the country where you earn the money unless it was done on the territory of that country in which case you pay taxes there. For example, you have an online business, live in Monaco and sell in Australia - you pay taxes in Monaco. If the same instance ( you live in Monaco ) but you go to Australia to physically perform work you have an income tax you need to pay where you actually earned that income which is Australia but due to the Vienna Convention, you're not charged in Monaco.

100%.

I just checked our taxation law and it turns out that if you already payed the tax in another country, you get tax credit in the same amount, so double taxation doesn't exist in our country.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Tennis_Hands said:
It is a bit late to be "bored to death" only after your position has been compromised and you don't seem to have a reasonable response. To be honest, it is not very interesting indeed, and the only reason why it is discussed is the incessant mix of sleazy patriotism and actions that go against it that are the cause of the comments. No one cares about how patriotic Djokovic feels, and also no one with a modicum of understanding about these things thinks that he is anything else but a businessman who does what is best for him, no matter where he comes from.

Also, it is obvious that most people that participate in these discussions defending his "patriotism" are in an internal conflict, as they seem to do the opposite of what he does, yet they are in complete agreement with his decision making. If they are pressed to say why that is, I bet that most people living in Serbia will say that they are there because ..... they like their country too much to leave it, just to get rid of certain issues. Accidentally that is a the difference between them and him, who so much loves Serbia.

What a bunch of psychobabble.

Djokovic showed his patriotism when he refused foreign citizenship. Top sportsman like him is a best kind of advertisement for our country, unlike our sorry politicians who destroyed our own industrial capabilities, sold the country to foreign interests and got us in debt slavery. Thank God Djokovic is not throwing money in that bottomless well.

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil · Feb 9, 2020

PeoplesChamp said:
And just as nervous as the rest of you when Fed held MP

Ready to go into hiding, hitting power buttons ASAP

Congratulations to Federer on holding MP and making us nervous.

Now kiss the ring.

Tennis_Hands · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
What a bunch of psychobabble.

Djokovic showed his patriotism when he refused foreign citizenship. Top sportsman like him is a best kind of advertisement for our country, unlike our sorry politicians who destroyed our own industrial capabilities, sold the country to foreign interests and got us in debt slavery. Thank God Djokovic is not throwing money in that bottomless well.

Citizenship for people like Djokovic is irrelevant as far as real benefits go. He effectively IS a citizen of the country where he lives even without being formally a citizen. Acquiring citizenship in yet another country (different than where he now lives) would have subjected him to obligations that he now avoids with his current situation, so what you describe as a sign of patriotism is divorced from the reality as far as real conclusions go. It is actually the opposite of patriotism.

So, if you are so unhappy with the situation is your home country, why don't you move somewhere else and just like Djokovic to avoid giving money to the corrupt system? Are you a fan of that corruption, so that you feed it?

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Tennis_Hands said:
Citizenship for people like Djokovic is irrelevant as far as real benefits go. He effectively IS a citizen of the country where he lives even without being formally a citizen. Acquiring citizenship in yet another country (different than where he now lives) would have subjected him to obligations that he now avoids with his current situation, so what you describe as a sign of patriotism is divorced from the reality as far as real conclusions go. It is actually the opposite of patriotism.

So, if you are so unhappy with the situation is your home country, why don't you move somewhere else and just like Djokovic to avoid giving money to the corrupt system? Are you a fan of that corruption, so that you feed it?

Novak rejected foreign citizenship way before he became famous. Of course, there's no benefit for him to take citizenship for citizenship's sake, but for financial security gain that goes with that offer. Aren't you a naive one all of a sudden?

So often, ones who don't have any domestic talent, end up buying it from poor countries.

As for me personally, I'm happy not to pay taxes. Hate that wretched **** which only applies to the poor. This is my favorite tax song: "don't pay the poll tax, stick it up your ass!"

Miki 1234 · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
What a bunch of psychobabble.

Top sportsman like him is a best kind of advertisement for our country

Well I dont think so .In fact I think it makes no difference at all.
No one is going to visit serbia or throw money at serbia because of Novak.
Its a f ... balkan myth that pro sport has anything to do with economy.
Slovenia does quite good and never won anything .
Country needs amateur sport not pro sport to prosper.
Other then that you are right.
Novaks family invested their own money in there son and he is their investment like any other company.
Saying to them or Novak that he must pay tax in serbia is like saying to nike or 90% companies in the world that its not fair to make stuff in china.
Its just non sense.
He can do with his company what he likes if its legal.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Miki 1234 said:
Well I dont think so .In fact I think it makes no difference at all.
No one is going to visit serbia or throw money at serbia because of Novak.
Its a f ... balkan myth that pro sport has anything to do with economy.
Slovenia does quite good and never won anything .

It makes difference. Sportsmen are representing their countries and putting them on the map, so to speak. It's invaluable advertisement for the countries.
Of course, it can't fix corruption or magically lift up ruined economy. Nothing functions in absolutes like you suggest.

Slovenia is a different story, but I don't want to discuss politics here. They won European basketball championship 2017 though,were always good in winter sports, have several gold Olympic medals.

Miki 1234 · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
It makes difference. Sportsmen are representing their countries and putting them on the map, so to speak. It's invaluable advertisement for the countries.
Of course, it can't fix corruption or magically lift up ruined economy. Nothing functions in absolutes like you suggest.

Slovenia is a different story, but I don't want to discuss politics here. They won European basketball championship 2017 though,were always good in winter sports, have several gold Olympic medals.

As I said its a myth nothing can prove this.
In fact they f hate us when we win anything .
Pro sport can and will motivate kids to join sports but nothing more then that.
But they cant join coz there are no f conditions to play because pro sport is so good that it hides all the corruption so nothing is invested in sports.

I can give plenty examples, hungary , slovakia , czech, poland even romania are doing better in economy then
Croatia and Serbia which have combined the best pro sportsmen in the world per capita.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Miki 1234 said:
As I said its a myth nothing can prove this.
In fact they f hate us when we win anything .
Pro sport can and will motivate kids to join sports but nothing more then that.
But they cant join coz there are no f conditions to play because pro sport is so good that it hides all the corruption so nothing is invested in sports.

I can give plenty examples, hungary , slovakia , czech, poland even romania are doing better in economy then
Croatia and Serbia which have combined the best pro sportsmen in the world per capita.

143 Entirely · Feb 9, 2020

I’m Serbian.

1. Noone in Serbia likes Srđan. We think he’s very frustrated person, and we think he’s better not to say anything in public.
2. Noone in Serbia likes Federer, because he behaves the way the crowd wants of him. He is acting to be a gentleman. In fact it’s visible “from the plane” he is malicious. Sorry (Fed fanas) because you are not able to detect that in his personality. He assumed he’s etalon for tennis.
3. Noone in Serbia hates Nadal, because of his comitment, energy and honesty of showing emotions.
4. Noone in Serbia hates Thiem. In fact, people here likes him, and I suppose he’ll be the first tip when Novak retires.
5. The sentence ”some Austrian”, wasn’t intended to insult Austrians or Thiem, it was just a way to say “some new fellow on the tour”. In our comprehension it was not rude, although I underatand what can cause such a sentence.
6. When you understand why do you dislike Russians, Chineese, Serbs, Arabs and others in western movies, you are very close to undersand why do you dislike Novak from the first day.
7. All the evidences adduced here on forum why Novak is disliked are pure excuses, because its not easy to admit to oneself that Novak’s best play is unbeatable. He just spoiled the party.
8. Federer’s play is the most elegant, Nadal’s play is the most interesting, Novak’s most rational and powerful to win.
9. I don’t think Novak can achieve more that one GS this year and I’m not sure he can even reach 21 GSs. That’s not so easy as it looks like. Many factors are on the court. Don’t underestimate young fellows.
10. The answer who’s the best tennis player in this era (Federer, Nadal, Novak) is very easy. Thay played many many matches with each other. Just count for yourself.

All this are my personal observations and thoughts.

Sorry for bad English, I don’t speak it, just simple school knowledge.

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
No, Nadal isn't always injured when he loses. The 2019 AO obliteration? Do you think it is reasonable to expect Djokovic to beat Nadal at his best (and Nadal's worst) slam? What I think is crazy is how Nadal has beaten him twice in USO finals when Djoker is supposed to be better on HC.

As far as 2013, come on. Nadal was closer to winning the 2012 AO than that.

You are all over the place man.
Novak beat Nadal at his best on clay more than anyone else.
USO is very different from AO. If you need help with the details let me know.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

Tennisbg said:
The chair umpires don't do anything most of the time. Yes, sometimes they say "shhhhh" or "Please". I also don't think Djokovic expected that they will shut up. He's just frustrated. Also it's not like it's the first time the audience is interfering with his game.
By the way, nice teeth

In general Djokovic tends to antagonize people, get upset with ballboys, etc, unlike Fedal. It's just the way it is. It doesn't make him a murderer, it's just uncomfortable to watch. The most uncomfortable is when the audience gets behind his opponent and he gets annoyed by that. Don't you think that is disrespectful towards his opponent too?

Nadal has been booed and harassed by the audience and he doesn't antagonize them.

My teeth are all natural, thank you for noticing.

weakera · Feb 9, 2020

dr325i said:
You are all over the place man.
Novak beat Nadal at his best on clay more than anyone else.
USO is very different from AO. If you need help with the details let me know.

Novak has never beaten Nadal at his best on clay. It has literally never happened.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

NiCo515 said:
Is your name supposed to be ironic or are you actually dim-witted? Reading your writing, I have to assume it's the latter, because you've taken the liberty of inventing numerous words and using punctuation in all the wrong places. Maybe you're just doing it ironically like the genious you are.

The reason why you think my punctuation is wrong is because you can't use punctuation yourself. For example, in the part I bolded above your commas aren't placed correctly. As a rule of thumb, if you remove anything between commas the remaining text should stand on its own. If I remove the part between your commas the sentence becomes "Reading your writing because you've taken the liberty..."

Don't be a silly man and learn some basic Grammar rules before you have the audacity to criticize someone far more accomplished than you in that area.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

ompluscator said:
This is tennis, not lottery. He played against 38 year old guy because that guy won all matches before final, not because of luck.

And, it's unbelievable boring to constantly read that "old guy" argument. There is a reason why Federer still plays: he is probably afraid that Nadal and/or Novak will break his records, so he wants to extend them, and he believe he is still good to win another GS. If he believes that, and he was close a couple of times, who are you to talk about grandpas?

Not to mention, this "old guy" argument have been staying for years. His fans declared him as old when he was younger than Nadal/Novak today. It looks like Federer was old as soon as he left kindergarten.

Just excuse.

OK, let's forget the "old" discussion. Let's put it this way: Peak Djokovic would have had no chance against peak Federer at Wimbledon, it is really that simple.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

daddy said:
It's his money, he earned it and you can envy him but he's still calling the shots on where he lives and pays taxes. Maybe he doesn't trust the government enough to pay taxes and doubts the money will be used for anything good other than pocket filling so he just gives it directly to the community through his foundation ? Just saying, most of us feel let down by our government on so many different levels here, who are you to blame him ( especially if you're not here ).

As for the 2nd part, when he's 38, Nadal will be 39 and Rog will be 44 so I expect him to be extremely happy with anything he wins or achieves as the before mentioned guys would be long since retired so virtually every achievement will be a record braking one. As would have been the Roger's 21st slam - that's the context.

This argument is crap. If anybody who doesn't trust the government didn't pay taxes then nobody would pay taxes. Taxes are about contributing to your country, which needs money to function so it can provide services to your countrymen. This idea of Djokovic as a Robin Hood is so funny.

The thing is that there are more guys out there than Nadal and Fed, and if Djokovic keeps getting beaten by Kyrgios, Medvedev, and Thiem, then he has a problem.

I know you guys think it is a given that Djokovic will get 22 or 23 slams now after he scraped a victory in his pet slam after being 2 sets down to 1, but let that euphoria settle down and let's see how he has done at the end of his so-called CYGS year, no?

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
Most countries don't tax the prize money twice and they really shouldn't because that makes no sense. If Djokovic plays a tournament in Serbia, like he did while there was Serbia Open, I'm sure prize money was taxed in Serbia.

This isn't true. so I think you must not be an expert in tax law. The law doesn't have to make sense always either, but it still is the law.

Also, as I said, these guys get probably more money through endorsements, and I suppose that Djokovic pays taxes from that money in Monaco as well. How convenient, no?

Born_to_slice said:
Can Djokovic ply his trade in Serbia realistically?Regular person who lives and works in Serbia pays tax in Serbia. If I go and work in another country, I pay taxes there. Only moron would want to pay taxes twice on his hard earned money. Do you think any (not eggball) football or basketball player that plays outside Serbia's border pays taxes in Serbia on their earnings?

It is not about plying your trade there. It is about either following the tax code of the country you are a citizen of, or to try to circunvent it. Djokovic has chosen the later obviously, because there must be some loophole in Serbian law that allows him to do that. Fed and Nadal contribute to the economies of their countries directly by taking a hit in their income through taxes. And, at least in the case of Nadal, it is an expensive choice. I think in the case of Fed it is too (as opposed to leading the good life in Montecarlo.)

Born_to_slice said:
Now, this is all just babble. Truth is, none of you people give a rats ass about Serbia and its taxes. It's just another excuse to bash Djokovic.

If I were Serbian it would irk me that Djokovic talks so much about patriotism while shirking his tax paying duty, yes. How much money does one person need?

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

HuusHould said:
That could potentially be a Thiem Djokovic Wimby final script in 2026!

Do you honestly think Djokovic would get 2 Championship oints in 2026? LOL

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

dr325i said:
You are all over the place man.
Novak beat Nadal at his best on clay more than anyone else.
USO is very different from AO. If you need help with the details let me know.

The difference is Djoker has beaten Nadal on Bo3 events on clay and Nadal has beaten Djoker on Bo5 events on HC.

Yes, the USO is different. The HC GOAT is not really the HC GOAT then, no? More like the AO GOAT. Let me know if you need me to chew this into smaller pieces for you.

Nostradamus · Feb 9, 2020

megamind said:
Translation of an interview with Novak's dad:

"I didn't watch when Novak had medical issues [in final against Thiem], I was driving around the city for 1.30h and I came around the middle of the 4th set and fortunately he started playing [better]. For me, Thiem didn't win any set because Djokovic lost 2 sets and won 3 sets because everything depends on Djokovic, not only in the match against Thiem but also in the match against every other player in the world"
[question about Novak's support in AO]

"7 time AO champion plays on the center court where he never lost any match, in the final, and he plays against some Austrian and they cheer for the Austrian, just imagine that disrespect to Novak. That's just unbelievable but it's the same way as in London, New York, it's better in Paris, and the same [bad] in Madrid. That's a sport for rich people and they can't understand that someone from poor and small Serbia has been the best player in the world for the past 10 years. Cheering against him only gives him additional energy and he will become the best player in history by every parameter. He is the best in every aspect and he is Serbian from Serbia and when he ends his tennis career he will live in his country in his city.

That happens in every city around the world and he doesn't complain about that. In Sydney, when Serbia won ATP Cup, there were many Serbians and Nadal couldn't handle that and that happens to Novak for the past 15 years and he never complains. [following sentence directed to Nadal] Be a man, be a sportsman and tell him [Novak] "Well done", it's like that for him [Nadal] everywhere, in Madrid, in London, everywhere where is the rich Western world and they are "higher race" which they are not because we have shown that we are equal and old civilization so there is nothing to be ashamed of. "

...[talking about the war in Serbia and Novak singing songs about Kosovo]...

[question when does he expect Novak to beat the record for most GS titles]

"This year he will equal with him the number of GS titles because he will win the other 3 GS till the end of the year, he will overtake him for weeks at number 1 around 6th or 7th October, and also, he will win Olympic games in Tokyo."

https://www.telegraf.rs/sport/ao-20...nato-bombi-tokom-finala-ao-sam-vozio-po-gradu

he probably didn't go to college

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

Nostradamus said:
he probably didn't go to college

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
But he was lucky to win Wimbledon from a 38 year old, and Thiem is far from being GOAT material. You are right, there is a difference.

Lucky -no
Not the first time he’s done similar things. And the match does not end at 40:15. And we don’t remember those that “almost” win.

to the rest of your comment, none of Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Baghdadis, Phillapousis, Gonzales, 35+ Agassi fall nowhere close to the ATG/GOAT discussion. I’d take 38yo Federer over 30+ yo Agassi any day

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

weakera said:
Novak has never beaten Nadal at his best on clay. It has literally never happened.

All 7 times, he was injured or exhausted.
fed kicked his butt both times at Nadal’s super-peak

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
The difference is Djoker has beaten Nadal on Bo3 events on clay and Nadal has beaten Djoker on Bo5 events on HC.

Yes, the USO is different. The HC GOAT is not really the HC GOAT then, no? More like the AO GOAT. Let me know if you need me to chew this into smaller pieces for you.

Not sure where you’re getting the HC goat thing and who came up with that. It is obvious, to those that understand the game, that NOVAK is more comfortable with slower/medium outdoor HC than fast (USO, Cincy). You keep throwing terms in the discussion that you come up with hoping that they will stick and strengthen your argument (is that you Donald?)
Nadal beat NOVAK twice at BO5 at USO and Novak beat Nadal once at BO5 at RG, where we all agree Nadal is an absolute GOAT.
what was your point again?

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
This isn't true. so I think you must not be an expert in tax law. The law doesn't have to make sense always either, but it still is the law.

I've already checked Serbian law on this matter and the law states that the amount of taxes that citizen payed in foreign country is counted as tax credit. since tax is always highest in the country where tournament is held, it means that can't be double taxation.

Genious at Work said:
Also, as I said, these guys get probably more money through endorsements, and I suppose that Djokovic pays taxes from that money in Monaco as well. How convenient, no?

1st, you don't know who's actually paying endorsement tax. Endorsement giver or endorsement receiver? It's quite probable that this is also counted towards double taxation. If you have any evidence on how endorsements are taxed please let me know because I found nothing specific on the matter.

Genious at Work said:
Fed and Nadal contribute to the economies of their countries directly by taking a hit in their income through taxes. And, at least in the case of Nadal, it is an expensive choice. I think in the case of Fed it is too (as opposed to leading the good life in Montecarlo.)

Haha, Djokovic is living a "good life" in Monte Carlo while Fedal slave away. Give me a break. I'll give you an example: I go to Djokovic academy and pay the coach 20 eur and court 4,5 eur. At the same time, hour of coaching and courts at Nadal's academy are something monstrous. 56,000$ a year for kids program. Federer is on the money in Switzerland. I don't believe that they are taxing him. I believe that they are paying him. British and whoever else was interested in Djokovic becoming their citizen would also be paying him if he decided to accept their offer. So Djokovic was quite patriotic in that matter.

Genious at Work said:
If I were Serbian it would irk me that Djokovic talks so much about patriotism while shirking his tax paying duty, yes. How much money does one person need?

But you are not Serbian. You are American, right? There are 10 states in the USA that don't have income tax, including Roddick's Texas.

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
I've already checked Serbian law on this matter and the law states that the amount of taxes that citizen payed in foreign country is counted as tax credit. since tax is always highest in the country where tournament is held, it means that can't be double taxation.

1st, you don't know who's actually paying endorsement tax. Endorsement giver or endorsement receiver? It's quite probable that this is also counted towards double taxation. If you have any evidence on how endorsements are taxed please let me know because I found nothing specific on the matter.

Haha, Djokovic is living a "good life" in Monte Carlo while Fedal slave away. Give me a break. I'll give you an example: I go to Djokovic academy and pay the coach 20 eur and court 4,5 eur. At the same time, hour of coaching and courts at Nadal's academy are something monstrous. 56,000$ a year for kids program. Federer is on the money in Switzerland. I don't believe that they are taxing him. I believe that they are paying him. British and whoever else was interested in Djokovic becoming their citizen would also be paying him if he decided to accept their offer. So Djokovic was quite patriotic in that matter.

But you are not Serbian. You are American, right? There are 10 states in the USA that don't have income tax, including Roddick's Texas.

I have both, serbian and US citizenship (since 2000) and I lived and worked in Europe 2009-2012. And the same thing, double taxation standard applies to US laws too.
On the other hand, I find it MUCH more beneficial giving piece of his wealth directly for the specific cause (children in Kosovo, flood victims...) than paying into the Federal bucket.
I wish I could do the same in the US instead of paying for insane military waste, some idiotic walls, etc

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

dr325i said:
I have both, serbian and US citizenship (since 2000) and I lived and worked in Europe 2009-2012. And the same thing, double taxation standard applies to US laws too.
On the other hand, I find it MUCH more beneficial giving piece of his wealth directly for the specific cause (children in Kosovo, flood victims...) than paying into the Federal bucket.
I wish I could do the same in the US instead of paying for insane military waste, some idiotic walls, etc

So if you work in US, you're not paying tax to Serbia on that income, right? It's rhetorical question, because some of my family works abroad and doesn't pay taxes for that income in Serbia.

PeoplesChamp · Feb 9, 2020

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Congratulations to Federer on holding MP and making us nervous.

Now kiss the ring.

Finger wag after beating 40 yr old Groinerer

Someone is still salty about 2011 FO it appears.

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil · Feb 9, 2020

PeoplesChamp said:
Finger wag after beating 40 yr old Groinerer

Someone is still salty about 2011 FO it appears.

No wonder you are grasping, it's been quite a while since Fed won a Slam meeting between them. Maybe next time there will be no imaginjury, 40-15 or any other problems to bother him...

dr325i · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
So if you work in US, you're not paying tax to Serbia on that income, right? It's rhetorical question, because some of my family works abroad and doesn't pay taxes for that income in Serbia.

I don’t. And I don’t know about serbian law. I left in 1991 and never paid a dime to their government.
I was talking about the US laws

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
I've already checked Serbian law on this matter and the law states that the amount of taxes that citizen payed in foreign country is counted as tax credit. since tax is always highest in the country where tournament is held, it means that can't be double taxation.

1st, you don't know who's actually paying endorsement tax. Endorsement giver or endorsement receiver? It's quite probable that this is also counted towards double taxation. If you have any evidence on how endorsements are taxed please let me know because I found nothing specific on the matter.

Haha, Djokovic is living a "good life" in Monte Carlo while Fedal slave away. Give me a break. I'll give you an example: I go to Djokovic academy and pay the coach 20 eur and court 4,5 eur. At the same time, hour of coaching and courts at Nadal's academy are something monstrous. 56,000$ a year for kids program. Federer is on the money in Switzerland. I don't believe that they are taxing him. I believe that they are paying him. British and whoever else was interested in Djokovic becoming their citizen would also be paying him if he decided to accept their offer. So Djokovic was quite patriotic in that matter.

But you are not Serbian. You are American, right? There are 10 states in the USA that don't have income tax, including Roddick's Texas.

1. Are you telling me Djokovic lives in Montecarlo for the weather?
2. Nadal and Fed do a huge amount of charity work outside their countries. They just had a benefits exho in South Africa.
3. The US has many kinds of taxes, and State Income Tax is just one of them.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
1. Are you telling me Djokovic lives in Montecarlo for the weather?
2. Nadal and Fed do a huge amount of charity work outside their countries. They just had a benefits exho in South Africa.
3. The US has many kinds of taxes, and State Income Tax is just one of them.

1. He must live abroad with his career. Why not to live in beautiful Monte Carlo? Maybe he wants to be surrounded by rich people or maybe his wife has a say?
2. They all do charity. I don't see your point here.
3. Sounds like a hell on Earth.

megamind · Feb 9, 2020

ompluscator · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
OK, let's forget the "old" discussion. Let's put it this way: Peak Djokovic would have had no chance against peak Federer at Wimbledon, it is really that simple.

Your opinion, regarding argumentation is not stronger or weaker than my opinion "peak Djokovic beats peak Federer, anywhere".

ompluscator · Feb 9, 2020

143 Entirely said:
2. Noone in Serbia likes Federer, because he behaves the way the crowd wants of him. He is acting to be a gentleman. In fact it’s visible “from the plane” he is malicious. Sorry (Fed fanas) because you are not able to detect that in his personality. He assumed he’s etalon for tennis.

This is actually 100% true - the reason why 99% of Serbs hates Federer is that way he behaves - what most of the crowd wants to see. He is Hollywood for tennis fans. Fake.

143 Entirely said:
3. Noone in Serbia hates Nadal, because of his comitment, energy and honesty of showing emotions.

I can sign this as well. My second favorite player is Nadal, it doesn't matter against whom he plays (even against Serbian, but ofc not Djokovic). And just because he is not fake, not malicious, true sportsman and champion.

Born_to_slice · Feb 9, 2020

143 Entirely said:
I’m Serbian.

1. Noone in Serbia likes Srđan. We think he’s very frustrated person, and we think he’s better not to say anything in public.
2. Noone in Serbia likes Federer, because he behaves the way the crowd wants of him. He is acting to be a gentleman. In fact it’s visible “from the plane” he is malicious. Sorry (Fed fanas) because you are not able to detect that in his personality. He assumed he’s etalon for tennis.
3. Noone in Serbia hates Nadal, because of his comitment, energy and honesty of showing emotions.
4. Noone in Serbia hates Thiem. In fact, people here likes him, and I suppose he’ll be the first tip when Novak retires.
5. The sentence ”some Austrian”, wasn’t intended to insult Austrians or Thiem, it was just a way to say “some new fellow on the tour”. In our comprehension it was not rude, although I underatand what can cause such a sentence.
6. When you understand why do you dislike Russians, Chineese, Serbs, Arabs and others in western movies, you are very close to undersand why do you dislike Novak from the first day.
7. All the evidences adduced here on forum why Novak is disliked are pure excuses, because its not easy to admit to oneself that Novak’s best play is unbeatable. He just spoiled the party.
8. Federer’s play is the most elegant, Nadal’s play is the most interesting, Novak’s most rational and powerful to win.
9. I don’t think Novak can achieve more that one GS this year and I’m not sure he can even reach 21 GSs. That’s not so easy as it looks like. Many factors are on the court. Don’t underestimate young fellows.
10. The answer who’s the best tennis player in this era (Federer, Nadal, Novak) is very easy. Thay played many many matches with each other. Just count for yourself.

All this are my personal observations and thoughts.

Sorry for bad English, I don’t speak it, just simple school knowledge.

Many in Serbia like Federer. Almost everyone respects him, people who play tennis especially. Good point on no.6 though.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

ompluscator said:
Your opinion, regarding argumentation is not stronger or weaker than my opinion "peak Djokovic beats peak Federer, anywhere".

Not an absolute proof, but Fed is at least 1 full tier below his peak level of 15 years ago.

Genious at Work · Feb 9, 2020

Born_to_slice said:
1. He must live abroad with his career. Why not to live in beautiful Monte Carlo? Maybe he wants to be surrounded by rich people or maybe his wife has a say?
2. They all do charity. I don't see your point here.
3. Sounds like a hell on Earth.

I give up. Yes, nobody likes to pay taxes. If you are American and work abroad you still have to pay taxes in the US. That is why so many people give up their citizenship.

NiCo515 · Feb 9, 2020

Genious at Work said:
The reason why you think my punctuation is wrong is because you can't use punctuation yourself. For example, in the part I bolded above your commas aren't placed correctly. As a rule of thumb, if you remove anything between commas the remaining text should stand on its own. If I remove the part between your commas the sentence becomes "Reading your writing because you've taken the liberty..."

Don't be a silly man and learn some basic Grammar rules before you have the audacity to criticize someone far more accomplished than you in that area.

You really are an idiot. I hope English isn't your first language.

Djokovic's dad refers to Thiem as "some Austrian..."

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