What Gauge of Hyper G and Cyclone?
styksnstryngs
Professional
Imagine if everyone tried out different strings and gear to find what worked best for them instead of buying into hype. I'd estimate rpm blast, hyper g, cyclone and tour bite users would number a third of what they do now.
Sardines
Hall of Fame
You forgot to put 18L for Cyclone. I found it to be the best of the Cyclone range in terms of playability(bite, tension) and durability(hours before it snaps).
Unfortunately, with the plethora of co-polys out there, it's nigh impossible to try them all out. There is however, an ability for people to adjust to something, based on popularity. The mentality is that if many like it, it has to be good. Whether that's justified is subjective.
I hear you. It is not really a hype thing for this poll though since I didnt ask what string you liked best. Sorry you felt that way. I have limited my choices to these two since I tried a lot of strings. I have been using Cyclone 16 since 2012 until recently my third reel is coming to an end. Decided to try a couple of other sets of string to see if I should change. Not everyone has money to try all gauges, going with the most popular then up and down is the best way to go IMO.
g4driver
Legend
Nail mets hammer [emoji4]! Great post.. but you forgot Alu Power [emoji6]. I refuse to stock TourBite as having 4 out of those 5 strings in reels is enough. [emoji28]. You would be surprised how few 4.5 players choose Alu Power or Hyoer G after hitting with them in blind playtests. Most players don't know who makes strings, the names of those strings or anything about them. Most stringers don't know who Hyoer G was designed for and it's target audience from Solinco.
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cyclone’s sharp edges wear smooth quite quickly...tourna silver7tour, big hitter black 7 and diadem solstice power all maintain their shape much longer. VCT 16g is by far my favorite main string (it is so soft!!!) strung at appropriate low tension (~40). I like to pair it with a thin slick round poly in cross (love revolve)
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jugheadfla
Semi-Pro
Black Cyclone 18g is just amazing in all categories. So good bought a reel.
I'm one of the suckers that's been using RPM blast and was about to order a couple packets of Hyper G to try out so am curious, who was it designed for?
g4driver
Legend
Talk Tennis Podcast | Tennis Warehouse
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35:49 of this podcast gives you a hint. Jonathon, TW's string guru is speaking and says "We have this problem at TW where we have a lot of consumers who watch TV..." He could just as easily said "we have a lot of posters on our online forum"
Hyper G was designed for Elite Juniors and players who generate the RHS to benefit from it. 90+% of tennis players will never have the RHS that gives any benefit from Hyper G, despite their inaccurate self-reflection.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
I agree with you about that which is why I qualified my question to advanced juniors and college players. In most cases they are harder on their string than advanced adult players.
I for one would never go near Hyper G... or 4G... or RPM. In fact, other than VCT at low tension (I have seen your posts) I really don't think there is a poly suitable for me at my age (old... getting older) and level of play (bad... getting worse). I string VCT at low tension and replace it after 6-8 hours of play. Lately I have been using a lot of gut/poly hybrids and that is working even better for me but every once in a while I string up a set of VCT and enjoy it.
The reason I am asking the question about Hyper G guage is my son's coach and I would like to move my 17 year old son away from Lux 4G at around 53# in his blade 16x19 which he has used for the past 4 years. He really likes the control he gets from the string so convincing him to switch is taking some work. However, I think something (anything) softer would be a good idea as he transitions to college play and will give him the added benefit of a little more pop in what is currently a very control oriented setup and style of play.
He played in a tournament this weekend and played well with the 16L Hyper G and averaged about 4 sets per racquet before snapping it. I just wonder if he will get a bit more pop, spin, and playing time, with Hyper 16G.
Interesting so what specifically about the string makes it necessary to use a lot of RHS vs say another poly like RPM blast?Talk Tennis Podcast | Tennis Warehouse
35:49 of this podcast gives you a hint. Jonathon, TW's string guru is speaking and says "We have this problem at TW where we have a lot of consumers who watch TV..." He could just as easily said "we have a lot of posters on our online forum"
Hyper G was designed for Elite Juniors and players who generate the RHS to benefit from it. 90+% of tennis players will never have the RHS that gives any benefit from Hyper G, despite their inaccurate self-reflection.
So which string would you choose instead? I tried a bunch but none came close.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
More spin and playing time = Yes.
Also better control.
He could also try Confidential 16g.
g4driver
Legend
I never wrote RPM Blast doesn't require a lot of RHS. That's part of the misconception about polys strings in particular. Listen to the entire podcast. I believe Tourbite was the 5th string Solinco released. In 2010, they only had Revolution, Outlast, Pro Stacked, and Vanquish. Enter Barbed Wire, Tourbite (and it's offspring), Hyper G, then Confidential.
Do you remember the first ATP pro to use Hyper G? It was Donald Young. Circa Spring 2014 Remember Jonathon's word from the TW podcast starting at 35:49. When TW's string guru makes a statement like that, perhaps people should listen.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
Thank you!
Ok I was interpreting your comments specific to Hyper G and that's what I was trying to understand, but it sounds like your comments are really in regards to all poly string.
AceyMan
Professional
That being said, I find it interesting that—for a while, at least—nearly every TW Racquet Review had Hyper-G installed.
I heard Michelle say, "... for this playtest we used Hyper-G strung up at fifty pounds" so much it rings in my head like a catchy pop song.
/Acey
I haven't been watching many racquet reviews lately: does the test team have a new favorite? I seem to recall Confidential being the string of choice at least a handful of times.
g4driver
Legend
Have you listened to the podcast? Those aren't my words, they are the words of TW's own string guru.
My comments aren't geared toward all polys. My comments are about stiff polys and players who don't have the RHS to benefit from them. There are hundreds of polys string that vary in stiffest. YPTA, VCT, Cream, and others don't require the RHS of Hyper G and others.
g4driver
Legend
Look the TW playtesters in those playtest. Without looking frames with Hyper G in them, I would expect to see players like Michelle, Troy, Erik, Chris, Mark and players who hit with that type of RHS playtesting frames with Hyper G. My game is closer to Jason's and I doubt you see him on that playtest as he like me has had TE in the past.
I listened to section of podcast you highlighted but didn’t really want to listen to whole thing. Ok so it sounds like Hyper G is particularly stiff- that’s what I was trying to get at
g4driver
Legend
Here's an easy way to tell if Hyper G or a stiff 1.25mm string like that is for you? Ask yourself if you honestly hit like Troy, Erik, Michelle, & Brittany? Those are the type players I string Hyper G for and see hitting effectively with it.
I have 5.0 friends who do well with Hyper G. Just be honest with yourself. You don't have to answer me or this message board. I don't generate that type RHS, and try to encourage players to pick a string more suited for their game, rather than one that matches their frame or makes them look cool. The guy I hit with last night uses Hyper G, and I strung his frames. He hits a heavy ball off both wings, but then again he is 6'5 and covers the court like a moving two-car garage. I hit with 4.5 players who don't hit as hard as him, so it isn't a level of play, but rather the RHS that allows these strings to work effectively.
When I look up the stiffness score it doesn't seem like it's that stiff of a string, the 17 gauge is getting a 195 score.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Imho, the best Cyclone for elite junior / college players is 16G Anthracite, the best Hyper-G is 16G.
However, while Cyclone seems to work best in a full bed, I've found that Hyper-G 16 works best in a hybrid with a round slick Poly that is of similar stiffness or slightly stiffer.
I think Hyper-G feels softer in a stiff racquet than Cyclone does. Hyper-G certainly seems to stretch a little more on my stringing machine than Cyclone does.
However, while Cyclone seems to work best in a full bed, I've found that Hyper-G 16 works best in a hybrid with a round slick Poly that is of similar stiffness or slightly stiffer.
I think Hyper-G feels softer in a stiff racquet than Cyclone does. Hyper-G certainly seems to stretch a little more on my stringing machine than Cyclone does.
AceyMan
Professional
for my money, not counting Julie (?MIA), Miss Michelle is the only one on the list who strikes me as possessing noteworthy ball speed.
And tho I just picked up a reel of the 1.20, I've only played Hyper-G for one week in a TW demo frame. I thought it was comfy and nicely dead. Maybe it was close to worn out, but it sure wasn't stiff or harsh.
As soon as I have an open test slot I'll string one of my reference sticks with a full bed and we'll see how my opinion changes.
/Acey
me= former 5.0 trying to get his act together again after a three decade layoff.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Imho, Hyper-G has a somewhat "plasticky" feel on the stringing machine and during play. I have never used the 1.20 but imagine the thinner gauges would feel even more plasticky and stiff than the 1.30 when strung at the same Ref. tensions. So keep that in mind when you test.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I like HyperG 18 and 19 crosses in hybrids with natural gut VS17 mains on a Pure Strike Tour (gen 3). In the past, I’ve tried hybrids with gut and RPM Blast 17 or Tour Bite 20 on a PST (gen 1) and thought they played stiffer than HyperG. I definitely preferred all the hybrids over full-bed gut due to the extra control and spin which lets me take bigger cuts at the ball. I cut out the strings after 15-20 hours as they start becoming uncomfortable after that and the control also becomes less predictable likely due to the poly going ‘dead’.
So, I don’t hit hard enough to break HyperG poly strings within 20 hours, but I hit with enough RH speed to prefer poly hybrids over full-bed gut - my winning % in matches with hybrids is much better than with full gut also. So, make of it what you will, but I don‘t think it is a black-and-white issue on which rec players should play with poly and which should not. Try it and stick with it if if helps you win more. But, please cut them out when they go dead which happens really fast.
So, I don’t hit hard enough to break HyperG poly strings within 20 hours, but I hit with enough RH speed to prefer poly hybrids over full-bed gut - my winning % in matches with hybrids is much better than with full gut also. So, make of it what you will, but I don‘t think it is a black-and-white issue on which rec players should play with poly and which should not. Try it and stick with it if if helps you win more. But, please cut them out when they go dead which happens really fast.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
I'm surprised the gut is lasting - i.e. you're not cutting through it in - 20 hours; I'm guessing you're hitting relatively flat but the poly is providing control? If it gives you confidence, so be it.
Sardines
Hall of Fame
I wish I could get 17g gut to last even 10 hrs. I'm lucky to get 5-7 hrs with slick poly crosses, and if I play heavy hitters, it's more like 3-5!
That said, I do agree that strings are personal, and if they aren't causing any pain etc, there's no harm in using polys even for beginner intermediates. Polys certainly allow advanced players to temper their power with added spin and lower power. I can't imagine enjoying high level tennis without polys since the mid 90s!
I play with Cyclone 18L/19g but only because I feel it dies before it snaps, and at 18L/19g lifespan is about the same as where the playability goes down to unacceptable levels. I've tried HyperG and I liked it, but liked the Cyclone a little more with a coated smooth cross. I certainly find the green of HyperG to be distractingly ugly aesthetically.
