Nadal Presser...worrying

Beckerserve

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So in his presser Rafa went into full Tsitsipas love and peace mode saying the final not that important as what matters is the show and takimg the less fortunate who are struggling in these times minds off their problems.
Personally i find that a bit soft and defeatist. Almost as if he expects to lose and is trying the perspective angle.
I would rather hear him be honest and say this match is massive. History is on the line. He said i am beatable and started a selfish tour. He was smug after AO 2019 final and i want this badly. I want revenge and i am going to take it right out of his rear end.
We know both will be thinking like that.
Djokovic seems more bullish and i think in the mind game war it is 1-0 Djokovic.
I therefore now have changed my mind and think Djokovic in 3 close sets winning 2 TBs.
 
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StrongRule

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What is bad about being humble? Yes, he doesn't want to put too much pressure. There is nothing wrong about it. He doesn't need extra pressure.

You think Ivanisevic's interview about Nadal having no chance is better? Maybe he is right, but it doesn't sound good.

I really wish Nadal's fans would all be like this. But unfortunately we have the likes of @Yugram who always hype him. His "tactic" is to disappear for a while after every loss, because he knows otherwise he will get bashed for his failed predictions.
 
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Beckerserve said:
So in his presser Rafa went into full Tsitsipas love and peace mode saying the final not that important as what matters is the show and takimg the less fortunate who are struggling in these times minds off their problems.
Personally i find that a bit soft and defeatist. Almost as if he expects to lose and is trying the perspective angle.
I would rather hear him be honest and say this match is massive. History is on the line. He said i am beatable and started a selfish tour. He was smug after AO 2019 final and i want this badly. I want revenge and i am going to take it right out of his rear end.
We know both will be thinking like that.
Djokovic seems more bullish and i think in the mind game war it is 1-0 Djokovic.
I therefore now have changed my mind and think Djokovic in 3 close sets winning 2 TBs.
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Nah. This is who Nadal is. He always downplays and deflects a big occasion and will happily call himself the underdog, even when he isn't. It's part of his humble nature, and it has never stopped him from winning.

If anything, Djokovic sounded surprisingly pessimistic about his chances in his presser. He was pointing out how often he lost to Rafa at RG, but hopes to take inspiration from his lone win against Nadal in 2015 (when everyone knows Nadal was at his very worst). The extreme confidence and belief in the words of his coach Goran that he can crush Nadal, do not seem to be there from Novak. He has serious demons with Rafa at RG, and isn't talking with his usual peppy self-belief. He sounds more like he's hoping Rafa sucks and he can pull of an upset.

I think being taken to 5 sets by Tsitsipas may have dented his confidence a bit that he could overwhelm Nadal this time around. Goran's motivational bits that Novak can easily destroy Nadal when he struggled so much with Tsitsipas seem a bit fanciful now. Probably to Djokovic as well.
 
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NoleFam said:
You're a Nadal fan and surprised by this? He always downplays the importance of matches like this but based on his results, he really doesn't mean it.
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Sounding like Tsitsipas though should be a no no. (As much as i want Nadal to get 20 and was rooting for Tsitsipas so rafa could get to no.20 breaking that BH down i am pleased Novak put that sulker back in his box!).
I have no issue if he had said, 'as novak said i am beatable and these conditions are made for him so my goal is be competitive try and keep respectable performance and find solution no'. It was the bringing up Covid that bugged me. Maybe because ive developed a damn dry cough!!!
 
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octogon said:
Nah. This is who Nadal is. He always downplays and deflects a big occasion and will happily call himself the underdog, even when he isn't. It's part of his humble nature, and it has never stopped him from winning.

If anything, Djokovic sounded surprisingly pessimistic about his chances in his presser. He was pointing out how often he lost to Rafa at RG, but hopes to take inspiration from his lone win against Nadal in 2015 (when everyone knows Nadal was at his very worst). The extreme confidence and belief in the words of his coach Goran that he can crush Nadal, do not seem to be there from Novak. He has serious demons with Rafa at RG, and isn't talking with his usual peppy self-belief. He sounds more like he's hoping Rafa sucks and he can pull of an upset.

I think being taken to 5 sets by Tsitsipas may have dented his confidence a bit that he could overwhelm Nadal this time around.
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No idea how today went 5 sets tbh. All Nole had to do was go to his BH every time. He would eventually miss.
 
TennisFan3

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Beckerserve said:
So in his presser Rafa went into full Tsitsipas love and peace mode saying the final not that important as what matters is the show and takimg the less fortunate who are struggling in these times minds off their problems.
Personally i find that a bit soft and defeatist. Almost as if he expects to lose and is trying the perspective angle.
I would rather hear him be honest and say this match is massive. History is on the line. He said i am beatable and started a selfish tour. He was smug after AO 2019 final and i want this badly. I want revenge and i am going to take it right out of his rear end.
We know both will be thinking like that.
Djokovic seems more bullish and i think in the mind game war it is 1-0 Djokovic.
I therefore now have changed my mind and think Djokovic in 3 close sets winning 2 TBs.
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Nadal knows that he is not playing at a level to compete with Djokovic.
He said being in the final is a great achievement. I think he's happy with the runner up.
Would you blame him? 19 slams, Millions of dollars,. custom made yatch, an estate, and a beautiful wife. Who cares if he doesn't win another F.O?
 
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Djokovic will never beat Nadal on clay ever again.
Nadal knows it, Djokovic knows it.
Only the OP doesn't know it....
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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StrongRule said:
What is bad about being humble? Yes, he doesn't want to put too much pressure. There is nothing wrong about it. He doesn't need extra pressure.

You think Ivanisevic's interview about Nadal having no chance is better? Maybe he is right, but it doesn't sound good.

I really wish Nadal's fans would all be like this. But unfortunately we have the likes of @Yugram who always hype him. His "tactic" is to disappear for a while after every loss, because he knows otherwise he will get bashed for his failed predictions.
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Yeah to be fair this is nothing new for Nadal. He always plays the underdog role even though he’s won this tournament an insane 12 times and never lost a final.
 
Beckerserve

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TennisFan3 said:
Nadal knows that he is not playing at a level to compete with Djokovic.
He said being in the final is a great achievement. I think he's happy with the runner up.
Would you blame him? 19 slams, Millions of dollars,. custom made yatch, an estate, and a beautiful wife. Who cares if he doesn't win another F.O?
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Well, im sure he will get over a loss after a day or too seeing his wife in the shower on his yacht. Djokovic will also get over it the moment he sees his son.
So yes perspective is there, just personally i think a bit of needle not a bad thing. Then again ive no idea how they are off court . Their relationship probably not as intense as the fan wars.
 
catskillthunder

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Nadal could quite honestly be the most humble player on tour. He consistently gives players credit after he loses matches or even wins.
 
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That's what we call a political answer, it doesn't have any importance.
 
topher

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NoleFam said:
You're a Nadal fan and surprised by this? He always downplays the importance of matches like this but based on his results, he really doesn't mean it.
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I think he does mean it, but not in the way it’s being taken. Rafa is not saying this match isn’t important to him, but in the grand scheme of things this match is just a tennis match and the outcome will not mean anything to the billions less fortunate than him.

That said, I can’t find the press conference video with Rafa saying this. The 8 minute one in English didn’t have it.
 
NoleFam

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topher said:
I think he does mean it, but not in the way it’s being taken. Rafa is not saying this match isn’t important to him, but in the grand scheme of things this match is just a tennis match and the outcome will not mean anything to the billions less fortunate than him.

That said, I can’t find the press conference video with Rafa saying this. The 8 minute one in English didn’t have it.
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Yes that may be true but not what he is thinking and feeling as far as this match that is coming Sunday imo. This is vintage Rafa where he tries to take the pressure off.
 
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Beckerserve said:
Not sure if you are a guy or girl but if a girl i could do with marrying you with optimism like that. Fighting talk. Love it.
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Well the gap between Nadal and Djokovic on clay has never been greater.
Nadal won their last 3 clay meetings, 2 of which were in straight sets, and the 3rd was 60 46 61 and that is the only bagel ever recorded in a match between Nadal and Djokovic.
Will Djokovic do any better on Sunday? Not according to what we just saw in the Semis.
 
topher

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NoleFam said:
Yes that may be true but not what he is thinking and feeling as far as this match that is coming Sunday imo. This is vintage Rafa where he tries to take the pressure off.
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Rafa just saying what he is thinking. Perhaps interviewer said a hyperbolic word like “massive”. If Rafa said his achievements were “massive” his family, Uncle Toni in particular, would probably tell him to come off his high horse and remind him of the bigger perspective.

It’s just how he was raised to think, not some tactic to take pressure off. The perspective will not make Rafa any more relaxed or without pressure when playing tomorrow, but it does keep his head level if he wins or loses.
 
NoleFam

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topher said:
Rafa just saying what he is thinking. Perhaps interviewer said a hyperbolic word like “massive”. If Rafa said his achievements were “massive” his family, Uncle Toni in particular, would probably tell him to come off his high horse and remind him of the bigger perspective.

It’s just how he was raised to think, not some tactic to take pressure off. The perspective will not make Rafa any more relaxed or without pressure when playing tomorrow, but it does keep his head level if he wins or loses.
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I respect your opinion and point of view but I see it differently.
 
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What Nadal or Djokovic say at their presser is unimportant. The way they reply only reveals their character.

I don’t think either of them lose their mind before the match starts. But for both Nadal and Djokovic, the Sunday match is their greatest challenge which they have to overcome.

Unpredictable match.
 
topher

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NoleFam said:
I respect your opinion and point of view but I see it differently.
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Fair enough. There’s a lot of projecting on here, people want players to do and say what they want, but ignore their perspective.

Same with Novak’s injuries. Opposing fans see him hurting and deep down hoping it’s something serious enough to make him lose. When it’s not and he recovers to win, they assume because it wasn’t the injury they wanted then it was all fake. It’s yes/no to them, but not all pains/injuries are that serious.

Same here. Rafa doesn’t say what people feel like he should say, so they assume he’s not being genuine or lying and playing some game.
 
NoleFam

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topher said:
Fair enough. There’s a lot of projecting on here, people want players to do and say what they want, but ignore their perspective.

Same with Novak’s injuries. Opposing fans see him hurting and deep down hoping it’s something serious enough to make him lose. When it’s not and he recovers to win, they assume because it wasn’t the injury they wanted then it was all fake. It’s yes/no to them, but not all pains/injuries are that serious.

Same here. Rafa doesn’t say what people feel like he should say, so they assume he’s not being genuine or lying and playing some game.
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Good points all the way around. I don't think Rafa is lying btw. I think he means what he is saying about there being things more important than tennis but believe he will give it his all Sunday, because it's RG and he's Rafa.
 
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Beckerserve said:
So in his presser Rafa went into full Tsitsipas love and peace mode saying the final not that important as what matters is the show and takimg the less fortunate who are struggling in these times minds off their problems.
Personally i find that a bit soft and defeatist. Almost as if he expects to lose and is trying the perspective angle.
I would rather hear him be honest and say this match is massive. History is on the line. He said i am beatable and started a selfish tour. He was smug after AO 2019 final and i want this badly. I want revenge and i am going to take it right out of his rear end.
We know both will be thinking like that.
Djokovic seems more bullish and i think in the mind game war it is 1-0 Djokovic.
I therefore now have changed my mind and think Djokovic in 3 close sets winning 2 TBs.
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Have you been in a Cave for how long ?
Rafa always say those silly things since time immemorial
 
megamind

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He will have to play berry good tennis to have chance against Novak, no? Very difficult match will be. Novak is ombillibable player
 
jm1980

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Beckerserve said:
So in his presser Rafa went into full Tsitsipas love and peace mode saying the final not that important as what matters is the show and takimg the less fortunate who are struggling in these times minds off their problems.
Personally i find that a bit soft and defeatist. Almost as if he expects to lose and is trying the perspective angle.
I would rather hear him be honest and say this match is massive. History is on the line. He said i am beatable and started a selfish tour. He was smug after AO 2019 final and i want this badly. I want revenge and i am going to take it right out of his rear end.
We know both will be thinking like that.
Djokovic seems more bullish and i think in the mind game war it is 1-0 Djokovic.
I therefore now have changed my mind and think Djokovic in 3 close sets winning 2 TBs.
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Didn't you say Nadal had already won the mind game war against Djokovic?
 
Beckerserve

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jm1980 said:
Didn't you say Nadal had already won the mind game war against Djokovic?
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Yes until the presser!! Although in fairness since i posted i have seen Europe is having a nightmare of new cases so it may well be both Nadal and Djokovic put on a great spectacle as they keep it all in perspective. At the time of my post i was not aware how bad things were again.
I doubt France is that bothered about a tennis tournament given whats happening. Or Spain for that matter.
 
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