Better year 2007 or 2015?

Better year 2007 or 2015?

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abmk

abmk

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The Guru said:
It's more or less equal but I give 07 a slight edge. It really should be talked about more how great Nadal is in a vacuum vs how good his matchup with Fed makes him look. Regardless, taking Federer 5 on grass is impressive to say the least but a lot of that is due to matchup and not just Nadal's strength as a competitor in a vacuum. Either way I think anyone with a shred of objectivity doesn't draw the line from 08-13 for the golden years. It's clearly 07-15 with 08/11/12 being a step above the rest and 2010 being the exception as a meh year.
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09 > 12 better than any other years firstly.
Secondly, 14-15 golden years?

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RS

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Federer 2009 competition vs Djokovic 2012 competition in slams
Nadal AO 09 final 9.25/10 > Nadal AO 12 final 9/10
Nadal RG 12 final 9.5/10 to 10/10 > Del Potro RG 09 SF 9/10
Roddick Wim 09 final 9/10 ~ Federer Wim 12 SF 9/10
Del Potro USO 09 final 8.5/10 > Murray USO 12 final 7.5/10

Djokovic falls short but both amazing years for both
 
mike danny

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The Guru said:
I really shouldn't waste my time with you but you thinking admitting 06<11/12/13 (the most obvious **** ever) makes you even remotely objective is just hilarious I couldn't help myself. Then you followed up with 09>12 roflmao. You're quite the character.
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Actually the bolded could be interesting if we break it down big event by big event:

AO: slight edge to 2012, due to the better 5th set in the final, but the Nadasco SF > Murrovic SF. Also Fedal SF better than any other match at the 2009 edition, so I guess edge to 2012.

FO: tough call to make because Nadal was on fire in 2012, but Soderling and Delpo played great in 2009.

Wimb: tough call to make because nobody played as well as 2009 Roddick in 2012.

USO: slight edge to 2009. Delpo's run > Murray's IMO.

IW: 2012
Miami: equal
MC-Madrid-Rome: 2009
Canada: 2009
Cincy: 2009
Shanghai: 2012 due to the final, but Davydenko's run was sublime
Paris: 2009
WTF: 2009, IMO
 
abmk

abmk

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The Guru said:
I really shouldn't waste my time with you but you thinking admitting 06<11/12/13 (the most obvious **** ever) makes you even remotely objective is just hilarious I couldn't help myself. Then you followed up with 09>12 roflmao. You're quite the character.
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Did you get your 5th grade math lesson yet, The Hack?
twice you got the stats regarding Fed unreturned serves in Wim 09 final wrong (one time after being corrected)

and yes, 09 > 12. Many players playing very good to better tennis at more than one stage - Fed, nadal, delpo, djoko, Murray, soderling, davydenko, roddick, verdasco.
12 was more consistent top 4 wise, but falls down after that. (also to be noted Nadal absent after 2012 Wim). 2009 YEC was probably the most competitive YEC of this century.
Keep rofling though, who knows it might make your hackiness a little less (laughter helps)

That 2007 is considerably better than 2015 is also the most obvious for those who have a clue. (and what I said was partly bait)

14, 15 golden years? The Hack(TM)?
bwhaha ha ha
 
The Guru

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abmk said:
Did you get your 5th grade math lesson yet, The Hack?
twice you got the stats regarding Fed unreturned serves in Wim 09 final wrong (one time after being corrected)

and yes, 09 > 12. Many players playing very good to better tennis at more than one stage - Fed, nadal, delpo, djoko, Murray, soderling, davydenko, roddick, verdasco.
12 was more consistent top 4 wise, but falls down after that. (also to be noted Nadal absent after 2012 Wim). 2009 YEC was probably the most competitive YEC of this century.
Keep rofling though, who knows it might make your hackiness a little less (laughter helps)

That 2007 is considerably better than 2015 is also the most obvious for those who have a clue. (and what I said was partly bait)

14, 15 golden years? The Hack(TM)?
bwhaha ha ha
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Lol you were the one who was wrong lmfao you counted DFs as unreturned serves by the server lmfao. As far as tennis goes I have no interest in talking to you anymore as you're neither interesting nor respectful nor in touch with reality so there's no point.
 
abmk

abmk

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mike danny said:
Actually the bolded could be interesting if we break it down big event by big event:

AO: slight edge to 2012, due to the better 5th set in the final, but the Nadasco SF > Murrovic SF. Also Fedal SF better than any other match at the 2009 edition, so I guess edge to 2012.

FO: tough call to make because Nadal was on fire in 2012, but Soderling and Delpo played great in 2009.

Wimb: tough call to make because nobody played as well as 2009 Roddick in 2012.

USO: slight edge to 2009. Delpo's run > Murray's IMO.

IW: 2012
Miami: equal
MC-Madrid-Rome: 2009
Canada: 2009
Cincy: 2009
Shanghai: 2012 due to the final, but Davydenko's run was sublime
Paris: 2009
WTF: 2009, IMO
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AO : 12 : fed-nadal semi shades it for 12
RG: 09. Fed, soderling, delpo, nadal, gonzalez....only real factors in 12 were nadal, djoko, tsonga
Wim: final gives the edge to 09
USO: 2009 clearly (fed, delpo, djokovic, cilic, nadal, soderling) as opposed to (djokovic, murray, berdych, ferrer, fed,delpo)

YEC : 09 clearly.

can't be bothered to go into the masters as of now.
 
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Cashman

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This is like asking who the better band is between Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. There’s probably an answer, but who cares?
 
abmk

abmk

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The Guru said:
Lol you were the one who was wrong lmfao you counted DFs as unreturned serves by the server lmfao. As far as tennis goes I have no interest in talking to you anymore as you're neither interesting nor respectful nor in touch with reality so there's no point.
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I didn't count DFs as unreturned serves by the server, The Hack.
I higlighted the relevant portions.

Roddick return breakdown

Total service points from federer= 197
# of first serves faced by Roddick = 128
# of 2nd serves faced by Roddick = 65
# of DFs from fed = 4
# of serves of federer that Roddick had to return = 193
# of serves in play = 104

# of serves unreturned by Roddick = 193-104 = 89
Total # of serves by Federer = 197

Therefore Federer's serves unreturned by Roddick = 89/197 = 45.18%

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I'm supposed to respect you when you are so biased and can't get something right after being told twice?
 
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BackhandDTL

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mike danny said:
USO 2007 > USO 2013 quite easily. Fed's draw was much tougher than Nadal's and beat tougher opponents overall.
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No it wasn’t though.

Fed and Ned had one tough early round opponent - Feli and Kohli respectively. Both who were tough for early round opponents in form

Roddick threw the kitchen sink but his kitchen sink wasn’t very big. Same old washed forehand BS and approached the net without enough pressure. Fed was elite but Roddick did the same crap he always did post 04. Robredo wasn’t good but it was so hard to tell what form he was really in since he couldn’t even get his racket on the balls that were spinning him out of the stadium.

Davydenko + Roddick > Robredo, Gasquet but it’s not far. Both groups of guys were fodder anyways for in form Fedal.

USO 2013 Djo > USO 2007 Djo. Djo played a higher level in two of his best sets at USO 2013 F. Lower level in the first and last compared to USO 2007. Still he showed balls for two sets and won the big points in those sets, unlike in 2007 where he couldn’t convert any big points

So I think it’s about even. You could argue slightly either way but I don’t think there’s much of a difference
 
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RS

RS

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Roddick of Wim 09 shows how far the serve can really take you on grass. Probably as good or better than any Murray on grass in that final despite his considerably lesser ground game and return.
 
mike danny

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RS said:
Roddick of Wim 09 shows how far the serve can really take you on grass. Probably as good or better than any Murray on grass in that final despite his considerably lesser ground game and return.
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If Djokovic had Roddick's serve, he'd be unbeatable.
 
abmk

abmk

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BackhandDTL said:
No it wasn’t though.

Fed and Ned had one tough early round opponent - Feli and Kohli respectively. Both who were tough for early round opponents in form

Roddick threw the kitchen sink but his kitchen sink wasn’t very big. Same old washed forehand BS and approached the net without enough pressure. Fed was elite but Roddick did the same crap he always did post 04. Robredo wasn’t good but it was so hard to tell what form he was really in since he couldn’t even get his racket on the balls that were spinning him out of the stadium.

Davydenko + Roddick > Robredo, Gasquet but it’s close

USO 2013 Djo > USO 2007 Djo

So I think it’s about even.
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hackboy.
Roddick hit his FH like he did in 03-04 in the USO 07 QF.
of course you wouldn't know seeing as you didn't watch or are set on a nonsense agenda. Roddick approached the net fine in this match.

at 2nd bold part: ROTFL.
davydenko alone was better than robredo&gasquet combined.

Roddick of USO 07 QF obviously significantly better than djoko of USO 13 final.

Djoko of USO 07 final more or less similar level. couldn't even keep the ball in play for 2 out 4 sets in USO 13 final. had the choke in 1st set in USO 07 final. higher highs for a while in in USO 13 final is what makes it similar level.

and LOL @ the comparision of lopez of USO 07 4R vs kohli in USO 13. Lopez was considerably better, not even close.
 
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mike danny

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BackhandDTL said:
No it wasn’t though.

Fed and Ned had one tough early round opponent - Feli and Kohli respectively. Both who were tough for early round opponents in form

Roddick threw the kitchen sink but his kitchen sink wasn’t very big. Same old washed forehand BS and approached the net without enough pressure. Fed was elite but Roddick did the same crap he always did post 04. Robredo wasn’t good but it was so hard to tell what form he was really in since he couldn’t even get his racket on the balls that were spinning him out of the stadium.

Davydenko + Roddick > Robredo, Gasquet but it’s close

USO 2013 Djo > USO 2007 Djo. Djo played a higher level in two of his best sets at USO 2013 F. Lower level in the first and last compared to USO 2007. Still he showed balls for two sets and won the big points in those sets, unlike in 2007 where he couldn’t convert any big points

So I think it’s about even.
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Disagree, but at least we're keeping this respectfully. So it's nice.

Roddick actually played his 2003-2004 power game in that 2007 USO match vs Fed. Roddick + Davydenko being better than Robredo and Gasquet isn't close though. There is a big difference in quality between the 2 pairs.

USO 2013 Djokovic > USO 2007 Djokovic, but not by much. 2007 Djokovic just got too tight on the big points. On the other hand, 2013 Djokovic played abysmal in sets 1 and 4.
 
RS

RS

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The Guru said:
I really shouldn't waste my time with you but you thinking admitting 06<11/12/13 (the most obvious **** ever) makes you even remotely objective is just hilarious I couldn't help myself. Then you followed up with 09>12 roflmao. You're quite the character.
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06 Federer and 06 Nadal are compare worthy to any top 2 in 11-13 and the depth was greater. Those years were better but it is closer than first glance.
 
NoleIsBoat

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I think the strongest years are clearly 2007 - 2015, with 2008, 2011, 2012 and 2015 being a level above the rest with at least 3 x big4 playing well in each of those years.

As for this topic, 2015 just about edges it for me. Has a clearly stronger number 1 and 3, and rest of top 10. 2007 has a stronger number 2 (Nadal>Murray) and 9 (Nalbandian > Gasquet) but that's it. 2015 set record for top 5 / 10 ATP points o_O and should be grouped with 08, 11, 12 as the strongest years of open era.
 
The Guru

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mike danny said:
Actually the bolded could be interesting if we break it down big event by big event:

AO: slight edge to 2012, due to the better 5th set in the final, but the Nadasco SF > Murrovic SF. Also Fedal SF better than any other match at the 2009 edition, so I guess edge to 2012.

FO: tough call to make because Nadal was on fire in 2012, but Soderling and Delpo played great in 2009.

Wimb: tough call to make because nobody played as well as 2009 Roddick in 2012.

USO: slight edge to 2009. Delpo's run > Murray's IMO.

IW: 2012
Miami: equal
MC-Madrid-Rome: 2009
Canada: 2009
Cincy: 2009
Shanghai: 2012 due to the final, but Davydenko's run was sublime
Paris: 2009
WTF: 2009, IMO
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Sometimes you seem moderate and sometimes you say stuff like this
 
RS

RS

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NoleIsBoat said:
I think the strongest years are clearly 2007 - 2015, with 2008, 2011, 2012 and 2015 being a level above the rest with at least 3 x big4 playing well in each of those years.

As for this topic, 2015 just about edges it for me. Has a clearly stronger number 1 and 3, and rest of top 10. 2007 has a stronger number 2 (Nadal>Murray) and 9 (Nalbandian > Gasquet) but that's it. 2015 set record for top 5 / 10 ATP points o_O and should be grouped with 08, 11, 12 as the strongest years of open era.
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Love the way you do not believe any of this stuff.
 
Red Rick

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RS said:
What about in slams?
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Think AO and USO are 2015>2007. Wimbledon bout the same. RG is 2007 >>2015, but it's so Nadal based.

I'm pretty sure outside the Slams 2015 >> 2007 so I'll probably give it a slight nudge.

In my opinion most of this "debate"is gonna be one of the "how good or bad was 2015 Fed really"
 
mike danny

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Red Rick said:
Think AO and USO are 2015>2007. Wimbledon bout the same. RG is 2007 >>2015, but it's so Nadal based.

I'm pretty sure outside the Slams 2015 >> 2007 so I'll probably give it a slight nudge.

In my opinion most of this "debate"is gonna be one of the "how good or bad was 2015 Fed really"
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Don't think the USO was better in 2015 honestly. Fed's path was clearly tougher in 2007 than Novak's in 2015.

Also, don't think 2015 Wimb final Fed who dropped his level after 2 sets is on the same level as 2007 Nadal.
 
RS

RS

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Red Rick said:
Think AO and USO are 2015>2007. Wimbledon bout the same. RG is 2007 >>2015, but it's so Nadal based.

I'm pretty sure outside the Slams 2015 >> 2007 so I'll probably give it a slight nudge.

In my opinion most of this "debate"is gonna be one of the "how good or bad was 2015 Fed really"
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Most of it has left out 2015 Fed which is a shocker.

Do you think 2015 Fed and Djoko combined at Wimbledon were better than 2007 Fed and 2007 Nadal ?
 
abmk

abmk

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Red Rick said:
Think AO and USO are 2015>2007. Wimbledon bout the same. RG is 2007 >>2015, but it's so Nadal based.

I'm pretty sure outside the Slams 2015 >> 2007 so I'll probably give it a slight nudge.

In my opinion most of this "debate"is gonna be one of the "how good or bad was 2015 Fed really"
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Fed USO 07 > Djokovic USO 15
Roddick USO 07 QF > Fed USO 15 final (you do remember roddick playing really well in the QF, right?)

then in 07, you had Djokovic, Davydenko, Lopez, Ferrer (also that Stepanek classic vs djoko)

in 15, Stan, Cilic who got injured, Lopez, Tsonga

obviously 07 USO is better.
 
Red Rick

Red Rick

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RS said:
Most of it has left out 2015 Fed which is a shocker.

Do you think 2015 Fed and Djoko combined at Wimbledon were better than 2007 Fed and 2007 Nadal ?
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No. But I don't think it's such a ZOMG difference for me to say 2007 is much better. Matchups too different as well. I rate Murray in the semi higher than Djokovic too.
 
RS

RS

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Red Rick said:
No. But I don't think it's such a ZOMG difference for me to say 2007 is much better. Matchups too different as well. I rate Murray in the semi higher than Djokovic too.
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That is fine. Murray played well in 2015 on grass he was unlucky to run into Fed playing like that.
 
Red Rick

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Matches played vs top 10

2015

RankCountryNameMatches Played
1 SRBNovak Djokovic36
2 GBRAndy Murray22
3 SUIRoger Federer21
4 ESPRafael Nadal18
5 SUIStan Wawrinka17
5 CZETomas Berdych17
7 JPNKei Nishikori16
8 USAJohn Isner15
8 FRARichard Gasquet15
10 ESPDavid Ferrer14

2007

RankCountryNameMatches Played
1 SUIRoger Federer21
2 ESPRafael Nadal18
3 ESPDavid Ferrer16
3 SRBNovak Djokovic16
5 RUSMikhail Youzhny13
6 USAAndy Roddick12
6 CZERadek Stepanek12
6 FRARichard Gasquet12
9 GBRAndy Murray11
9 RUSIgor Andreev11
9 CYPMarcos Baghdatis11
 
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