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What is the game plan exactly? What do you attack? There is no exploitable weakness that lasts longer than a point or two. Seriously, how does one beat him anymore?
Not exactly though.I said that a couple days ago lol
Not exactly though.
Once Z started actually attacking in the 4th set, Novak looked subpar, God knows why Z went for playing ping pong in the 5th when he was actually blowing away Djokovic in the 4th.
Present Djokovic is outstanding, but he is not facing quality attack. Shapo actually outplayed his in 2 sets at WB and he looked jarred at times.
What is the game plan exactly? What do you attack? There is no exploitable weakness that lasts longer than a point or two. Seriously, how does one beat him anymore?
TTW goes about peak this and prime that. But the reality is Novak IS playing the BEST Tennis of his life.
He is HARDER to beat than EVER.
He has improved his SERVE (drastically), forehand, drop shots, net play, variety etc. There are no holes in his game. You beat him one way - he will get you a different way.
Plus his mental strength and will to win is superhuman.
Everyone would struggle against this Novak. Nadal and Fed included.
So true. He looks subpar for one set in 3 or in two for 5, but what he does in the other sets you just have to see to believe. Nadal was always the same on clay when he was not at his peak but still winning there. That's what makes tennis nearly unique. In a 5 set match you can play like crap in two of them and still win. Guys like the top players know that, and they pace themselves. The younger players need to learn from that and play the long game.Djokovic always looks subpar lol I'm over it
Isn't Thiem 1-1 in 5 set matches, and with the win at RG at the time he was pretty close to peak? That's not what I would call "consistently" beating another player.2 players who could consistently beat him in big matches are old/injured in Wawrinka and Thiem
GOAT return - Fair enoughMac said Djoker is now one of the best clutch servers. Better than Fed. He held his own against Zed's great serve.
So look what you are dealing with when his serve is on:
GOAT return
GOAT backhand
GOAT forehand
GOAT serve
GOAT fitness and flexibility
GOAT mental game
Solid volleys and droppers
Decent to solid overhead.
Has lost speed with age but experience and improved serve offsets that.
Another stats over understanding post from a djokofanToday he won every point at the net.. and people said he can't play volleys
He’s one of the best at the net right now and that’s not an exaggeration.Today he won every point at the net.. and people said he can't play volleys
Today he won every point at the net.. and people said he can't play volleys
He had won 3 of his last 4 meetings against Djokovic.. Beaten him twice in a slam and has come the closest anyone has come to beating Djokovic in an Aus Open final. One of the few players who can overpower him amd go toe to toe other than Wawrinka. At 28 years and having won the USO last year he should have been at his near peak, instead he got injured and barely played this year.Isn't Thiem 1-1 in 5 set matches, and with the win at RG at the time he was pretty close to peak? That's not what I would call "consistently" beating another player.
Think Medvevev does have the legs to grind him but doesn't have the power of his groundies to consistently hit winnersNo one has the serve return combo like he does so you don’t get anything easy. He doesn’t have the same speed or the relentless grinding anymore but his improved serve, volleys and drops make up for a little bit. Either you play lights out tennis without missing like wawa does or grind him down without choking but none of the youngsters have the legs to grind down Novak yet.
Best thing is grab your opportunities when given. Had Zverev converted those 2 break points and 2 all in 3rd set the match could have been over in 4. In the 3rd set djokovic was not playing his best and was struggling.Novak has a great serve and return, so there’s no easy points. You have to consistently play high quality tennis and he’s the only one with that ability over 5 sets atm.
Brooksby showed a bit how slicing to Novak’s BH is still a good strategy to neutralize that weapon. His FH can be erratic this tournament, so you have to take advantage when that happens. But like Zverev in 2nd and 3rd set today, you can’t be on a mental walkabout when Novak is handing or trying to hand you free points. They won’t come often.
But onething medvedev does great is that he doesn't gives you the pace to redirect shots in a long rally. So if djokovic wants to close a rally he has to take risk and go for outright winners. Something he is not that good at.Think Medvevev does have the legs to grind him but doesn't have the power of his groundies to consistently hit winners
Always with the personal abuse.Truth. Beautiful net play from our Djoker. A rarity among players these days.
And the ninnyhammer babbling on about Edberg fails to understand that today's players have to deal with far more difficult passing shots as a result of modern equipment and strings. That is why players seldom come to the net.
Just look at Zed and Med hanging out at the back fence.
What is the game plan exactly? What do you attack? There is no exploitable weakness that lasts longer than a point or two. Seriously, how does one beat him anymore?
But onething medvedev does great is that he doesn't gives you the pace to redirect shots in a long rally. So if djokovic wants to close a rally he has to take risk and go for outright winners. Something he is not that good at.
Yup medvedev is too passive and his serve can’t carry him through the match against Novak but unlike AO this time it’s gonna be a slugfestThink Medvevev does have the legs to grind him but doesn't have the power of his groundies to consistently hit winners
OkA younger ATG would have subdued Novak and sent him home in 4 tight sets
Lol his avg ground strokes all below 80 Mph. I have never seen him hit 80 winners in a match. This year he barely crossed 50 in a long 5 setter with tsitsi.You're kidding? Tell that to NG'rs out there pounding the ball as Nole retrieves and many times returns the ball with interest knocking them off their feet!
If only a healthy thiem was in the draw.What is the game plan exactly? What do you attack? There is no exploitable weakness that lasts longer than a point or two. Seriously, how does one beat him anymore?
Not exactly though.
Once Z started actually attacking in the 4th set, Novak looked subpar, God knows why Z went for playing ping pong in the 5th when he was actually blowing away Djokovic in the 4th.
Present Djokovic is outstanding, but he is not facing quality attack. Shapo actually outplayed his in 2 sets at WB and he looked jarred at times.
No taking away credits from novak but this is as weak of an era as it can be.Many players have outplayed Novak in spurts; esp. when you hear about him coming back from 0-2 down in multiple matches at the FO this year! It's been said, Novak hasn't really been that good all year, that his winning is more about a weak era (which is BS)! But the thing is, he FINDS A WAY! His Wimbledon victory wasn't ever in question; esp. when Fedal didn't show up (wimps)! Novak's saving grace has been BO5 because most players can't keep up that high a level of tennis for 3-4 hours!
He's definitely not harder to beat than ever. He just knows there's never been people less capable.
TTW goes about peak this and prime that. But the reality is Novak IS playing the BEST Tennis of his life.
He is HARDER to beat than EVER.
He has improved his SERVE (drastically), forehand, drop shots, net play, variety etc. There are no holes in his game. You beat him one way - he will get you a different way.
Plus his mental strength and will to win is superhuman.
Everyone would struggle against this Novak. Nadal and Fed included.
The only way to beat Novak is to go full attack mode like Zverev did at the olympics. For this to happen, the opponent needs to be careless about winning or losing. Zverev yesterday cared too much. He was being too careful. Medvedev is capable of both states of mind. Novak is not unbeatable. His opponents are beating themselves.
Most try to beat him by "outrallying" which is futile unless he's below par. Mixing up play is very effective. You need to have a big serve, big forehand, effective slice and a quality net game. I can't think of any nextgen player that has all of them ticked. Slice troubles him a lot as Dan Evans showed.What is the game plan exactly? What do you attack? There is no exploitable weakness that lasts longer than a point or two. Seriously, how does one beat him anymore?
No. You are making it sound like that they and they alone are the reasons they are losing and would win the match otherwise. Djokovic makes you feel his presence on the court, and no player is more mentally stronger and more clutch. Zverev himself said after the match that the only player he would not want to play in tight moments is Djokovic because of his mental strength.
So this proves that Zverev is a weak willed pansy as far as his mentality goes.
If it was young Novak in his place then young Novak would have maybe tried to play his own mindgames with Old Novak or he would just be silent and focus on court
This guy Zverev in the back of his mind considers Novak superior, that is why he has to mention that he doesn't wanna play Novak, this is a sign of a weakling which he exhibited.
Yes and no. Both Zverev and Medvedev are capable of beating him if they play well. And certainly he’s very difficult to beat in the same time. You make it sound as if he’s unbeatable, which is not true.No. You are making it sound like that they and they alone are the reasons they are losing and would win the match otherwise. Djokovic makes you feel his presence on the court, and no player is more mentally stronger and more clutch. Zverev himself said after the match that the only player he would not want to play in tight moments is Djokovic because of his mental strength.
Nerves take away the ability to think rationally. He probably had the mindset of not going for too much, afraid of making errrors. He paid for that lack of confidence and not following the game plan with the 1st break, then choked and that was all she wrote.Not exactly though.
Once Z started actually attacking in the 4th set, Novak looked subpar, God knows why Z went for playing ping pong in the 5th when he was actually blowing away Djokovic in the 4th.
Present Djokovic is outstanding, but he is not facing quality attack. Shapo actually outplayed his in 2 sets at WB and he looked jarred at times.
He can crush the ball as he has done before. He was just too scared of losing/over hitting.I didn't watch the match as I'm in the UK - match starts well past midnight. But you could see from that 53 rally point. That's just stupid. Zv is not as fit as Novak. He should've mixed up play by slicing or coming to the net or attacking a short ball. Kudos to him for 5 sets and 53 shot rally but you've got to beat him with a different tactic.
Can he slice and play more attacking though? I doubt it.
In the tight moments, I think everyone considers Novak superior right now, Fedal included. They've all seen what he has done at the most crucial moments of some of the biggest matches time and time again and that does weigh on the mind. He is not alone in that boat.
Yes and no. Both Zverev and Medvedev are capable of beating him if they play well. And certainly he’s very difficult to beat in the same time. You make it sound as if he’s unbeatable, which is not true.