FedrMatt
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Oh, so not only they are "weak" but also pushers as well?
Yes!
You’re obviously watching a completely different tour. They also lack variety and consistency.
Oh, so not only they are "weak" but also pushers as well?
He hits more winners because they simply can't hit through him. The only guy who really can is 36 years old and done. The net play is a nice coup lately tho.The cumulative stats of this supposed "baseline pusher" in his first 6 matches:
Djokovic OpponentsWinners 263 200 Net approaches 194/1360 (14.3%) 149/1360 (11.0%) Net points 141/194 (72.7%) 84/149 (56.4%)
Very interesting "baseline pusher" who hits more winners than his opponents, comes to the net more often than his opponents, and wins more points at the net than his opponents.
People can say next gen sucks or whatever but the level Nole can still produce at 34 is insane
Yes, Novak is still playing great. That doesn't change the fact that the Failed Gen has been a monumental disappointment.
Could you tell me the levels of the players? It was too late for me.Watching it now. Zverev can't hit a forehand over the net. I mean absolutely ridiculous!
He is still boring to watch and it has nothing to do with the stats only style of play and it's all personal preference. Zverev is also boring so it made for a very boring match yesterday. Medvedev and Auger-Aliassime are exciting so that match was better despite the score. With Djokovic as I know how he plays for 15 years I am bored even before the match starts. I know he is good, I know Zverev is good, I know it was supposedly an epic match yesterday but no I was bored and couldn't even sit through the full match. Tonight I very much look forward to Fernandez Raducanu two off the charts exciting players.The cumulative stats of this supposed "baseline pusher" in his first 6 matches:
Djokovic OpponentsWinners 263 200 Net approaches 194/1360 (14.3%) 149/1360 (11.0%) Net points 141/194 (72.7%) 84/149 (56.4%)
Very interesting "baseline pusher" who hits more winners than his opponents, comes to the net more often than his opponents, and wins more points at the net than his opponents.
Mate, anyone who’s not a Novak fan can see how pathetic this is
35 year old is one win away from a CYGS. It’s a joke.
God the anti Novak haters are getting more desperate by the minute. We all know if it was their guy in Novak's position they would be saying it was the greatest feet in tennis historySuch an incredibly low bar for these guys haha
Tennis is a joke
How could it have been pathetic when it was so epic?Funny i don't remember Fed fans telling everyone how pathetic it was that at 36 he won 2 grand slams out of 3 entered in 2017. That was year when both Murray & Novak were struggling with injuries and the likes of Zverev, Med and Stefanos were nowhere near the players they are now.
The reason it is irksome is because it hasn't happened yet. Medvedev may win tomorrow and has a very good chance to do so. It's premature. We've all been wrong in our predictions at one time or another and we have all wanted someone to win so much that we can't contemplate that they may lose - I have been guilty of that from time to time. If Djokovic wins and he does so honestly then as much as I dislike him I will acknowledge that he has earned this USO but not before tomorrow when the match ends.God the anti Novak haters are getting more desperate by the minute. We all know if it was their guy in Novak's position they would be saying it was the greatest feet in tennis history
So Djokovic played really well. Could sustain long rallies, but did not win them all. If he could draw Zverev to the net, he could pretty much count on him missing. Very few balls at the net that Zverev did not hit wide or in the net. The serve was the excellent speed by AZ but some double faults. Novak serve placement was superb. Zverev can't sustain the momentum, from 4th to 5th. Nut casing a bit, but not as much as usual. Novak missed some shots by going for the lines. In the 5th Zverev a bit petulant, nothing new there.Could you tell me the levels of the players? It was too late for me.
The sad thing is those posters are the loudest.Sorry to be positive in this thread, but all objective media accounts have called it a brilliant and well played match - very high level, except for the opening of the 5th.
I hope that I am not too out of line by being balanced and positive - the journalists would agree. Beautiful and vibrant high quality stuff... Oh, there I go, being positive and balanced again...
Just a thought - to posters who constantly trash with glee a world class athlete, how well do you play?
A brilliant match - much brilliance that is hard to comprehend...
Are you suggesting it takes a certain level of play to appreciate the level of Djokovic?Sorry to be positive in this thread, but all objective media accounts have called it a brilliant and well played match - very high level, except for the opening of the 5th.
I hope that I am not too out of line by being balanced and positive - the journalists would agree. Beautiful and vibrant high quality stuff... Oh, there I go, being positive and balanced again...
Just a thought - to posters who constantly trash with glee a world class athlete, how well do you play?
A brilliant match - much brilliance that is hard to comprehend...
Plenty of Fed fans were saying 2017 was a weak era. Go back and read. We were very happy he won slams after a 5 year draught, but no Fed fans are claiming 2017 to be a particular strong yearFunny i don't remember Fed fans telling everyone how pathetic it was that at 36 he won 2 grand slams out of 3 entered in 2017. That was year when both Murray & Novak were struggling with injuries and the likes of Zverev, Med and Stefanos were nowhere near the players they are now.
Was just looking at Novak’s five-set record. Since the start of 2011, he’s gone 23-5. Fully half of his fifth-set losses came before Novak 2.0 (and even then he had a good 12-5 record).
Thank you. Could you compare this semi-final to the one Novak played against Rafa at RG? (Obviously Rafa was a bit injured but that's irrelevant). Novak had a lot of skills AND luck during that semi and Rafa choked. Was Novak's level higher or lower this time? Do you think he was in a beatable form?So Djokovic played really well. Could sustain long rallies, but did not win them all. If he could draw Zverev to the net, he could pretty much count on him missing. Very few balls at the net that Zverev did not hit wide or in the net. The serve was the excellent speed by AZ but some double faults. Novak serve placement was superb. Zverev can't sustain the momentum, from 4th to 5th. Nut casing a bit, but not as much as usual. Novak missed some shots by going for the lines. In the 5th Zverev a bit petulant, nothing new there.
Novak just seems to raise his level when needed. Incredible. Nothing bothers him, no bad language from Novak towards himself.
Zverev net game cost him a lot. Pathetic net game. Zverev seems to lack a tactical approach. If he doesn't win with the serve or with the immediate punch, he is likely to lose the point.
Zverev rarely seems to dictate long rallies with placement. Novak had ups and downs, think due to the power Zverev generates.
Are you suggesting it takes a certain level of play to appreciate the level of Djokovic?
I did not watch the RG match. Sorry.Thank you. Could you compare this semi-final to the one Novak played against Rafa at RG? (Obviously Rafa was a bit injured but that's irrelevant). Novak had a lot of skills AND luck during that semi and Rafa choked. Was Novak's level higher or lower this time? Do you think he was in a beatable form?
So again Zverev's lack of net game cost him. He's probably working on it for years but with no results.
And choking Zverev back again but not to the extremes of last year?
Novak's mental game is out of this world. I'm surprised it's not as great during the Bo3 though.
Also can you compare the stamina and running - fitness level of both?
Thank you for great assessment. Last question - do you think it was a great game overall or just above ordinary? Did Zverev fail or maybe it's close to his peak and that's exactly who he is as a player. I'm asking because I'm always going back to the semis vs Rafa - Big 3 vs Big 3. There was something electric during that game, everyone standing, cheering. Also the rivalry.. So it's still a match of the year for me and I compare the best matches to this one.
Pin this comment. But did anybody else get the impression from the post match interview that Joker might call it career if he wins the Grand Slam on Sunday? The way he said “I’m gonna play Sunday like it’s the last match of my career.”. The way he looked at Patrick McEnroe when he said it almost looked like he was hinting at something. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it would be one hell of a way to call it a career.
I actually find this good news because he loses when he is over-confident and tries too hard. Almost every major loss in his career has happened when he has wanted it too much and a few times he simply hasn't shown up for the match, particularly in some of his major matches with Rafa. (and before Djokovic fans jump all over me I am only referring to Djokovic's losses, I know that he sometimes has won in straight sets from time to time too).I don’t know why people are taking his words at face value. What it means is he’s going to basically die on that court to try and win. He doesn’t care if it’ll put him out of commission for months. Why would he retire? He has a chance to get #10 at AO. And he’s not going to leave it to chance for Rafa to tie or pass. Novak’s not going to retire until after Rafa does.
Agreed. He might play less but he won't Rafa equal his slam count (if Rafa wins RG)I don’t know why people are taking his words at face value. What it means is he’s going to basically die on that court to try and win. He doesn’t care if it’ll put him out of commission for months. Why would he retire? He has a chance to get #10 at AO. And he’s not going to leave it to chance for Rafa to tie or pass. Novak’s not going to retire until after Rafa does.
He was just spent mentally. But he's going against maybe the most impenetrable player of all time when it comes to that. I can't remember how many first sets he's lost and still ends up winning the match. There's no shame for Zverev when he can beat literally everyone else on tour but a guy that's a GOAT contender.Total points won:
Djokovic: 140
Zverev: 133
That indicates a very close match. Zverev's mental game harms him in fifth sets.
That GOAT might break him mentally. At least for some time. His good run ended. That's a fact. He needs to pick himself up. Not an easy task. The pressure.He was just spent mentally. But he's going against maybe the most impenetrable player of all time when it comes to that. I can't remember how many first sets he's lost and still ends up winning the match. There's no shame for Zverev when he can beat literally everyone else on tour but a guy that's a GOAT contender.
Really?We already have a Federer. Why do we need another one? We never got another Borg or Sampras either.
Thank you. Could you compare this semi-final to the one Novak played against Rafa at RG? (Obviously Rafa was a bit injured but that's irrelevant). Novak had a lot of skills AND luck during that semi and Rafa choked. Was Novak's level higher or lower this time? Do you think he was in a beatable form?
So again Zverev's lack of net game cost him. He's probably working on it for years but with no results.
And choking Zverev back again but not to the extremes of last year?
Novak's mental game is out of this world. I'm surprised it's not as great during the Bo3 though.
Also can you compare the stamina and running - fitness level of both?
Thank you for great assessment. Last question - do you think it was a great game overall or just above ordinary? Did Zverev fail or maybe it's close to his peak and that's exactly who he is as a player. I'm asking because I'm always going back to the semis vs Rafa - Big 3 vs Big 3. There was something electric during that game, everyone standing, cheering. Also the rivalry.. So it's still a match of the year for me and I compare the best matches to this one.
Yowzers, that was an extremely close match! It really came down to exactly what I feared from Zverev, his inability to keep his concentration with mental lapses happening at the wrong times (the fifth set!)Zverev did almost everything right, just needed to finish the 3rd Set more aggressively. He goes passive for periods which cost him, obviously the 5th Set. Overall a tremendous performance Zverev.
I never said Zverev did everything right.So did Zverev did everything or Novak form was better before (vs Nadal) so was beatable if Zverev didn't choke a bit?
And Djokovic has never been unbeatable, especially this year when he needed a 98 minute 3rd Set just to hit the lead vs. foot-injured-Nadal.....
Give it a rest will you.
Just like last night when Djokovic was outplayed, Nadal was outplayed at RG this year. Defeats can be tough to take, especially for immature fans, but they are part of the game.
It's been less than 24 hours and I've already gotten over Djokovic's defeat. Why are you still moaning/whining about a defeat 3 months ago?
If you're fit enoough to play, you're fit enough to take the glory when you win or the disappointment if you lose. He lost so take the disappointment like a civilised human.