base615
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Literally zero chance.
Straight answers: Why was Djoker denied?
- Thread starter Lleytonstation
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Literally zero chance.
Is it true if Djokovic is deported he'll be banned from Australia for three years?
No, that would have been the case if he'd overstayed or done something intentionally illegal. There's no finding against him here other than incorrect paperwork. He can reapply at any time.
The Fedfather
Legend
I guess they didn't just mean during the questioning process, but all the hours of Djokovic being detained. After the questioning he was probably allowed to use his phone.
He was at the airport for a long time before being moved to the hotel. He may not have been able to use his phone at all while at the airport.
bobleenov1963
Hall of Fame
As someone who live in the US, Australian politicians are a bunch of morons, and sadly, the same goes with US politicians too. We deserve the government we elected.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Don't be sad. That happens everywhere.
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Djoker was denied because he's healthy
Mustard
Bionic Poster
In Britain at the moment, we have an almost zombie government and a non-existent opposition.
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Aussie gov and Victoria are playing BS games over him. We don't know the truth
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Seems like everywhere around the Europe is like that. Australia and USA also
yes we do, the truth is he refused to follow the rules because he thinks they dont apply to him and is going to pay the price. Good riddance
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Like he would do it if he didn't got some kind of wink from Victoria and AO
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Cindysphinx
G.O.A.T.
No, it’s not weird.
He is not vaxed. With a slam on the line, he would surely tell everyone he is vaxed so he could play.
If he had a legitimate medical exemption, he could just say whatever it is. There’s a slam on the line.
So he’s not at all unusual. He doesn’t like the rules; he tried a workaround; he ran into the buzz saw that is Australian border patrol. Apparently, Australia isn’t dumb enough to hand out exemptions based on religion like the US.
He could get JJ tonight and wait 7 days. Think he’ll do that?
Me neither.
roger presley
Hall of Fame
We'll see about that
WYK
Hall of Fame
You should check out the loads of detritis running Ireland. I used to worry about the laws here....but eventually realised this place is barely held together by threads.
This American told a border guard he was married to an Irish woman. The agent said 'Well, you're Irish now. You've only yourself to blame...' and he let me through without even asking for my passport.
Nepotism, incompetence, corruption, greed, ignorance - these are all things required to get you in the door.
Our minister for health was once a man who had no 3rd tier education, and not even any experience in health care or administartion. This man, who dropped out of college, is now the Minister for Higher Education.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
So all the players they let in were ill.
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
Second part of the Prime Minister's press conference regarding Djokovic's visa rejection: (bonus Tennys Sandgren interview)
They will fix this. They are just trying to jet lag him into losing.
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Why some with same papers as Novak were not denied and he was? Paul Mcnamee said something about that
N01E
Hall of Fame
You anti - Djokovic people are insane. Not giving him an exception was done because of publicity and pressure. That was the only action that was taken after the public backlash which is simply proved by PM previous and current statements.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Kawasaki Kanagawa
Professional
Leader of authoritarian government criticized for listening to the overwhelming opinion of his constituents.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, right Bart?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
He gave his word that he would be bound by the Victorian exemption and he broke it the next day.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
This is a horrible, horrible ****show. Aussies who think this was justified don't seem to understand how confusing this makes the whole process of getting into Australia look. If the Federal Govt can overrule Victoria and deny a visa to Novak, they should have been involved in granting the permission too. I thought we in India have to deal with the confounding mess of multiple govt agencies but good to know Aus does too and such that they have just thrown the no. 1 player in the world under the bus.
Congratulations AO for ruining hard won goodwill. The way back up from this is exceedingly difficult.
Congratulations AO for ruining hard won goodwill. The way back up from this is exceedingly difficult.
AO and Vic gave him exemption and the PM backed it yesterday. Though how do we know if the PM and the border security had seen the evidence prior to today. It sounded more like PM had accepted the exemption on the condition that Djokovic could back it up which he can't.
Kawasaki Kanagawa
Professional
If you had to guess who in this story engaged in illegal behavior, who's your first candidate?
bertrevert
Legend
He said Vic Gov was entitled to make their decision re: visa and would abide. He did not speak on ABF. ABF separately made their decision when Dj presented at Tullarmarine. He abide that.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
No one has behaved illegally. Exemptions are possible, and they tried to invent an apolitical process for vetting them. Morrison tore that process to shreds.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Kawasaki Kanagawa
Professional
So what's your problem again?
An article outlining the farce that passed for a process that Djokovic went through trying to enter Australia. It asks the valid question of why was Djokovic issued with a visa when he not vaccine compliant to enter Australia? When you've been issued with a visa, that ordinarily means you can go to the country. That's the very purpose of the visa process....not having people fly across the world then be denied entry.
www.smh.com.au
Djokovic farce at airport the product of a chain of Australian failures
Why did Home Affairs grant Djokovic a visa in the first place?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
So Morrison's government may have illegally cancelled Djokovic's visa.
An article outlining the farce that passed for a process that Djokovic went through trying to enter Australia. It asks the valid question of why was Djokovic issued with a visa when he not vaccine compliant to enter Australia? When you've been issued with a visa, that ordinarily means you can go to the country. That's the very purpose of the visa process....not having people fly across the world then be denied entry.
Djokovic farce at airport the product of a chain of Australian failures
Why did Home Affairs grant Djokovic a visa in the first place?
That would be amusing: Djokovic right to play!
WYK
Hall of Fame
Some passports, like Serbian, require a visa before you can even board a plane for Australia. When you show up, you have to still prove to immigration that you have a right to be there. You have to show them your visa, and all documentation regarding it along with your passport and papers.
I know most Americans don't travel much abroad, so are not too fmailiar with border controls outside of North America. Immigrations officers can deny your entry based on what many may feel are fairly flimsy grounds. You have very few rights at the port of entry. Showing up with the wrong visa is a very common means of denial.
Though I am sure politics play into this as the outrage was huge(and this result may have been the 'plan' all along...), I also find it easy to believe Djokovic had no real evidence on his person to support his visa when he landed.
I know most Americans don't travel much abroad, so are not too fmailiar with border controls outside of North America. Immigrations officers can deny your entry based on what many may feel are fairly flimsy grounds. You have very few rights at the port of entry. Showing up with the wrong visa is a very common means of denial.
Though I am sure politics play into this as the outrage was huge(and this result may have been the 'plan' all along...), I also find it easy to believe Djokovic had no real evidence on his person to support his visa when he landed.
darthrafa
Hall of Fame
The root cause is djoker is unwiling to get the jab, not because of any medical grounds that showing he is NOT sutiable to get it. Then, unlucky that he should have been told that exemption will bt granted, so he has not considered other alternatives (e.g. getting the jab finally). The last straw on the camel's back is the rising number of cases, which makes the Aus gov't cannot grant the exemption in the last minute. You may say it is unfair to djoker but he shall not play if he cannot prove why he is unsuitable to get the jab in the first place.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The rising number of cases is due to Morrison casting aside all restrictions, so you can't blame Novak for that.
shadysawyer2021
New User
The real issue is the tall poppy syndrome that many aussies have ..thats why other unvaxed players were able to enter the country without any issues yet Djokovic is seen as a massive villain and even villains in real life who have criminal records and associations with religious extremist groups get free immigration and better treatment than Djokovic. Its ridiculous
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
I mean, if ScoMo really wants to live with covid, letting in ONE tennis player who already had covid (albeit in 2020) can't really do that much harm. He can't be the root cause of evil that he is being made out to be by some folks here. I don't agree with his views on vaccines or many other things and think he is a nutcase but I thought people were allowed to be a nutcase within reason (like, unless they go around gunning down people). Apparently not! "Your views by themselves can be dangerous to people" is now the operating principle of so-called liberal democracies.
Are departures in private jets subject to the same scrutiny? I would expect so but also find it perplexing how he was allowed to boardAn article outlining the farce that passed for a process that Djokovic went through trying to enter Australia. It asks the valid question of why was Djokovic issued with a visa when he not vaccine compliant to enter Australia? When you've been issued with a visa, that ordinarily means you can go to the country. That's the very purpose of the visa process....not having people fly across the world then be denied entry.
Djokovic farce at airport the product of a chain of Australian failures
Why did Home Affairs grant Djokovic a visa in the first place?
NonP
Legend
A responsible government has every right as well as the duty to demand that nobody but the immunocompromised enter its borders without proof of vaccination in the middle of a pandemic, and Novak deserves every bit of flack he's been catching since announcing his unearned exemption. That part shouldn't be controversial to any clear-thinking adult.
B-U-T receive the exemption he did, and none other than PM Morrison announced just the day before that he'd be abiding by the Victorian government's decision. Once you give your word you need to honor it, and certainly you don't try to take it back after the fact when the honoree has already hopped on his plane to your country expecting to get in without trouble.
Of course the easy retort is to say Djokovic has himself to blame for failing to file all the proper paperwork, but the ABF as has been reported has much leeway to apply discretion as it sees fit and, unless I'm mistaken, could've cleared Novak's visa on its own... barring significant pressure from the feds, especially Morrison.
So yes, this was a mostly political decision. I still blame Novak for getting himself into this mess and wish he'll come to see the error of his ways, but the big Aussies should issue a mea culpa both to Novak and to the public, offer to fly him back, and get on with the Open. Enough is enough.
B-U-T receive the exemption he did, and none other than PM Morrison announced just the day before that he'd be abiding by the Victorian government's decision. Once you give your word you need to honor it, and certainly you don't try to take it back after the fact when the honoree has already hopped on his plane to your country expecting to get in without trouble.
Of course the easy retort is to say Djokovic has himself to blame for failing to file all the proper paperwork, but the ABF as has been reported has much leeway to apply discretion as it sees fit and, unless I'm mistaken, could've cleared Novak's visa on its own... barring significant pressure from the feds, especially Morrison.
So yes, this was a mostly political decision. I still blame Novak for getting himself into this mess and wish he'll come to see the error of his ways, but the big Aussies should issue a mea culpa both to Novak and to the public, offer to fly him back, and get on with the Open. Enough is enough.
Purestriker
Legend
Depends on the country. FBO’s are subject to the same laws as generval aviation. Even if they pencil some general procedures (bag checks, etc.) their not violating the law.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Especially when the Australian PM has said it in the public domain. It would be political suicide to go back on that now.
darthrafa
Hall of Fame
i am not blaming djoker for that. I just pointed out that under this background, the Aus Govt opted to refuse granting exemption.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Not one quote from a current player. Odd.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Tennys Sandgren.
GhostDog
Hall of Fame
Good read. Lots of egg on the face of Tennis Australia.
www.smh.com.au
Letters from federal government cast doubt on Djokovic exemption
Health authorities told Tennis Australia boss Craig Tiley on two occasions in writing that people who were not vaccinated and had contracted COVID-19 in the past six months would not be granted quarantine-free travel to Australia.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
When people have been refused exemptions over and over again even on humanitarian grounds, this argument falls flat- why should they allow a foreign national to enter their country to hit a tennis ball? The backlash and outrage from the public was perfectly understandable. My cousin who is an Australian citizen couldn’t re-enter Australia for close to 2 years during the pandemic. She was stuck outside her home country. Such is the case for many Australians. The ‘can’t do much harm’ would have applied for each and every such case. Their country, their rules. How much we agree with them is not of importance here.
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Agree
Intensidad
Rookie
I mean...this is kind of how federal systems work? Why is it a surprise that a federal government's policies and enforcement, especially in the matter of entry into the country, supersede state-level actions? As an American, I don't expect the state of Pennsylvania, for instance (never mind the USTA), to have any say whatsoever in how Customs and Border Protection follows their own rules.
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