Could Murray be hitting his prime?

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Murray has been a consistent top five player since 2008, having made four major finals. He's finally broken through and beaten Djokovic (former #1 and current #2) for his first grand slam. Could Murray become #1? Could he be hitting his prime and is this only the start of something great?
 
Vcore89

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...or he's already hit prime 3-4 years running now? It is only a matter of holding his peak. How long he can hold his peak (for how long) will determine the total number of slams he collects. My two pence.
 
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Vcore89 said:
...or he's already hit prime 3-4 years running now? It is only a matter of holding his peak. How long he can hold his peak (for how long) will determine the total number of slams he collects. My two pence.
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I don't think winning one slam is the pinnacle of his career.
 
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Probably he'll win more and I hope so but the fact is, he is holding his peak for a couple of years now. How long can he hold before showing signs of diminishing returns?
 
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I always think Murray is hitting his peak when he plays so well... and then the next week he plays completely rubbish and loses to anyone. His main problem is consistency. He is at his peak. He just needs to be consistent.
 
WhiskeyEE

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Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.
 
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WhiskeyEE said:
Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.[/QUOTE]

Of course he was lucky - there's no other explanation for it. He's been lucky to beat Roger 9 times as well, and those 23 other titles, well - we all know how he got those - luck.

Yep - that Murray sure is a lucky guy. Look at the muppets he's played in slam finals for starters.

Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.
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Yeah, the wind was the reason he won the US Open...

His game came out on top after being tested under some of the harshest conditions, if anything it made the win even more impressive.
 
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batz said:
WhiskeyEE said:
Given his current age, this year was likely his prime.

Rafa's prime was age 21-24
Fed's prime was 23-25
Novak's prime was 24

Murray's 25 right now. I don't see how he could get any better, outside of maybe mental fortitude. Lets not forget that he was lucky to win the USO this year. Without the wind, he may have faced another straight set pounding.
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Of course he was lucky - there's no other explanation for it. He's been lucky to beat Roger 9 times as well, and those 23 other titles, well - we all know how he got those - luck.

Yep - that Murray sure is a lucky guy. Look at the muppets he's played in slam finals for starters.

Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.
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Indeed Murray is very lucky. At the OG, he was lucky that Fed had such a long and difficult SF against Del Potro and was completely drained for the final. A lucky chap, this Murray is.

btw, do me a favour and put me back on ignore. Not sure why you took me off.
 
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batz said:
Must've been really windy at the OG final to have given Roger his worst beatdown ever on centre court - must've been blowing a gale that day.
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When Murray had won the first two sets 6-2 and 6-1, I thought Murray had a great chance at breaking (or equalling) Nadal's record of beating Federer in a best of 5 match with the loss of only 4 games. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be, but it sets the tone for Wimbledon 2013 quite nicely.
 
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So was Federer lucky in this years Wimbledon final that there was a rain delay and the roof was closed?

There are some idiotic comments posted regarding player match ups.

Conditions are simply part of the game- it's how you cope.
 
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Clive Walker said:
So was Federer lucky in this years Wimbledon final that there was a rain delay and the roof was closed?

There are some idiotic comments posted regarding player match ups.

Conditions are simply part of the game- it's how you cope.
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No, he was lucky that Murray's a choke artist, which would've happened with or without the delay/roof.
 
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When Murray had won the first two sets 6-2 and 6-1, I thought Murray had a great chance at breaking (or equalling) Nadal's record of being Federer in a best of 5 match with the loss of only 4 games. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be, but it sets the tone for Wimbledon 2013 quite nicely.
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WhiskeyEE said:
No, he was lucky that Murray's a choke artist, which would've happened with or without the delay/roof.
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So Federer is lucky too eh. That's 3 of his slams that should have an asterisk next to them - any others?

You sure think tennis pros have a lot of luck dontcha
 
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WhiskeyEE said:
Indeed Murray is very lucky. At the OG, he was lucky that Fed had such a long and difficult SF against Del Potro and was completely drained for the final. A lucky chap, this Murray is.

btw, do me a favour and put me back on ignore. Not sure why you took me off.[/QUOTE]

I like reading your infantile, peurile posts and challenging them.
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As for the question posed, I hope Murray is hitting his prime.
If Rafa returns fit and rested then we may be in for some glorious battles among the top four.
 
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I'd agree with those saying Murray is in his prime at the moment. Although he's had the talent for the past few years, he has finally mentally matured enough to win Slams. Unfortunately for him he this has happened relatively late, so may not be able to dominate the sport like Nadal or Djokovic have done recently. Had he lost the US Open final, I'm sure everybody would be claiming he would never win a Slam because he's past his peak, getting too old etc. Yet now he can apparently win 6 or 7 Slams! Personally I feel Murray will end his career with 3 Grand Slams.
 
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I thought that he was already in his prime. He had so many wins over the top players already, just not on the big stage. He just needed a little outside help (Lendl as coach for example).
 
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UKTennis said:
I'd agree with those saying Murray is in his prime at the moment. Although he's had the talent for the past few years, he has finally mentally matured enough to win Slams. Unfortunately for him he this has happened relatively late, so may not be able to dominate the sport like Nadal or Djokovic have done recently. Had he lost the US Open final, I'm sure everybody would be claiming he would never win a Slam because he's past his peak, getting too old etc. Yet now he can apparently win 6 or 7 Slams! Personally I feel Murray will end his career with 3 Grand Slams.
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This. I think he can go up to 4 or 5 Slams, though. But probably no more than that.
 
Russeljones

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I don't think 'prime' is some sort of plateau limiting the player from improving before the inevitable 'decline'.
 
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Russeljones said:
I don't think 'prime' is some sort of plateau limiting the player from improving before the inevitable 'decline'.
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I think the 'physical prime' is a plateau (more a hill with a low slope culminating in a peak, IMO). But you can be at your best even past your physical prime if you reinvent your game enough and hit form, like Roddick did in W09.
 
tacou

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depends what you consider "prime." his level has increased as a result of confidence and smarter tactics, but his game hasn't actually changed all that much outside of a slowly improving serve.
 
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tacou said:
depends what you consider "prime." his level has increased as a result of confidence and smarter tactics, but his game hasn't actually changed all that much outside of a slowly improving serve.
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his game is fine he just needed the confidence and the mental strength
 
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WhiskeyEE said:
And yet you probably get banned more than the members you report.
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I think this is the time to remember Rafael Nadal's excellent computer record. Not once has he ever been banned from any forum, Twitter or Facebook page, maintaining a clean history free of porn and searches for performance enhancing drugs, all while editing his Wikipedia page to really highlight his 7 wins on the red clay of Roland Garros, putting him ahead of Borg for overall titles and having an unrivaled .980 winning percentage at the French Open, the highest of any multiple slam winner, even the so-called "GOAT" Roger Federer.

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Murray entered his prime last year after making the semis or better at all 4 slams. He was always capable of winning a slam (considering that he has beaten Djokovic, Nadal and Federer plenty of times). It was just about putting it all together for a slam run. But he's been the most inconsistent of the top 4 so he could easily be in his prime and lose before the QF in a slam.
 
90's Clay

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Hes been in his prime for a while.. Now its just there isn't a big 3 as there was before to stop him to the same degree
 
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90's Clay said:
Hes been in his prime for a while.. Now its just there isn't a big 3 as there was before to stop him to the same degree
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There was no Rafael Nadal, so that's mostly correct. And Rafael Nadal is 6-2 in slams against Murray, so had he faced Murray at Wimbledon 2012, Murray may not have had the confidence to win the Olympic singles gold medal (for which Nadal was not present), or the US Open (for which Nadal was not present). So I see Murray's run as a 2009 Federer run.

Maybe Murray can start beating Nadal at slams due to his confidence. (In some ways I hope he gets one more win in his career, since Djokovic was the only one showing balls vs Nadal in slams, until Roland Garros 2012, where Nadal won a record-breaking 7th slam title, to become the only king of a slam in Open Era history.)
 
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There was no Rafael Nadal, so that's mostly correct. And Rafael Nadal is 6-2 in slams against Murray, so had he faced Murray at Wimbledon 2012, Murray may not have had the confidence to win the Olympic singles gold medal (for which Nadal was not present), or the US Open (for which Nadal was not present). So I see Murray's run as a 2009 Federer run.

Maybe Murray can start beating Nadal at slams due to his confidence. (In some ways I hope he gets one more win in his career, since Djokovic was the only one showing balls vs Nadal in slams, until Roland Garros 2012, where Nadal won a record-breaking 7th slam title, to become the only king of a slam in Open Era history.)
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Murray will only manage to beat Nadal IMO at the slams if Nadal is not 100 percent and ready to go.. If Nadal isn't ready , I guess I will give MUrray the advantage. Once Nadal returns to top form, I give Nadal the clear advantage everywheres

I dont think Murray's level has upped at all. He won the USO because there was only a one man roadblock in his way to the title this year.. Not a 2 or 3 man roadblock. No way would Murray have gotten by 2 of the top 3 guys IMO.. Hell he barely got by Cilic and blew a 2 set lead to a cramped up Nole. ROFLMAO!!
 
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90's Clay said:
Murray will only manage to beat Nadal IMO at the slams if Nadal is not 100 percent and ready to go.. If Nadal isn't ready , I guess I will give MUrray the advantage. Once Nadal returns to top form, I give Nadal the clear advantage everywheres
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Here we go again. Nadal can only ever lose when he's tired or injured! :rolleyes:

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I dont think Murray's level has upped at all. He won the USO because there was only a one man roadblock in his way to the title this year.. Not a 2 or 3 man roadblock. No way would Murray have gotten by 2 of the top 3 guys IMO.. Hell he barely got by Cilic and blew a 2 set lead to a cramped up Nole. ROFLMAO!!
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But he beat the guy who beat Federer...so that's the next best thing. And Nole only started cramping in the last game of the 5th set when he was 2-5 down and called for the MTO. But your right about one thing, Murray didn't play his best tennis but still managed to win the tournament! So I guess everyone had better watch out when he DOES get round to playing his best tennis ROFLMAO!!
 
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Mainad said:
Murray didn't play his best tennis but still managed to win the tournament! So I guess everyone had better watch out when he DOES get round to playing his best tennis ROFLMAO!!
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And the funny thing is you're correct, Murray didn't play his best tennis at USO.
Murray's form at the Olympics was considerably better so yes, look out if he does up the level for future slams.
 
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Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!
 
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veroniquem said:
Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!
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And what's to say Murray isn't like Muster?
 
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veroniquem said:
Well, if he is, he's got to hurry because no ATP great scored their best season after 25. The only exception I can think of among best open era players is Muster who won the most titles at 27. Age when they won most titles and/or most tier 1 events: Connors: 21, Lendl: 22 and 25, McEnroe: 25, Federer: 23 and 25, Borg: 23, Sampras: 22, Vilas: 24 and 22, Agassi: 24, Nadal: 22, Becker: 21, Edberg: 21 and 24, Wilander: 18 and 23. So if Murray is gonna have his best season ever, he'd better hurry!
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Every player is different. Murray is certainly not one to do things the conventional way.
 
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