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Isn't it true that a dampener must be placed outside the cross pattern of the strings, and that in fact a dampener may not even touch the bottom string?
if this was true, agassi and roddick wouldnt be allowed to tie the rubberband where they do, nor would companies cut a slit in the top of teir dampners to allow it to move there.
it may be a rule, but no one will likely enforce it against u
Not true. At USTA Sectionals this year an official came straight up to my doubles partner before one of our matches and asked him to move his dampener (although I'm not sure where he originally had it placed). While it may be rare, I have witnessed the rule enforced.
The rule does state 'outside the crossed strings' but it doesn't say that it can't touch the crossed string(s)... e.g. use of a dampner with slot for bottom cross.
BTW, Samp. uses the Babolat O. like this too.
Not true. At USTA Sectionals this year an official came straight up to my doubles partner before one of our matches and asked him to move his dampener (although I'm not sure where he originally had it placed). While it may be rare, I have witnessed the rule enforced.
The rule does state 'outside the crossed strings' but it doesn't say that it can't touch the crossed string(s)... e.g. use of a dampner with slot for bottom cross...
Yes, touching the string can still be considered outside of the string bed. However, if the dampener overlaps the bottom (or top or side) string, then it is not in strict compliance with the rule. By overlap, I mean that the dampener extends slightly past the string.
Even tho' a slot is provided for the bottom (or 3rd) string, strictly speaking, it should not be placed such that it overlaps that string. Quite often players will place a slotted dampener so that it overlaps strings on 3 sides so that it does not easily pop out. Most officials will ignore a dampener placed in such a manner. Every once in a while, you'll come across an obsessive (nit-picky) official that is rather anal (pardon my French) about this placement, and will ask you to move it. Not to worry -- this doesn't happen very often.
I have see a number of players place their dampener between the bottom 2 strings. Since this is more blatant infraction, most officials will flag this as a violation.
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Yes, touching the string can still be considered outside of the string bed. However, if the dampener overlaps the bottom (or top or side) string, then it is not in strict compliance with the rule. By overlap, I mean that the dampener extends slightly past the string.
Even tho' a slot is provided for the bottom (or 3rd) string, strictly speaking, it should not be placed such that it overlaps that string. Quite often players will place a slotted dampener so that it overlaps strings on 3 sides so that it does not easily pop out. Most officials will ignore a dampener placed in such a manner. Every once in a while, you'll come across an obsessive (nit-picky) official that is rather anal (pardon my French) about this placement, and will ask you to move it. Not to worry -- this doesn't happen very often.
I have see a number of players place their dampener between the bottom 2 strings. Since this is more blatant infraction, most officials will flag this as a violation.
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Wrong... the rule is not that specific. It's up to intrepretation.
Not really. I based my response on what I've been told by more than one USTA referee. What I said pretty much follows a literal reading of the rule in Appendix II and Case #3. It's up to the discretion of the ref rather than the interpretation.
Ive always wanted to try one of these to distract some of the people I play LOL
What the hell is that thing?
What the hell is that thing?
These pictures will settle this debate.
Doesn't really settle it. Yes, the pros do it as well as many of us. But technically that placement is not in keeping with the wording of the Rules & Case #3. Don't know if it is really strictly enforced anymore. I personally don't think that this placement should be flagged as a violation -- it doesn't really make a whole lotta sense for officials to be this nit-picky.
I usually have my dampener down by the frame since I want less dampening = more feedback. However, when using a dampener that easily pops out, I'll push it all the way up to the bottom string as Rafa does in this picture.
You posted the wrong picture in your reply.
I personally think ...
Personal preference about vibration feedback is not relevant to this discussion.
What the hell is that thing?
Apparently, it's also fun. Lots of fun.I would assume that it teaches you how to swing faster and soaks up vibrations! :razz:
I agree. I do, in fact, have my dampener touching the bottom string like everyone else. I sometimes wonder what would happen if someone were to demand a ruling on it during a match. It's kind of like that old George Brett pine tar incident with the NY Yankees. Everyone knew about the rule but no official ever enforced it until Billy Martin pressed the issue. Wonder what would happen if someone called Agassi or Roddick on this during a match. What would the umpire do?
By my reading of the rules, you could put a dampener at the top of the racket too as long as it didn't go past the top cross string. Is that correct?
I'd like to teach a lesson with one of those whistlers in, just to see if my students notice.
By my reading of the rules, you could put a dampener at the top of the racket too as long as it didn't go past the top cross string. Is that correct?
The rule does state 'outside the crossed strings' but it doesn't say that it can't touch the crossed string(s)... e.g. use of a dampner with slot for bottom cross.
BTW, Samp. uses the Babolat O. like this too.
I know this is an ancient thread but ... I was google searching for the answer and think I've found the ruling from a highly credible source. Thought I and would share this along with my follow up question.
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Quote : "Dampening devices may be located on the outside of the last cross string on the sides, top and/or bottom of the racket face. Multiple devices are permitted. The device may not be placed inside the outside cross strings but the device may touch the outside cross strings."
-- Richard Kaufman USTA Director Of Officials
http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Rules/Feature/0507_Vibration_Dampeners/
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Question: What is the penalty for an illegally placed vibration dampener?
I've got my Ektelon Silencer dampener placed on the second cross up from the bottom. The darned things are a royal pain in the arse to install on the bottom cross, and I'm also afraid of pinching my gut on installation so close to the grommets. While I've never been called on it even at USTA Sectionals or Nationals when there are fairly serious roaming officials on hand, I would like to know if the penalty is a loss of a point, or a game, or just a warning or what.
-Jack
The penalty is a public flogging in the town square. Not worth it.
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In my opinion, using more than one dampener on a racquet is Busch league.
I agree, But I'm not using three dampeners. The photo isnt even mine, that's not my (Prince) racquet, and by the way the top two dampeners are not attached. Can people not read? sheesh. I was just trying to show an example of the prince silencer dampener that I have.
Ok thanks. Funny thing is I've played with corbind, has actually a very good player by the way.
I'm just about done with this conversation, and this thread ... but you said using three dampeners was bush league. Perhaps I'm being overly precise about this point, but that photo does not depict anybody using three dampeners. That was just a baseless and pointless quip. It shows one dampener installed, and two floating loosely on top.I didn't type that he wasn't.
I agree, but I'm not using three dampeners.
1. The photo isn't mine,
2. that's not my (Prince) racquet,
3. The top two dampeners in that photograph are not attached.
Can people not read? sheesh. I was just trying to show an example of the prince silencer dampener that I have. Please spare me the quips. Real answers would be awesome.
Question: What is the penalty for an illegally placed vibration dampener? While I've never been called on it even at USTA Sectionals or Nationals when there are fairly serious roaming officials on hand, I would like to know if the penalty is a loss of a point, or a game, or just a warning or what.
-Jack
From the USTA website:
http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Rules/Feature/0507_Vibration_Dampeners/
Initially, the roving/chair umpire would tell you that it's placed illegally and needs to be moved to a legal position. Failure to comply in 20 seconds would result in a code violation, delay of game, point penalty. 20 seconds later, a game penalty, and 20 seconds after that, a default.