PrinceMoron
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Already is, well not the same one we're watching if you thought that scoreline was likely.
ATP 1000 Madrid SF - Murray vs Nishikori
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Already is, well not the same one we're watching if you thought that scoreline was likely.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
What is this big four you speak of ? - I am assured that there is the only the Big 3 and Murray. Murray's not fit to be in the Big four..
I'm sorry ? Murray is world number 3 you say ?!
Naaaahhh ! Must be because he's just lucky....
Mainad
Bionic Poster
You have to be joking. Murray has played late matches all week and even had to play his first match at 3.00 in the friggin' morning when he had just come off a tiring week in Munich! There was no sign of fatigue when Nishikori destroyed Ferrer in 2 easy sets last night, was there? Maybe he played a bit mediocre today because Murray forced him to? Ever thought of that?
Does nobody ever want to give Murray any credit for winning a match so many on here were sure he would lose without constantly dreaming up excuses for his opponent?
Rebel-I.N.S
Hall of Fame
Andy finally solidfying his status as clay GOAT.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Ha ha! IMO Murray deserves to be a part of the Big Four. He has defeated Novak in two slam finals for goodness sake. He is obviously not as accomplished as the Big Three in terms of big titles but he has always been some sort of threat for the Big Three and he is definitely a big step up from the rest of the field.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
You have to be joking. Murray has played late matches all week and even had to play his first match at 3.00 in the friggin' morning when he had just come off a tiring week in Munich! There was no sign of fatigue when Nishikori destroyed Ferrer in 2 easy sets last night, was there? Maybe he played a bit mediocre today because Murray forced him to? Ever thought of that?
Does nobody ever want to give Murray any credit for winning a match so many on here were sure he would lose without constantly dreaming up excuses for his opponent?
That is exactly what happened. No excuses. Murray had the worst schedule by far this week having to play that 1am match.
Nishikori is a great player but he is the one who seems to fold when it comes to going all the way and winning the big titles.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Both Nishi and Murray played all the night matches this week but Nishi played later than Murray more often
In the end, it really doesn't matter if that was the reason or something else but any objective spectator who's watched Nishi before could tell he was not at his best.
Murray IS playing very well. Not trying to take credit away from him. Obviously, it is not Murray's fault if his opponent was out of shape. He'll have every opportunity to show his bushy tail tomorrow vs a very fresh and motivated opponent
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Both Nishi and Murray played all the night matches this week but Nishi played later than Murray more often
In the end, it really doesn't matter if that was the reason or something else but any objective spectator who's watched Nishi before could tell he was not at his best.
Murray IS playing very well. Not trying to take credit away from him. Obviously, it is not Murray's fault if his opponent was out of shape. He'll have every opportunity to show his bushy tail tomorrow vs a very fresh and motivated opponent
Nishikori is supposed to be at the very peak of his abilities at age 25. His problem is that he is not consistent enough to go all the way to win these big titles. He should be mopping up at this age/stage of his career. No excuses for him. He was badly outplayed by Murray in every aspect.
RS92
Hall of Fame
Didn't know he was a Nadal hater too :lol:
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh for sure.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
RS92
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Fantastic performance from Murray, really didn't think he'd win that easily. Congrats to all his wonderful fans out there in the dark - I just hope I'm saying the same thing tomorrow night! :smile:
You have to be joking. Murray has played late matches all week and even had to play his first match at 3.00 in the friggin' morning when he had just come off a tiring week in Munich! There was no sign of fatigue when Nishikori destroyed Ferrer in 2 easy sets last night, was there? Maybe he played a bit mediocre today because Murray forced him to? Ever thought of that?
Does nobody ever want to give Murray any credit for winning a match so many on here were sure he would lose without constantly dreaming up excuses for his opponent?
So you're implying that Murray is on PEDs?
Berasategui94
Semi-Pro
I mean because he didn't play last week but Murray did. But Nishikori always seems to have fitness issues. Not taking anything away from Murray either but Kei should've been able to make it closer, a disappointing performance.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
ROTFLMAO ! Notgoodenoughitus !
Yep a lot of Murrays opponent seem to suffer. They play a brilliant match - beat Nedal. Then JUST before they play Murray they get a bad dose of Notgoodenoughitus.
Murray is SOOO Lucky - all his opponents get it !
Somehow when they are beating Nadal, beating Ferrer they look fantastic !
Look at Kyle Vs Ferrer ! He killed him - Best thing ever - Going to be world number one !But they look so ill and off colour when they play Murray??
Their fans look incredulous and say why is my boy not playing well against Murray - they beat Nadal they Beat Ferrer surely Murray will be an easy win for for them
And then - a nasty case of Notgoodenoughitus strikes and they lose...
Why is Murray so lucky ?
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
Yep Nishikori was not fit.
Certain not fit to play Murray - Murray lucky there !
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Not that much of a difference between 25 and 27/28. It's not like 20 and 33 (referring to KG vs Fed).
Of course Murray is a much better player overall than Nishi. That is not in question. But in this particular match, Nishi didn't play nearly as well as he can on top. This is a matter of fact observation, not an attack on Murray.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I meant Nishi WAS completely dominated (hence "great for a Murray fan"). Sorry about typo then.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Really happy for you mate - you must be delighted! :smile:
Captain Ron
Professional
ROTFLMAO ! Notgoodenoughitus !
Yep a lot of Murrays opponent seem to suffer. They play a brilliant match - beat Nedal. Then JUST before they play Murray they get a bad dose of Notgoodenoughitus.
Murray is SOOO Lucky - all his opponents get it !
Somehow when they are beating Nadal, beating Ferrer they look fantastic !
But they look so ill and off colour when they play Murray??
Their fans look incredulous and say why is my boy not playing well against Murray - they beat Nadal they Beat Ferrer surely Murray will be an easy win for for them
And then - a nasty case of Notgoodenoughitus strikes and they lose...
Why is Murray so lucky ?
It's not luck, it's all the negative self talk they see Murray exhibiting. It gets into their heads, they start to think this guy across the net is playing like **** and he's still in the match. I should be killing him, maybe I'm notgoodenough? Before you know it GSM Murray, and he does it with a scowl on his face just to make sure they know they are notgoodenough.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
You have to be joking. Murray has played late matches all week and even had to play his first match at 3.00 in the friggin' morning when he had just come off a tiring week in Munich! There was no sign of fatigue when Nishikori destroyed Ferrer in 2 easy sets last night, was there? Maybe he played a bit mediocre today because Murray forced him to? Ever thought of that?
Does nobody ever want to give Murray any credit for winning a match so many on here were sure he would lose without constantly dreaming up excuses for his opponent?
Now come off it Mainad - It was an illusion Murray won tonight - Murray is hologram projected by NASA. Just like the moon landings - Murrays wins NEVER HAPPENED ! He's a conspiracy theory.
Murray can't win - You said it yourself - he does not exist !
What people saw was hologram of a non exostant Murray beating a tired and injured ( going to be world number one also ) Kyle.
Didn't happen. You can't give credit to a hologram who does not exist can you ! Even if The Hologram is INCREDIBLY LUCKY !
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Sure there is a difference. Players usually peak at around age 24/25. Nishikori should be at the stage where he is beating top players and winning big titles but he has not been able to cross that barrier yet. No excuses for him at all and I am saying that as somebody who thought he would beat Murray today.
Murray played a very solid and smart match, Nishikori didn't. That is all there is to it.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I heard that! :smile: If Andy wins tomorrow night I'll be jumping up and down harder than when Nole wins a Masters event, even though my back is killing me right now.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
Dam - That's a good hypothesis. He wins by being really crap ! Puts the other guys off ! Yes that that just too cunning !
He always drop a serve here and there to put the opponents off !
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Lol...what happened to the great Nishikori? So many posters on here were assuring me Andy wuz gonna be toast tonight! So how come Nishi was the one who got toasted? I thought he was unbeatable on clay, that he would shortly become number #1 and that Madrid was his favourite tournament! After destroying clay god Ferrer last night, how come he couldn't handle a clay mug like Murray?
Answers on a postcard and please forward to "We Just Hate That Lucky Scotsman' c/o Mugs United, Suckerville! :wink:
You better be gloating Mainad! :smile:
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Yeah a disappointing perf regardless of reason. Thinking back, similar to AO vs Wawa. Maybe that's part of why he hasn't won more titles, lack of consistency overall.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Welcome to TTW! Lovin' that username, what a f*****g tune. :smile:
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Depends on the player but in terms of fatigue/recovery, the difference is minimal and that is what I was discussing.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Ah, I see. I was genuinely in doubt as I do think Nishi pulled plenty of triggers - however, Murray had more in store.
Congrats to Murray and his fans.
Not sure if I voted or not, but I too regarded Nishi as the pre-match favorite.
Now please crucify me for that as I obviously showed no respect to Murray at all
....(or alternatively, please stop with the 'you guys predicted Nishi, you're all a bunch of haters'-song. It's tiresome).
Nishikori hit the majority of his rally balls to Murray's backhand, and was not doing nearly enough moving around of the ball. His serve was subpar, and he couldn't return nearly as well as he could on Murray's second serve.
Murray played a very intelligent match tactically and really served well (Watch it disappear against Nadal though as usual). Nishikori just wasn't thinking at ALL out there. Too many UE's off neutralish rally shots.
Murray played a very intelligent match tactically and really served well (Watch it disappear against Nadal though as usual). Nishikori just wasn't thinking at ALL out there. Too many UE's off neutralish rally shots.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
A few but his serve constantly let him down and he was much less aggressive than he had been recently.
The shot that was very efficient today for Murray was that BH down the line. Nishi had no answer to that at all.
Daized: great analysis!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
The bottom line is with Nishikori he tends to peter out when the going gets tough as you yourself mentioned in a post above. That is the problem. This is the time at age 25 when he should be going the distance by beating the best players and winning the bigger titles. Perhaps he has topped out and is not capable of more. We shall see.
Say My Name
New User
Cheers !
Hyping players with the single wins( Nishi-Djok , Dimi-Muzza) is just RIDICULOUS.
Please wake me up when New Pretenders win something - then I`d start taking notice.
Looks like we`ll have to "put up" with the "Old Guard" for a while.
Good win for Murray today.
Berasategui94
Semi-Pro
Yes, something like that. I admit I was expecting him to win Madrid but I've probably overestimated him (like many others) as a clay courter based on a few great matches.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I honestly could not pick a favorite in this match but I was pretty sure it would go 3. I disagree about "winning" the whole thing. After the Berd match, I thought Nadal would be favorite vs either (even though I also think Nadal still doesn't look like 2013 form, he definitely doesn't look that unbeatable).
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
aight. and yeah, great bt Daized
Say My Name
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I doubt Murray will beat Nadal tomorrow but I will laugh my arse off if he does because you get way too cocky after Nadal beats a pigeon of his on clay like Berdych. Nadal has not been tested at all during this tournament. Dimitrov and Berdych? Come on. On the other hand, Murray hasn't really been tested either with a not 100% Raonic and a lackluster Nishikori.
It should be interesting tomorrow. I hope it is a close match either way.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
Nah I'm assured by many here that was just a rumour put about by feeble minded Murray fans - Never happened.
And if it did - It was just luck...
But Maybe it's time for the Murray Hologram to start beating the Big 3 again ? - Go NASA - you have the technology !
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Captain Ron
Professional
It's not just playing like crap that does it. It's that combined with the verbal self flagellation. It makes it clear to the other player that they are notgoodenough and Murray is simply playing line crap
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I think Rafa was tested some. Dimi looked good in Madrid before getting to Rafa. Berd has been in great form all season. He pushed Djoko to the limit in M-C.
Anyway, it will definitely be an interesting final. Rafa always plays his best tennis in finals and how much resistance Murray can offer will be a strong indication of how much confidence his recent winning streak on the dirt has truly given him and at the same time of how close to his best Rafa has truly got.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
I'm seeing things ! Fantastic performance ?
Lucky you mean !
No one gives Murray credit here - IT'S IN THE TW RULES !
But thanks anyway !
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
No sane person thought Dimitrov or Berdych would beat Nadal on clay no matter how out of form Nadal has been. They are two of his pigeons and one win out of how many matches that Berdych had vs Nadal on hc at the AO means zip.
I don't give Murray a big chance to win vs Nadal tomorrow but you never know and he is certainly a level up from Dimitrov or Berdych . Murray does have it in him and may be capable.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I agree that Murray is a notch above Berd and Dimi but that doesn't mean Berd and Dimi sucked (and Nadal is more than 1 notch above anyone Murray has played this week! including Nishi surprisingly).
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, it was far from obvious to me. But then so many of Murray's opponents mysteriously seem to spring sudden bouts of fatigue when playing him, don't they? But scratch my head as I may, I just can't manage to think why that should be!
Of course it's Murray's fault if he was out of shape. Don't you know by now that Murray has this strange effect on his opponents. He must have the luck of the devil!
He'll have every opportunity to show his bushy tail tomorrow vs a very fresh and motivated opponent
But of course, if he were to beat Nadal we would no doubt be hearing how much more 'tired' and 'fatigued' and 'out of shape' poor Rafa was! :wink:
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is a horrible match-up for both Dimitrov and Berdych on clay. Usually he is a bad match-up for Murray on clay too.
I think Nadal will win but I also would not be shocked if Murray somehow prevails.
I just hope it is not a blow out.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Do you really? Are you sure about that? Whatever gives you that idea??? :wink:
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