2019 ATP Madrid Final: Djokovic [1] vs Tsitsipas [8]

Who will take the golden pleasuring stick?

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Djokovic has now won a title on all three surfaces since his return back to the top after two years wondering in the darkness.

Shout out for all those Djokovic fans that stood by Djokovic through those times, not those fickle ones who shouted "oh no!" and ran for the hills and only came back when he started winning and Federer stopped adding to his tally. The true Earth's Mightiest Warriors....in it, no matter what!
 
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Didn't watch the match, the result was never in doubt anyway. I guess this year the RG result will be even more NID than in 2016. I just don't see a single player other than Djokovic who is playing well in the current tour.
 
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Title #74 for Djokovic, 2nd this year (joining 3 other top 10 players with 2 titles), Masters 1000 #33 (equalling Nadal at the top of this title list), 9th at this level on clay and 3rd in Madrid.

Does this now make him the undisputed favourite for Rome and RG?
 
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Mainad said:
Title #74 for Djokovic, 2nd this year (joining 3 other top 10 players with 2 titles), Masters 1000 #33 (equalling Nadal at the top of this title list), 9th at this level on clay and 3rd in Madrid.

Does this now make him the undisputed favourite for Rome and RG?
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Yes, because I don't see any players who are playing well right now. Nadal suddenly decided to be back to his 2015 form. Thiem can't play Djokovic mentally as we saw yesterday. That's it.
 
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joekapa said:
Djokovic undoubtedly is the most dominant player of the past 10 years. He also seems set to break Federer's record of number of weeks at number one.

Can he overcome Medvedev style play though. That's my only fear at RG.
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It's the only Slam he never won a match at though. Djokovic losing to him in MC shows how bad he had been playing because clay is not Medvedev's best surface.
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
Bloody hell, Novak sure knows how to put his fans through the wringer - definitely got a bit tight in that last game but overall a fantastic performance. And I thought Tsitsipas played pretty well too, especially given his match against Nadal late last night.

Anyway congrats to Novak on a record equalling 33rd Masters title. This is now the 7th Masters tournament he's won at least 3 times and he also becomes only the 2nd player after Federer to record 200 match wins against top 10 opponents.

What a wonderful event this year's Madrid Masters has been. :)
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Cincinnati is now the only Masters where he has registered just 1 win. Almost certainly will rectify that though.
 
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Novak took a leaf out of Fed book in the Dubai Final, was on it from the off, and did not allow Tsitipas any chance to get comfortable and run the tiredness out of his legs, his experience and quality play was on display
Definitely a favourite for RG but I think It really does depend on the draw and his mental application, not getting tied up in long matches, you can't rule out Nadal, not at the French
I think it's quite open this year.
 
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Latetothegame said:
Novak took a leaf out of Fed book in the Dubai Final, was on it from the off, and did not allow Tsitipas any chance to get comfortable and run the tiredness out of his legs, his experience and quality play was on display
Definitely a favourite for RG but I think It really does depend on the draw and his mental application, not getting tied up in long matches, you can't rule out Nadal, not at the French
I think it's quite open this year.
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I think this year we can rule him out for sure, just like it was in 2015.
 
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Couldn't watch the final unfortunately. But knowing the Madrid crowd probably weren't pleased today makes me pleased. :p

Congrats to Novak. Not really surprised he found his form again and crowned it with a trophy. Good time to find it with Roland Garros just couple of weeks away now.

He is going to be very hungry for that Slam sweep which he already achieved before. Whether he accomplishes it or not, he will be very tough to beat in Paris that's for sure.

Looking forward to that tournament.
 
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Mainad said:
Doesn't speak Spanish yet. Said a few words at the start and then asked to switch to English.
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He's not fluent but it's said to be surprisingly good and getting better year after year.
He actually gave full on-court interview in Spanish right after the final and every match in fact. The interviewers (Mostly Corretja) haven't translated anything to English for him for years now.
He switched to English in the ceremony, because after all he's far more comfortable with speaking English and probably knows the ceremony is for his team/family, his opponent and international audience who would be clueless otherwise.
 
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Djokovic(1) 11,160 - 45 + 1000 - 12,115

Nadal(2) 7765 -180 + 360 - 7945

Tsitsipas(6) 3190 + 600 - 3790 from 9th to 6th Place

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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And to celebrate Djoko's third Madrid title, a reminder of why Djoko is the overall (most polyvalent and least specialized) SUPERGOAT:

# of different tier 1 won at least once:
Djokovic: 14 out of 14 = 100%
Federer: 12 out of 14 = 85.7%
Nadal: 11 out of 14 = 78.5%

# of different tier 1 won at least twice:
Djokovic: 12 out of 14 = 85.7%
Federer: 10 out of 14 = 71.4%
Nadal: 8 out of 14 = 57.1%

# of different tier 1 won several times (= 3+):
Djokovic: 11 out of 14 = 78.5%
Federer: 9 out of 14 = 64.2%
Nadal: 7 out of 14 = 50%


And counting !!!!!!!!!!! :)(y) (as Djoko is the youngest of the 3 :p;))
 
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oldmanfan said:
What excuse? That Fedr stopped Djokr's unbeatean 41-match(?) streak ON CLAY at RG11 and had 2 MPs at USO11, thus proving how effective his slices has been against Djokr? Okay.
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Once = exception
Most of the time = rule
You cannot prove a trend on the basis of one match. You're proving the opposite actually (that it didn't work more often than it did)
Logic is not your forte I assume ?:D
 
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veroniquem said:
And to celebrate Djoko's third Madrid title, a reminder of why Djoko is the overall (most polyvalent and least specialized) SUPERGOAT:

# of different tier 1 won at least once:
Djokovic: 14 out of 14 = 100%
Federer: 12 out of 14 = 85.7%
Nadal: 11 out of 14 = 78.5%

# of different tier 1 won at least twice:
Djokovic: 12 out of 14 = 85.7%
Federer: 10 out of 14 = 71.4%
Nadal: 8 out of 14 = 57.1%

# of different tier 1 won several times (= 3+):
Djokovic: 11 out of 14 = 78.5%
Federer: 9 out of 14 = 64.2%
Nadal: 7 out of 14 = 50%


And counting !!!!!!!!!!! :)(y) (as Djoko is the youngest of the 3 :p;))
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Laughs in Andy Murray and laughs in Olympic singles gold.

Hoping for Tokyo though.

Might support Djokovic over Murray in Tokyo

This is where the Manor kills me by haggising me.
 
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Red Rick said:
Laughs in Andy Murray and laughs in Olympic singles gold.
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For Murray, it does not matter since he doesn't have the stats in the 14 tier 1 anyway
Olympics has to be treated separately due to controversial status + not yearly event + player represents country not oneself like DC
 
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Mainad said:
Title #74 for Djokovic, 2nd this year (joining 3 other top 10 players with 2 titles), Masters 1000 #33 (equalling Nadal at the top of this title list), 9th at this level on clay and 3rd in Madrid.

Does this now make him the undisputed favourite for Rome and RG?
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Not undisputed favourite but if he continues playing like he did today, especially the 1st set, he'll be very tough to beat.
 
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And I'd like to add that Djokovic achieved those numbers over a much shorter period of time than Fed.
Fed won all his tier 1 between 2002 and 2019 (18 seasons)
It took Djoko only 13 seasons (2007 to 2019) for his superior %
All the more impressive.
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
Not undisputed favourite but if he continues playing like he did today, especially the 1st set, he'll be very tough to beat.
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And just like that, everything that happened in the past couple of months post AO to Djokovic, gone. He is starting to zone in at the right time. I think he stands a very good chance at winning Rome next week. The draw is good.
 
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Hitman said:
And just like that, everything that happened in the past couple of months post AO to Djokovic, gone. He is starting to zone in at the right time. I think he stands a very good chance at winning Rome next week. The draw is good.
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I've got a pretty good feeling about Rome too. It's Novak's favourite clay tournament and he loves the support he gets from the fans there. Fingers crossed. :)
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
I've got a pretty good feeling about Rome too. It's Novak's favourite clay tournament and he loves the support he gets from the fans there. Fingers crossed. :)
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It all started for him in Rome 2018 when he played that semi against Nadal. This time he is going back with more momentum, more belief and knowing he is the heavyweight champion of the world once again.
 
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Hitman said:
It all started for him in Rome 2018 when he played that semi against Nadal. This time he is going back with more momentum, more belief and knowing he is the heavyweight champion of the world once again.
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Zverev or Thiem will beat Nole in Rome..... I hope to be proven wrong...
 
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xFedal said:
Zverev or Thiem will beat Nole in Rome..... I hope to be proven wrong...
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I would like to see the matches. I want Djokovic to play these guys as much as possible before RG. The mental side of the game cannot be understated. The win against Thiem just boosted his confidence ten fold, he knows he can beat the hottest guy on clay overall this season.
 
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Hitman said:
I would like to see the matches. I want Djokovic to play these guys as much as possible before RG. The mental side of the game cannot be understated. The win against Thiem just boosted his confidence ten fold, he knows he can beat the hottest guy on clay overall this season.
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Can he beat ZVEREV AND THIEM back to back though?
 
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Hitman said:
I would like to see the matches. I want Djokovic to play these guys as much as possible before RG. The mental side of the game cannot be understated. The win against Thiem just boosted his confidence ten fold, he knows he can beat the hottest guy on clay overall this season.
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By the way, what do you think about Nadal now? You wrote that if he doesn't reach Madrid final then you will write him off for RG. Do you stay by this opinion?
 
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xFedal said:
Can he beat ZVEREV AND THIEM back to back though?
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I guess we have to wait and see. I personally think he will. Because if he plays Thiem, Thiem himself would have come through Nadal and quite possibly Federer.
 
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FedGR said:
He said a couple words to Tsitsipas in Greek as well. Ευχαριστώ φίλε which translates to Thank you friend.
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I remember reading an article, I think it was Zed who said that he did not know Tsitipas so well, he prefers to hang with the Serbia/Croatia players on tour, not so unusual for Novak to know a few words of Greek, not so far away in that region of Europe, he posted a picture (I think of the announcement of his wife's first pregnancy) , from Athens at the Acropolis
he does speak other languages well, probably multi- lingual from an early age.
 
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StrongRule said:
By the way, what do you think about Nadal now? You wrote that if he doesn't reach Madrid final then you will write him off for RG. Do you stay by this opinion?
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The reason why I stated that opinion is because Nadal's mindset is not like Federer or even Djokovic, he is the ultimate momentum player. He needs wins, titles to get into that mindset that he will win the title. Clay has been Nadal's domain longer than I can remember, and for someone like him, to lose in his fav hunting grounds to three different players and none of them being called Djokovic cannot instil the greatest of confidences in him. Because of this, and after seeing his draw at Rome, it is now very likely he could be heading into RG with zero titles to his name and a plethora of players smelling blood. For him to switch it on, when he hasn't really been able to do that even during his peak years, will be very difficult, even with the event being called RG.

Now, what can change my opinion is if he wins Rome. What looks like a curse of a draw that could truly kill whatever is left after the three losses so far, could be a blessing in disguise. Should he win that, and beat at least one of Thiem or Djokovic along the way, then he is back with a serious chance. If that doesn't happen, then RG is going to be a real struggle for him mentally. I don't really want to ever go against Nadal on clay and at RG especially, but Nadal cannot be in a good place right now after saying he is playing his best tennis during the Wawrinka match, only to lose to a guy who confessed just a few months earlier he has no idea how to beat Nadal.
 
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Hitman said:
The reason why I stated that opinion is because Nadal's mindset is not like Federer or even Djokovic, he is the ultimate momentum player. He needs wins, titles to get into that mindset that he will win the title. Clay has been Nadal's domain longer than I can remember, and for someone like him, to lose in his fav hunting grounds to three different players and none of them being called Djokovic cannot instil the greatest of confidences in him. Because of this, and after seeing his draw at Rome, it is now very likely he could be heading into RG with zero titles to his name and a plethora of players smelling blood. For him to switch it on, when he hasn't really been able to do that even during his peak years, will be very difficult, even with the event being called RG.

Now, what can change my opinion is if he wins Rome. What looks like a curse of a draw that could truly kill whatever is left after the three losses so far, could be a blessing in disguise. Should he win that, and beat at least one of Thiem or Djokovic along the way, then he is back with a serious chance. If that doesn't happen, then RG is going to be a real struggle for him mentally. I don't really want to ever go against Nadal on clay and at RG especially, but Nadal cannot be in a good place right now after saying he is playing his best tennis during the Wawrinka match, only to lose to a guy who confessed just a few months earlier he has no idea how to beat Nadal.
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Pretty much this. And if the mental part isn't bad enough, I also had the impression that he was physically tired in the third set. The last time I saw him being tired so early in matches was in 2015. But 2015 didn't come out of nowhere, he already had physical problems in 2014 before that. On the other hand this year he comes from 2018 where he was physically strong. Just think about it-he survived three long thrillers in USO. (though that was the end of the season for him)
 
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There is almost no way Nadal is beating Joco at FO. He'd better hope the Serb gets knocked out by someone else like Pepe.
 
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StrongRule said:
Pretty much this. And if the mental part isn't bad enough, I also had the impression that he was physically tired in the third set. The last time I saw him being tired so early in matches was in 2015. But 2015 didn't come out of nowhere, he already had physical problems in 2014 before that. On the other hand this year he comes from 2018 where he was physically strong. Just think about it-he survived three long thrillers in USO. (though that was the end of the season for him)
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We need to keep in mind that he did have stomach issues, and it is clear something was wrong in Madrid, because Cilic pulled out with food poisoning. Stomach bugs can zap your energy very quickly if you still have lingering effects. You might think you are fit, but it can hit you very quickly. I would rather wait until I watch his matches in Rome to look at his physical stamina issues, because he should be fully cleared of anything by then.
 
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Hitman said:
We need to keep in mind that he did have stomach issues, and it is clear something was wrong in Madrid, because Cilic pulled out with food poisoning. Stomach bugs can zap your energy very quickly if you still have lingering effects. You might think you are fit, but it can hit you very quickly. I would rather wait until I watch his matches in Rome to look at his physical stamina issues, because he should be fully cleared of anything by then.
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I expect Thiem to beat him pretty easily if they meet in Rome. Nadal had little success in this tournament in the last few years anyway (except the last year when he won, but even then there were close matches) and given his results on clay this year I can't be very optimistic.
 
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