1980-84 vs 1985-89 gen: winning percentage

[Lew II]

1980-84 gen
1985-89 gen

Overall winning percentage:

1) Nadal 82.9
2) Djokovic 82.7
3) Federer 81.9
4) Murray 77.8
5) Roddick 74.2
6) Del Potro 71.8
7) Hewitt 70.2
8) Tsonga 68.1
9) Nishikori 68
10) Nalbandian 66.6

Grand Slam:

1) Nadal 87.3
2) Federer 86.3
3) Djokovic 86.3
4) Murray 81.1
5) Tsonga 74.5
6) Roddick 74.4
7) Del Potro 72.9
8) Cilic 72.5
9) Wawrinka 72.4
10) Safin 71.4

Masters:

1) Nadal 82.5
2) Djokovic 82
3) Federer 77.8
4) Murray 72.4
5) Coria 69.9
6) Roddick 69.2
7) Del Potro 65.6
8) Nishikori 64.7
9) Hewitt 63.7
10) Berdych 62.2

VS top-10:

1) Djokovic 68.5
2) Nadal 65.6
3) Federer 65.3
4) Murray 55.2
5) Safin 49.5
6) Hewitt 47.1
7) Del Potro 40.8
8) Ferrero 40.2
9) Nishikori 37.5
10) Wawrinka 37.1

Finals:

1) Davydenko 75
2) Nadal 69
3) Djokovic 68.3
4) Murray 67.2
5) Simon 66.7
6) Federer 66
7) Hewitt 65.2
8) Del Potro 62.9
9) Roddick 61.5
10) Tsonga 57.1

Hardcourt:

1) Djokovic 84.2
2) Federer 83.1
3) Murray 78.7
4) Nadal 77.3
5) Roddick 75.3
6) Del Potro 72.4
7) Hewitt 70.4
8) Tsonga 68.4
9) Nishikori 68
10) Cilic 66.2

Clay:

1) Nadal 92
2) Djokovic 79.3
3) Federer 75.9
4) Ferrero 72.8
5) Coria 71.9
6) Nishikori 71.2
7) Del Potro 71.2
8) Ferrer 70.6
9) Gonzalez 70
10) Murray 69.9

Grass:

1) Federer 87.1
2) Murray 83.6
3) Djokovic 83
4) Roddick 79.6
5) Nadal 77.6
6) Hewitt 75.9
7) Ancic 74.1
8) Cilic 71
9) Tsonga 70.1
10) Del Potro 69.6

Indoor:

1) Federer 80.8
2) Djokovic 78.6
3) Murray 78.5
4) Soderling 74
5) Nalbandian 72.9
6) Roddick 72.6
7) Del Potro 71
8) Nishikori 70.6
9) Tsonga 69.6
10) Hewitt 69

 

[Red Rick]

Fun fact.

Wawrinka's HC winning% is the same as Roddicks clay winning%.

 

[zuluzazu]

Just the gap between first and second on clay is mind boggling. Secondly djoker and fed have better winning percentages on clay inspite of facing nadal than coria who was once hailed as king of clay

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Fun fact.

Wawrinka's HC winning% is the same as Roddicks clay winning%.

Also Hewitt's winning percentage is brought down a lot due to his 2006-2016 years which Lew obviously includes.

 

[NatF]

Also Hewitt's winning percentage is brought down a lot due to his 2006-2016 years which Lew obviously includes.

Guys like Hewitt, Safin and Ferrero still featuring despite having their primes cut short by injuries

 

[Lew II]

Guys like Hewitt, Safin and Ferrero still featuring despite having their primes cut short by injuries

Winning percentage should be favoured by short careers. Anyway 1980-84 players reached lower peaks too.

 

[NatF]

Winning percentage should be favoured by short careers. Anyway 1980-84 players reached lower peaks too, as you will see in my next post for example.

I think even less people care about your cherry picked stats now then when you started

It's Christmas man, nothing better to do? Have a drink and eat some food. Leave the fan war stuff for another day.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

I think even less people care about your cherry picked stats now then when you started

It's Christmas man, nothing better to do? Have a drink and eat some food. Leave the fan war stuff for another day.

Boxing day would be more fitting

 

[tennis_pro]

Where did your parents make a mistake? I'd like to help.

 

[Towny]

How unfortunate for Federer that he's had to face the strong Djokodal generation with an age disadvantage for about 10 years. I'm sure he would've much rather faced the LostGen and NextGen

 

[upchuck]

Yet some would look at statistics like these and deny Murray's superiority to the non-Federer people of the generation before him.

 

[Lew II]

How unfortunate for Federer that he's had to face the strong Djokodal generation with an age disadvantage for about 10 years. I'm sure he would've much rather faced the LostGen and NextGen

He feasted on weak players in his peak, while Djokovic, Nadal, Murray had to deal with each other.

 

[Towny]

He feasted on weak players in his peak, while Djokovic, Nadal, Murray had to deal with each other.

I agree the Djokodal generation is stronger, but Federer has had to deal with it for over a decade and had them biting at his heels from pretty early on.

Just after Federer turned 28 in 2009, 3 players of the next generation had won slams. Djokovic is now 31 and there are still no slam winners from the generation after his or even the generation after that.

They've all had times of strong competition and times of weak competition. For what it's worth, I think Djokovic has had it toughest overall, just not to the extent that it makes up for a 6 slam deficit.

 

[metsman]

Nadal is in Djokovic's generation and not Federer's despite being clearly better from 05-09 than 11-16? Yeah ok.

 

[Lew II]

Nadal is in Djokovic's generation and not Federer's despite being clearly better from 05-09 than 11-16? Yeah ok.

After 2010 he won more slams than before 2010, and in 2005-09 he won only slams beating Federer.

Anyway the peak of results is a different analysis, we should also take into account for example how good were Federer and Ferrer in their 30s.

 

[abmk]

Of course the 85-88 or 89 gen is better, but
Nadal from 2005-2010 > 2011-2016, by a huge distance.

 

[abmk]

After 2010 he won more slams than before 2010, and in 2005-09 he won only slams beating Federer.

Nadal won 6 slams from 2005-09. ( 5 years)
Won only 5 slams from 2011-2016 (6 years)

In 6 years before Djokovic's hit his peak in 2011, 2005-2010, nadal won 9 slams
In 6 years of Djokovic's prime, 2011-2016, Nadal won 5 slams

So you fail and fail utterly & miserably.

and @ the bold part : again, just clueless stuff from you.
1. Its not just the finalists that matter.
2. Nadal won RG 05 beating Puerta in the final, not Federer.
3. Nadal had also beaten your boy Djokovic in RG 07 and in RG 08 (both semis)
Other notable opponents : Federer in 05 RG semi, PHM in RG 06, Verdasco in AO 09.
Now, go get a clue instead of embarassing yourself again and again.

 

[Lew II]

We should also take into account how good Agassi was in his 30s
We should also take into account how ****tily ****ty Nishi-Dimi-Raonic gen which was supposed to shone from 2014-2016 was (half of 2011-2016)

1990-94 and 1975-79 generations both sucked.

 

[Lew II]

Nadal won 6 slams from 2005-09. ( 5 years)
Won only 5 slams from 2011-2016 (6 years)

In 6 years before Djokovic's hit his peak in 2011, 2005-2010, nadal won 9 slams
In 6 years of Djokovic's prime, 2011-2016, Nadal won 5 slams

So you fail and fail utterly & miserably.

and @ the bold part : again, just clueless stuff from you.
1. Its not just the finalists that matter.
2. Nadal won RG 05 beating Puerta in the final, not Federer.
3. Nadal had also beaten your boy Djokovic in RG 07 and in RG 08 (both semis)
Other notable opponents : Federer in 05 RG semi, PHM in RG 06, Verdasco in AO 09.
Now, go get a clue instead of embarassing yourself again and again.

Federer vs Nadal before 2010: 2-6
Djokovic vs Nadal after 2010: 5-4

Peak Federer allowed Nadal to win more than peak Djokovic did.

 

[Lew II]

I've already posted many stats about results per year, this one is about generations.

It is the answer to "Federer is not the same gen as Djokovic and Nadal".

 

[Jonas78]

I thought age didnt matter @Lew II , now you bring up their birth years??

 

[abmk]

Federer vs Nadal before 2010: 2-6
Djokovic vs Nadal after 2010: 5-4

Peak Federer allowed Nadal to win more than peak Djokovic did.

Like I said, nadal before 2010 > Nadal after 2010 by some distance.
and dishonest BS from you counting more years for Djokovic.
Take similar time periods.

your evaluation includes a ****ty Nadal in RG 2015.

Nadal would've won vs Djokovic in 2005-08 at RG.
and would've won 1 or 2 of Wim 06-08 and AO 09 vs Djokovic.

So atmost 1 slam difference there.

Again, get a clue and stop embarassing yourself.

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Nothing compared to 5 slams that Djokovic lost to Murray+stan from 2011-2016.
Federer would've lost 1 slam combined to both these guys from 2004-09.
Heck, he still hasn't lost a single match to Stan outside of clay, even after having played so many of them past his prime.
It took Murray 5 sets to beat Federer at AO in 2013 after Tsonga had drained him with a 5-setter in the round before. This was with Federer nearly 31.5 years of age.
When delpo drained Djokovic in Wim 13, Murray beat him in straight sets in the final. LOL !

 

[abmk]

1990-94 and 1975-79 generations both sucked.

Nishikori-Raonic-Dimi gen = 0 slams, 2 slam finals, 1 YEC, 1 masters

One guy, Kuerten born in 1976 obliterates all the work done by the Nishi-Raonic-gen :
3 slams, 1 YEC, 6 masters, YE#1

Oh and you have :

Moya born in 76 with 1 slam, 1 slam final, 3 masters and reached #1
Rios born in 75 with 1 slam final, 5 masters, 1 grand slam cup, reached #1
Phlippoussis born in 76 with 2 slam finals, 1 masters
Norman born in 76 with a slam final, 1 masters
Haas born in 78 with 1 masters, multiple slam semis

etc.


75-79 obliterates the fail gen.

To be more precise, Kafelnikov (born in 74), Henman (born in 74) are also part of that gen.

If you take from 74-78 , the obliteration is even more immense.

 

[Lew II]

Nishikori-Raonic-Dimi gen = 0 slams, 2 slam finals, 1 YEC, 1 masters

One guy, Kuerten born in 1976 obliterates all the work done by the Nishi-Raonic-gen :
3 slams, 1 YEC, 6 masters, YE#1

Oh and you have :

Moya born in 76 with 1 slam, 1 slam final, 3 masters and reached #1
Rios born in 75 with 1 slam final, 5 masters, 1 grand slam cup, reached #1
Phlippoussis born in 76 with 2 slam finals, 1 masters
Norman born in 76 with a slam final, 1 masters
Haas born in 78 with 1 masters, multiple slam semis

etc.


75-79 obliterates the fail gen.

To be more precise, Kafelnikov (born in 74), Henman (born in 74) are also part of that gen.

If you take from 74-78 , the obliteration is even more immense.

1990-94 players are still young

 

[Lew II]

Like I said, nadal before 2010 > Nadal after 2010 by some distance.
and dishonest BS from you counting more years for Djokovic.
Take similar time periods.

Including 2015-16 and excluding 2003-04 is unfair. That's why I simply divide in before/after 2010.

 

[abmk]

Including 2015-16 and excluding 2003-04 is unfair. That's why I simply divide in before/after 2010.

Just take 6 years of Fed-Djoko's primes. 2004-09 and 2011-16.
Your way is downright insult to the very name of logic.

 

[abmk]

1990-94 players are still young

They aren't.

Edit : so you think Dimi-Raonic-Dimitrov gen will come within a 100 country miles of 6 slams, 5 slam finals, 18 masters (possibly more), an YE#1 , 3 other guys reaching #1 (Moya, Kafelnikov, Rios) ?

74-78 actually includes Corretja as well, who was in 2 slam finals, won a YEC, 2 masters

 

[Lew II]

Just take 6 years of Fed-Djoko's primes. 2004-09 and 2011-16.
Your way is downright insult to the very name of logic.

h2h

2004-09: Federer vs Nadal 2-6
2011-16: Djokovic vs Nadal 4-4

 

[Lew II]

They aren't.

Edit : so you think Dimi-Raonic-Dimitrov gen will come within a 100 country miles of 6 slams, 5 slam finals, 18 masters (possibly more), an YE#1 , 3 other guys reaching #1 (Moya, Kafelnikov, Rios) ?

74-78 actually includes Corretja as well, who was in 2 slam finals, won a YEC, 2 masters

Can we wait for the end of their careers, please?

By the way 1975-79 players had already declined in Federer's peak.

 

[abmk]

Can we wait for the end of their careers, please?

Firstly, I don't need to wait to see how sh*tty they were in 2014-2016 compared to every other gen. (Djokovic's prime years). a tad worse in 17 and much worse in 18.
Secondly, it'd take an utter and absolute miracle for them to come close to 74-78 gen's achievements.
If they play well enough to deny a good enough Djokovic or Nadal slams in the future multiple times, will give them some consideration/worth. But not holding onto hope for that.

By the way 1975-79 players had already declined in Federer's peak.

not your initial argument, but going by the achievements of the 74-78 generation, the weak gen never even rose.

 

[Lew II]

@abmk

Slam wins of Nadal over top-10:

before 2010 excluding Federer: 5
after 2010 excluding Djokovic: 23

And this will be my last post about this, I already talked about competition in each year many times, this thread is about gens.

 

[Phoenix1983]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how Lew spends his Christmas Day.

 

[metsman]

Federer vs Nadal before 2010: 2-6
Djokovic vs Nadal after 2010: 5-4

Peak Federer allowed Nadal to win more than peak Djokovic did.

Yes Djokovic didn't allow 15-16 Nadal to win. Him and Berdych, Verdasco, Fognini, Poullie, Brown, and the rest of the gang. Tremendous accomplishment.

 

[RS]

I agree the Djokodal generation is stronger, but Federer has had to deal with it for over a decade and had them biting at his heels from pretty early on.

Just after Federer turned 28 in 2009, 3 players of the next generation had won slams. Djokovic is now 31 and there are still no slam winners from the generation after his or even the generation after that.

They've all had times of strong competition and times of weak competition. For what it's worth, I think Djokovic has had it toughest overall, just not to the extent that it makes up for a 6 slam deficit.

Yeah. Djokovic could do with that 2nd RG and 1/2 more USO titles and the 7th AO to give him 17/18 slams. That would put him on par or ahead of Federer IMO.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

1980-84 gen
1985-89 gen

Overall winning percentage:

1) Nadal 82.9
2) Djokovic 82.7
3) Federer 81.9
4) Murray 77.8
5) Roddick 74.2
6) Del Potro 71.8
7) Hewitt 70.2
8) Tsonga 68.1
9) Nishikori 68
10) Nalbandian 66.6

Grand Slam:

1) Nadal 87.3
2) Federer 86.3
3) Djokovic 86.3
4) Murray 81.1
5) Tsonga 74.5
6) Roddick 74.4
7) Del Potro 72.9
8) Cilic 72.5
9) Wawrinka 72.4
10) Safin 71.4

Masters:

1) Nadal 82.5
2) Djokovic 82
3) Federer 77.8
4) Murray 72.4
5) Coria 69.9
6) Roddick 69.2
7) Del Potro 65.6
8) Nishikori 64.7
9) Hewitt 63.7
10) Berdych 62.2

VS top-10:

1) Djokovic 68.5
2) Nadal 65.6
3) Federer 65.3
4) Murray 55.2
5) Safin 49.5
6) Hewitt 47.1
7) Del Potro 40.8
8) Ferrero 40.2
9) Nishikori 37.5
10) Wawrinka 37.1

Finals:

1) Davydenko 75
2) Nadal 69
3) Djokovic 68.3
4) Murray 67.2
5) Simon 66.7
6) Federer 66
7) Hewitt 65.2
8) Del Potro 62.9
9) Roddick 61.5
10) Tsonga 57.1

Hardcourt:

1) Djokovic 84.2
2) Federer 83.1
3) Murray 78.7
4) Nadal 77.3
5) Roddick 75.3
6) Del Potro 72.4
7) Hewitt 70.4
8) Tsonga 68.4
9) Nishikori 68
10) Cilic 66.2

Clay:

1) Nadal 92
2) Djokovic 79.3
3) Federer 75.9
4) Ferrero 72.8
5) Coria 71.9
6) Nishikori 71.2
7) Del Potro 71.2
8) Ferrer 70.6
9) Gonzalez 70
10) Murray 69.9

Grass:

1) Federer 87.1
2) Murray 83.6
3) Djokovic 83
4) Roddick 79.6
5) Nadal 77.6
6) Hewitt 75.9
7) Ancic 74.1
8) Cilic 71
9) Tsonga 70.1
10) Del Potro 69.6

Indoor:

1) Federer 80.8
2) Djokovic 78.6
3) Murray 78.5
4) Soderling 74
5) Nalbandian 72.9
6) Roddick 72.6
7) Del Potro 71
8) Nishikori 70.6
9) Tsonga 69.6
10) Hewitt 69

On Christmas.

You are officially without a life.