tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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2016 Shanghai Rolex Masters Final - A. Murray vs. R. Bautista-Agut
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hmmm i dno i think Murray was a tad better pre surgery from like US 12 thru Wimb 13
Paul Harman
Semi-Pro
Murray peaked yesterday. He troughed today. Should be OK to peak again tomorrow.
MarcusInKensington
Hall of Fame
Sir Andrew Murray in 2.
Chicharito
Hall of Fame
and without beating a top 10 player either.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Disappointing performance from Muzza today (where did his serve suddenly go? 
), but should still be the overwhelming favourite.
Hope RBA will be able to make it a decent match.
), but should still be the overwhelming favourite.Hope RBA will be able to make it a decent match.
InsideOut900
Legend
No joke,but it is pissing off how Djokovic played his best match the entire tournament and lost in 2,while Murray played his worst and still won easily.
I guess Novak's luck with some draws this year is kind of coming back to him now when he really needs an easy path.
RBA of today would probably even have a chance to win.
Murray is likely going to pick up his game and beat him easily,his BH is way to strong for Agut.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Murray is the player to beat. He is the top player right now that can pick his level up when he needs to.
Murray is 3.
I think he might get the long coveted AO title in 2017!
Murray is 3.
I think he might get the long coveted AO title in 2017!
Meles
Bionic Poster
Not even close by the stats. Murray much better on clay. The better 2nd serve on hard courts really adding up. Drastically better first serve game on clay the last two years. Murray was extremely lucky to snatch the US Open in 2012 (wind did it.) Looking like a favorite for WTF. His movement might have been a bit better, but the serve and a healthy back are really adding up.
Novak is not playing enough to get his game fully sharp and its going to keep costing him. Too much time off for Wimbledon. Delpo cost him a lot of play at Olympics. Now another layoff a week too long skipping Beijing for elbow. Two more weeks off then Bercy. This lighter level of play is not going to allow him to be at his best.
If Murray takes WTF, the unthinkable could happen at Australian Open. If Novak healthy he should wild card into Basel or Vienna. He could use that extra week of play a lot.
Freddy Cat
Professional
Goatista-Agut in straight sets. Goatista is the most dangerous player on tour when in peak form; more dangerous than Tsonga. Also better than peak Djokovic.
TheMuzziah
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Only peak Goatsner can beat peak Goatista.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Or Kyle Edmund.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
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Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah looking really good for him right now!
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I agree. He was peaking and becoming a genuine rival of Djokovic but the back problems and surgery just took away that rivalry from tennis. To his credit,, he's successfully come back and built up the momentum that he lost with the surgery. Djokovic still seems burnt out, and this is Murray's chance to live his dream of becoming no. 1. It's all on his racket, I think. He'll win in Vienna, and I think he can catch Novak during Paris or WTF, if he can stay focused.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Dead serious that the wind was the margin in 2012 US Open. We have are ongoing debate where you think Murray is a great hard court player and I'd maintain its his weakest SLAM surface these days. He's been and under dog in so many slam finals, that I actually view him as an extremely clutch player for most of his wins, though 2016 Wimbledon was a nice exception. Murray looks set to go on a big roll.I sincerely hope you're trolling?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Dead serious that the wind was the margin in 2012 US Open. We have are ongoing debate where you think Murray is a great hard court player and I'd maintain its his weakest SLAM surface these days. He's been and under dog in so many slam finals, that I actually view him as an extremely clutch player for most of his wins, though 2016 Wimbledon was a nice exception. Murray looks set to go on a big roll.
The wind blew on both sides of the court and the conditions were exactly the same for both players. The match went to 5 sets and Djokovic had every chance to win it. He ran out of gas in the 5th set more than Murray did and that's why he lost and Murray won. Nothing to do with any so called advantages or disadvantages from the wind or any other weather conditions. Extremely disappointed that you are still peddling this nonsense. Murray has beaten Djokovic many times on hardcourt, that US Open match was not the only one. He was ready to win it, that's all.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
You are at least right about Murray being a better grass player, which has been true his whole career. I'm not ready to hype his clay-play. His return on hard is a bit higher than on grass, which is true of all players who compete well on all surfaces. But he won almost 91% of his service games on grass this year, and he's been over 90% 6 different years.Dead serious that the wind was the margin in 2012 US Open. We have are ongoing debate where you think Murray is a great hard court player and I'd maintain its his weakest SLAM surface these days. He's been and under dog in so many slam finals, that I actually view him as an extremely clutch player for most of his wins, though 2016 Wimbledon was a nice exception. Murray looks set to go on a big roll.
His service on hard is horrible in comparison. He doesn't look like a grass player, and maybe in other eras he would not have been, but for sure grass is his best surface.
Hands down...
I'm not convinced about clay though. He did well the last two years, but I think he's better on hard.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Murray's weakness on hard is his serve, and it hurts him horribly. You can expect a player to serve better on grass and return worse, with the total results about the same. But Murray has a very good service game on grass. Why? I don't know. It's like everything works there. You have to remember that he has two chances every year to win hard slams, yet he has two grass slams.
I think Murray is a better wind player. That doesn't mean that if wind was a factor that makes a win any less of a win. Novak plays a very precise game, counter-punching. Fed has a very precise attacking style game. Both may be at their best indoors. That doesn't make either of them better.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Some good serving from Andy. Holds for 1-1.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I'm liking the way RBA is striking the ball early on. Dealing with any short ball easily. Holds for 2-1.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Wow, great point won by Andy. Love 30 here...
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Amazing stuff. Murray with the ridiculous cross-court backhand from an extremely tough position, but RBA responds with deft touch on the half volley drop shot.Great hold from RBA. 3-2.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Good match so far.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Clearly Bautista-Agut is not impressed for his 1st M1000 final, Murray will have to work for the win.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Robbie Koenig and Jason Goodall exposing Rafa right now.
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