Power Player
Bionic Poster
Measured my specs - 6 pts hl balance. 335 grams with full poly and og. Swingweight of 321. Twistweight of 13.10
2021 Yonex VCore Pro Official Thread
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smalahove
Hall of Fame
Didn’t get to measure it. Less then my 3 stock VC95.
ichaseballs
Professional
just realized my yonex sticks are essentially reverse of TW
stock 305 vcore98 317 SW --- TW @ 325
stock 310 vcp 97 322 SW --- TW @ 318
stock 305 vcore98 317 SW --- TW @ 325
stock 310 vcp 97 322 SW --- TW @ 318
10S-Junkie
Semi-Pro
Could be related to the strings. What strings and gauge are in your racquets?
Ah, Tours. My bad.
ichaseballs
Professional
strings are same across every racquet. VS/PTF
i have two vcores with the same SW and setup
T&M Returns
Rookie
Not your bad at all, I didn't specify that initially. Or that I weighted them up a bit. But it makes sense the 97H would still have less power. It has more flex, and a slightly thinner beam.
I'm happy with my PSTs so I'll stick with them.
10S-Junkie
Semi-Pro
What gauge? Thinner gauge strings are lighter and may explain the difference between your swing weights and TW's swing weights.
10S-Junkie
Semi-Pro
Is the swing weight noticeably higher compared to the HD or is it negligible?
May I also ask what your string setup is in your 97D? (Strings, gauge and tension)
ichaseballs
Professional
1.30/1.25, but its the same for all so it shouldnt be a factor. just shows you why SW is not a spec any manufacturer lists
SumYungGai
Semi-Pro
I forgot about this release. Anyone hit with the 97D yet?
thatguymattin
Semi-Pro
Hit with the 97H for a bit tonight with two different tensions, rpm blast 1.25 @59/56 and 57/54, and boy does the higher tension feel better. Which was unexpected for me because I usually string around 51-55. Racquets felt more sluggish than expected, but it’s probably me adjusting to the different timing. Really solid feeling though
baowow
Rookie
You can feel the higher swing weight and plow through which I like better then the HD. Nothing unmanageable, but also depends on your swing style. I'm using L-Tec 1.25 hybrid with Tourna synthetic armor at 43lbs.
baowow
Rookie
Short answer is yes. Nice and solid. Go buy one...LOL!
I feel like it will need some stiffer string unless someone avoids them due to some arm fatigue.
I just saw the twist weight measurements for some of the 97's, most are in the 14.5-15 range according to TWU. I guess they're really trying to make them stable & comfortable but these are ridiculously high TW's for 97's. People complained about the 2014 RF97 swinging sluggish due to the 14.9 twistweight it so they lowered for the future versions. Will be interesting to see how people like this.
Also I don't like how everyone is trying to make their rackets super flexible.
Also I don't like how everyone is trying to make their rackets super flexible.
Syfo-Dias
Professional
The new VCORE Pro 97 has a TW of 14.2 with a SW of only 318. That seems like the best of both worlds to me.
This is my concern about the 97D. I have the HD which is supposedly 14 twist-weight. The new D is supposed be 15 twist-weight. I don't know what that's going to feel like.
SumYungGai
Semi-Pro
The HD felt too flexy for me.
My guess is that since a lot of players are using thin poly's they made the twistweight higher than normal to compensate for that.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I added lead at 3 and 9 on mine and that was a bad idea from my court time this AM. Frame was sluggish and clunky. I prefer mine stock so far. Specs posted in my prior posting.
That's a fairly low twistweight, on TWU the twistweight for their batch was ~13.8 surprised you didn't need lead
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Im not 100% on my twistweight measuring skills. Ill update that measurement soon.
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
It’s actually 14.23, 13.8 was another version.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Im questioning the accuracy of twus measurements. Not saying they are wrong. Just saying that this SW1 machine is accurate as hell on swing weight and i think it may be pretty good on twistweight too. More to come there when i dial it in.
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
On the 2018-2019 VCP310s, I found there was a fine line between not having enough lead for adequate stability and having too much where one lost that incredible maneuverability. I was wondering if the new one wouldn’t require lead, because of the slightly thicker beam and (theoretically) higher twistweight.
Syfo-Dias
Professional
I'll be curious to see if the 97 (310) is stable enough without needing lead tape. I typically play with the 330 for the stability, but having a lighter alternative in my bag would be nice for those days when I'm not 100% on my game. IMO any player's racquet should be stable enough on its own without needing lead, so hopefully Yonex figured it out this time.
SumYungGai
Semi-Pro
I played with the green 97 310, and imo it's exactly that. Just stable enough. I really liked the feel.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
It definitely is in my experience. Crazy solid at net.
Started playing with my 97 310 over the weekend. It honestly just feels like a more arm-friendly, more stable 2021 Vcore 95.
I needed to weight up my 95 but all I did was put an overgrip on this one and its good to go!
Unfortunately, both the new 95 and this new 97 aren't as spin friendly as the previous model Vcore Pro HD...
I needed to weight up my 95 but all I did was put an overgrip on this one and its good to go!
Unfortunately, both the new 95 and this new 97 aren't as spin friendly as the previous model Vcore Pro HD...
SumYungGai
Semi-Pro
Exactly how I felt as well. I'll probably end up selling my 95 sometime soon.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Huh, to me they play different. the Vcore 95 is much more direct and the Vcore Pro is more launchy and seems really good for grinding, while the Vc95 is an attacking frame. Ill see if that changes over time.
Possibly QC related?
For reference, my 95 was strung with 1.30 VS gut mains @ 50 and 1.25 4G Soft crosses @ 47 while my 97 has 1.25 Hyper G Soft mains @ 48 and 1.22Ghostwire Crosses @ 45.
inseedious
New User
To anyone who has hit with VCP 97 310 in both 2019 and 2021 versions: do you think there’s any noticeable difference in control? I love 2019 VCP for its extreme control.
ryushen21
Legend
Say what? I haven't played the new 97 but the current VCore 95 is definitely more spin-friendly than the previous 97HD.
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
Not even TW knows why. They commented on the review that they didn’t know why but that was the retail price Yonex listed them at.
ryushen21
Legend
It has more holes.
Syfo-Dias
Professional
Speed holes makes it go faster lol
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
It's probably the best seller.
ryushen21
Legend
Doubtful. These days the 18x20s are made to appease the old farts who won't let them go. I do wish there were more 16x20 offerings.
Nate7-5
Hall of Fame
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
It was the only sold out of the VCPHD where I live. On the other hand maybe they manufacture less HD than the rest and that could increment costs perhaps?
And yeah 16x20 would be great across all the Yonex lines it would kind of feel like their (Yonex ) pattern.
ryushen21
Legend
I wish the 97D WAS 16x20.
16x20 is the most slept-on pattern in the industry. It's practical perfection yet so few frames have it.
I currently play with 2018 and 2019 VCP 97 330’s.
I have big, flattish strokes and when I originally demoed the 2018 VCP 330 & 310, I had a strong preference for the 330. I might have been able to weight the 310 into something that felt good for me, but the 330 just felt great with no customization at all, so I’ve been playing with that racquet for about 3 years now.
Lately though, I’ve been experimenting with my forehand mechanics a bit, moving in the direction of a bit more whip and for the first time the weight of the 330 is starting to feel like a thing. So from what I’ve been reading and hearing about the 2021 VCP 97 model, I’m curious whether it will play with more stability than the 2018 VCP 97 310, but come around a bit quicker than my 330’s.
Demos (2021 VCP 97 & 97H) arrived yesterday and I strung them up with my current preferred hybrid of solinco confidential 18 mains and solinco hyper-g soft 18 crosses, both at 50 lbs.
I don’t have access to a swing weight machine so I did the manual swingweight measurements from TW.
EDIT: updated swingweights using the swingtool ipad app:
All these measurements are strung and with an overgrip and sampras dampener (and the 2018 #2 racquet is my experimental one and is currently strung differently from all the others [full bed toroline wasabi green]).
The unstrung static weight for the 97 was 309.4g and the 97H was 328g (I forgot to measure the unstrung balance).
I’ll get a chance to hit with the demos this afternoon.
I have big, flattish strokes and when I originally demoed the 2018 VCP 330 & 310, I had a strong preference for the 330. I might have been able to weight the 310 into something that felt good for me, but the 330 just felt great with no customization at all, so I’ve been playing with that racquet for about 3 years now.
Lately though, I’ve been experimenting with my forehand mechanics a bit, moving in the direction of a bit more whip and for the first time the weight of the 330 is starting to feel like a thing. So from what I’ve been reading and hearing about the 2021 VCP 97 model, I’m curious whether it will play with more stability than the 2018 VCP 97 310, but come around a bit quicker than my 330’s.
Demos (2021 VCP 97 & 97H) arrived yesterday and I strung them up with my current preferred hybrid of solinco confidential 18 mains and solinco hyper-g soft 18 crosses, both at 50 lbs.
I don’t have access to a swing weight machine so I did the manual swingweight measurements from TW.
EDIT: updated swingweights using the swingtool ipad app:
All these measurements are strung and with an overgrip and sampras dampener (and the 2018 #2 racquet is my experimental one and is currently strung differently from all the others [full bed toroline wasabi green]).
The unstrung static weight for the 97 was 309.4g and the 97H was 328g (I forgot to measure the unstrung balance).
I’ll get a chance to hit with the demos this afternoon.
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ryushen21
Legend
Try it without the dampener. You might be surprised.I currently play with 2018 and 2019 VCP 97 330’s.
I have big, flattish strokes and when I originally demoed the 2018 VCP 330 & 310, I had a strong preference for the 330. I might have been able to weight the 310 into something that felt good for me, but the 330 just felt great with no customization at all, so I’ve been playing with that racquet for about 3 years now.
Lately though, I’ve been experimenting with my forehand mechanics a bit, moving in the direction of a bit more whip and for the first time the weight of the 330 is starting to feel like a thing. So from what I’ve been reading and hearing about the 2021 VCP 97 model, I’m curious whether it will play with more stability than the 2018 VCP 97 310, but come around a bit quicker than my 330’s.
Demos (2021 VCP 97 & 97H) arrived yesterday and I strung them up with my current preferred hybrid of solinco confidential 18 mains and solinco hyper-g soft 18 crosses, both at 50 lbs.
I don’t have access to a swing weight machine so I did the manual swingweight measurements from TW.
All these measurements are strung and with an overgrip and sampras dampener (and the 2018 #2 racquet is my experimental one and is currently strung differently from all the others [full bed toroline wasabi green]).
The unstrung static weight for the 97 was 309.4g and the 97H was 328g (I forgot to measure the unstrung balance).
I’ll get a chance to hit with the demos this afternoon.
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
Dang, the SW in the 97 H is massive. Is that stock, or did you add weight to it? Same question for the 2021 310 version, which you’ve listed at 329-stock or with mods?I currently play with 2018 and 2019 VCP 97 330’s.
I have big, flattish strokes and when I originally demoed the 2018 VCP 330 & 310, I had a strong preference for the 330. I might have been able to weight the 310 into something that felt good for me, but the 330 just felt great with no customization at all, so I’ve been playing with that racquet for about 3 years now.
Lately though, I’ve been experimenting with my forehand mechanics a bit, moving in the direction of a bit more whip and for the first time the weight of the 330 is starting to feel like a thing. So from what I’ve been reading and hearing about the 2021 VCP 97 model, I’m curious whether it will play with more stability than the 2018 VCP 97 310, but come around a bit quicker than my 330’s.
Demos (2021 VCP 97 & 97H) arrived yesterday and I strung them up with my current preferred hybrid of solinco confidential 18 mains and solinco hyper-g soft 18 crosses, both at 50 lbs.
I don’t have access to a swing weight machine so I did the manual swingweight measurements from TW.
All these measurements are strung and with an overgrip and sampras dampener (and the 2018 #2 racquet is my experimental one and is currently strung differently from all the others [full bed toroline wasabi green]).
The unstrung static weight for the 97 was 309.4g and the 97H was 328g (I forgot to measure the unstrung balance).
I’ll get a chance to hit with the demos this afternoon.
LOL, I regularly do try without the dampener when it flies out and I always AM surprised, but not in a good way...
Seriously though, I’ve never tried playing without a dampener long enough to get used to it. Maybe someday, but in the middle of demoing new frames I don’t want to change anything other than the frames.
No modding on either frame other than what I wrote: strung, wilson overgrip, sampras dampener. But you should definitely take those stringweight measurements with a big grain of salt (as I am) because I have no idea how close to accurate you can get with a tape measure and trying to manually time how long it takes for the racquet to swing back and forth 10 times.
