SupahMan5000
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do you break strings? in an open pattern like Vcore i cant justify using gut ever
2023 Yonex VCores
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do you break strings? in an open pattern like Vcore i cant justify using gut ever
Federerkblade
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The other reason to use gut as a man and not a cross is now I remember
the playability of a frame is primarily dicatated by the mains so if you are spending that much you have to be fairly wealthy to keep going for it as a cross
the main advantages of gut I would put as a main , however it’s a big chnage from a full Poly intitially or can be
I woood never put gut in say the 100 but the 95 seems fairly reasonable . I don’t think I’m going to like it as a Poly . I may try the blue PTP at a lower tension first and see how I go ..
Maybe 46/44
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Federerkblade
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Looks great is this a 98 ? Must be a 95 as you were asking me about 95 last nightI went with 48lbs, as seen in image.
Federerkblade
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Iv ordered a set of Vs touch 1.30 that was last set and they said babolat were out of stock them selves …
will prob string it with vs mains 54 and Alu soft 51…
won’t be for a while but I hope that’s the correct initial tension to go with ….
with touch being ultra soft or not stiff the higher 54 lbs should be counter reactive at a higher tension and replicate a lower tension of say stringing a poly at lower tensions for pocketing
will prob string it with vs mains 54 and Alu soft 51…
won’t be for a while but I hope that’s the correct initial tension to go with ….
with touch being ultra soft or not stiff the higher 54 lbs should be counter reactive at a higher tension and replicate a lower tension of say stringing a poly at lower tensions for pocketing
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Federerkblade
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Looking forward to your thoughts , are you a one hander and what surface will you play on
power pads wow , how do they feel , never tried it , replicate anything we can relate to
power pads wow , how do they feel , never tried it , replicate anything we can relate to
KC!
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Hi everyone, I'm from Chile !I've been reading them for several months so I decided to register
I bought the Vcore 98 2023, I've played only once with it, the game lasted 1:30 hours and at first it was hard for me to get used to it, but the last 15 minutes I already felt more comfortable with the game.
unfortunately the next day my arm hurt, I don't know if it was the type of string, I'm playing at 52 pounds with Polytour spin 1.25, I didn't like it at all, maybe it could be a very hard string? Any recommendations for this racket? I want to swing the racket. Does anyone know what the procedure is like? It would be great if someone has photos where the weight is placed precisely or some video, I am attentive to your comments.
greetings to all
Full bed of Poly Tour Spin very stiff. Either hybrid with multi or try Poly Tour Pro or Rev. They are both much more comfortable strings.
| Property | Yonex Poly Tour Spin G 1.25 | Yonex Poly Tour Pro Yellow 16L (1.25) | Difference % |
|---|---|---|---|
| Material | Polyester | Polyester | NA |
| Stiffness (lb/in) | 237 | 181 | -24 |
| Tension Loss (%) | 26 | 47 | 81 |
| Energy Return (%) | 90 | 86 | -4 |
| Spin Potential | 4.8 | NA | NA |
| String to String Friction (COF) | 0.104 | NA | NA |
| String to Ball Friction (COF) | 0.497 | NA | NA |
| Property | Yonex Poly Tour Spin G 1.25 | Yonex Polytour Rev 16L (1.25) | Difference % |
|---|---|---|---|
| Material | Polyester | Polyester | NA |
| Stiffness (lb/in) | 237 | 193 | -19 |
| Tension Loss (%) | 26 | 34 | 31 |
| Energy Return (%) | 90 | 88 | -2 |
| Spin Potential | 4.8 | 7.2 | 50 |
| String to String Friction (COF) | 0.104 | 0.074 | -29 |
| String to Ball Friction (COF) | 0.497 | 0.533 | 7 |
Federerkblade
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This is where I learnt the gut mains from , it was a from a post of TT member
Advantages of each
Gut in mains:
Has better playability duration, better comfort, easier access to spin, easier power, higher launch angle and better feel.
Gut in crosses:
Has a lower launch angle and better control.
Disadvantages of each
Gut in mains: can break on mishits
Gut in crosses: playability duration is awful, due to the terrible string movement in the mains' range of motion. The poly mains will get stuck in place quickly which dramatically reduces the access to spin and decreases comfort. This setup is "a waste of natural gut" (as the stringers at P1 say, some of the best stringers in the world) as it decreases the playability duration of the best string in this regard (natural gut), which makes the stringjob not worth its high cost for rec players.
Polys advantage lies in their slickness which promotes string movement and spin and they can only perform that role in the crosses, not in the mains.
Advantages of each
Gut in mains:
Has better playability duration, better comfort, easier access to spin, easier power, higher launch angle and better feel.
Gut in crosses:
Has a lower launch angle and better control.
Disadvantages of each
Gut in mains: can break on mishits
Gut in crosses: playability duration is awful, due to the terrible string movement in the mains' range of motion. The poly mains will get stuck in place quickly which dramatically reduces the access to spin and decreases comfort. This setup is "a waste of natural gut" (as the stringers at P1 say, some of the best stringers in the world) as it decreases the playability duration of the best string in this regard (natural gut), which makes the stringjob not worth its high cost for rec players.
Polys advantage lies in their slickness which promotes string movement and spin and they can only perform that role in the crosses, not in the mains.
Federerkblade
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Fantastic what’s your set up going to be
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Federerkblade
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Looks great and being a stringer you will find the best set up quicklyYes, I have a OHBH same with my forehand, LOL!
what do you suggest I string vs touch 1.30 mains on the 95 and Alu power soft at crosses with the 95 for an indoor set up ?
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Federerkblade
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Will be an interesting comparison to your blade tonight stock
Lux is coated
Really depends on your stroke and how hard you hit. For me, I would start at 52/49 and adjust from there in the 95. I would also use 1.25 gut with 1.20 crosses in a 95 16x20 but, again, that's just my preference. Haven't hit with the 23 95 but I did use the 21 95 for a good year before moving to the VCP.
Really depends on your stroke and how hard you hit. For me, I would start at 52/49 and adjust from there in the 95. I would also use 1.25 gut with 1.20 crosses in a 95 16x20 but, again, that's just my preference. Haven't hit with the 23 95 but I did use the 21 95 for a good year before moving to the VCP.
Federerkblade
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Wow thanks
I never thought about starting that low simply because it has so much lead on it now and must be at least 335 sw and will be a wigh a heavier 1.30 and 1.25 cross .
i also did not think about a 1.25 because the string spacing is quite wide for a 95 and comparable to an ezone 98
I thought about 54/51 but then looked at pkayers tensions and they are using 59 mains and 61 mains and thought maybe 56.5 /53.5 would be a good starting point ..
the last thing I want is for the ball to flying to the back fence .
on reflection I wish yonex had made one significant chnage to the 95 and that was to replicate the throat thickness exactly the same on the 95 as they did the 100
from memory I may be wrong but the v core 95d has a thick throat
I never thought about starting that low simply because it has so much lead on it now and must be at least 335 sw and will be a wigh a heavier 1.30 and 1.25 cross .
i also did not think about a 1.25 because the string spacing is quite wide for a 95 and comparable to an ezone 98
I thought about 54/51 but then looked at pkayers tensions and they are using 59 mains and 61 mains and thought maybe 56.5 /53.5 would be a good starting point ..
the last thing I want is for the ball to flying to the back fence .
on reflection I wish yonex had made one significant chnage to the 95 and that was to replicate the throat thickness exactly the same on the 95 as they did the 100
from memory I may be wrong but the v core 95d has a thick throat
Power Player
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It does. It was actually an uncomfortable frame to me (I think due to the throat stiffness), which sucked because I really liked it. But it lead me to the Vcore xi 98 from that year and I loved that one, so it worked out in the end.
Despite the cringy, click-bait title and polarizing thumbnail, here's an interesting take on the '23 VC95 from a guy who appears as though he can hit a fairly clean ball:
The "flaw" he's pointing out is nothing new to most of us who have played previous VC95's: a distinct power drop-off outside the sweet spot in the mid and lower part of the string bed. A bit disappointing, although not entirely surprising that it carries on with the current-gen.
He also mentioned that this issue is a bit endemic to the tear-drop shaped frames in general (Gravity and others) and that if the manufacturers are going to continue to persist with this head shape, then they need to figure out a way to deal with the issue better. IMHO, a very relevant point, which he makes respectfully but also point-blank.
On the plus side, he did mention the much better feel in the '23 than the '21, and the scalpel-like qualities across the board.
Overall, certainly something for more discussion.
The "flaw" he's pointing out is nothing new to most of us who have played previous VC95's: a distinct power drop-off outside the sweet spot in the mid and lower part of the string bed. A bit disappointing, although not entirely surprising that it carries on with the current-gen.
He also mentioned that this issue is a bit endemic to the tear-drop shaped frames in general (Gravity and others) and that if the manufacturers are going to continue to persist with this head shape, then they need to figure out a way to deal with the issue better. IMHO, a very relevant point, which he makes respectfully but also point-blank.
On the plus side, he did mention the much better feel in the '23 than the '21, and the scalpel-like qualities across the board.
Overall, certainly something for more discussion.
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Federerkblade
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Great review prob the best one Iv seen so far on the 95
I noticed this slight drop off on the 100 also so it will be more extreme on the 95 . I think it’s begging to be strung low
I noticed this slight drop off on the 100 also so it will be more extreme on the 95 . I think it’s begging to be strung low
SupahMan5000
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sorry yall, ill be taking a break from the Vcore and using my very limited time to play with the new Radicals , the paintjob is irresistible
Federerkblade
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We lost one
He'll be back.
Federerkblade
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Is the ITF season or if you are part of it then you are pro ? As the reviewer is getting ready for ITF tennis
Recoveringhobo
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This guy's racquet journey mirrors my own. From the different iterations of the Babolat Pure Storms to the Wilson 6.1 95s to Yonex VCORE SV95s and beyond. Currently playing the with '21 VC95 but realizing I probably could use more pop at my level of 5.0. I think there is a lot of us who are used to and like the feel of classic thin box beamed frames, are looking to update to modern spin + power frames, but haven't found one that ticks all those boxes.
I mean, with all due respect, it’s a 95 sq inch head size so typically if you hit outside the sweet spot, you get nothing from it. You can’t have you cake and eat it too.
flanker2000fr
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This makes sense. The only reason why I could see someone putting gut in the crosses is to soften the stringbed compared to a full bed of poly. But the (much) harder poly main, even if round in profile, will start fraying the gut cross pretty quickly, and the playability duration will be below average. Given the cost of gut, people looking at this set-up would be better off putting a multi in the crosses. Playability duration will still not be great, but at least they won't spend a fortune.
If using gut in a hybrid, the sensible set-up would be to use them in the mains, and use an extremely slick round poly in the cross to facilitate the mains movement. Now, if one is really a string breaker, it's still not going to last very long, but it will maximize the properties of both strings.
@DD22 - I agree with you in general, but I think the main emphasis was more so on the amount of drop-off and the lopsidedness of the location. A good chunk of the more conventionally-shaped 95's have more of a level gradient in power drop and of course drop power more symmetrically from top to bottom of the hoop. That said, I realize I'm splitting hairs past a certain point, and your overarching point remains that if it's a 95 you want, there will be compromises along these lines, with any model.
leojramirez
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If you can mentally cope with the wider bram width try the Prince ATS 98. I mean, its not too bad, but noticeable. That frame has enough pop to compete with similar level players using babs and with 8 strings on the throat its controlled enough. Definately less erratic than the 21 vcore.
Federerkblade
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Makes sense the strong choice I think is also interesting for the 95 I don’t think it suits yellow
how was your hit at 48lbs ?I went with 48lbs, as seen in image.
SupahMan5000
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i exclusively used gut in crosses because with 15L VS it felt more comfortable, had more power than multi, lasted mcuh longer that it was actually more economical than multi (VS lasted 3-5 hits, X-1 lasted 1-2 hits), and that feel is unreplicated even in a cross.
I personalyl don't believe in using something a certain way to maximize utility although I udnerstand why you would at $50+ a pack. If something is not economical I simply avoid it in its entirety rather than try to make it work
edit to add: I used to get VS at $40 a pack and X-one at 15 ish. maybe not more economical but at minimum even or only a slight upcharge for unmatched feel
flanker2000fr
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Well, 3-5 hits in a hybrid going at > $30 a pop is too rich for my blood, but good for you if it worked.
SupahMan5000
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I was really really driven in juniors especially during recruiting times, I tried to squeeze every oppurtnity I could to find the best feeling and playing racket, once recruiting was over I stuck to full poly
Federerkblade
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Can anyone compare or have a comparison with the exone 100 versus the v core 100 ?
Federerkblade
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which model
Yeah, I'd say 98 and 100 both have 2023 as preferred stick. Jury still out on 95 but perhaps 2021 might be preferred by some.
flanker2000fr
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The guy is obvioulsy a very good player, and makes really interesting points.
As for the drop in power in the mid to lower part of the stringbed, it's probably a small issue for those of us who consistently hit high in the hoop. I'd be happy with a trade off where I get more tolerance, stability and power in the upper hoop, at the expense of a drop of those in the lower hoop.
But maybe this is just specific to me. My favorite ever racquet is a 75 sq. in. Kneissl White Star Masters 10, which I would still use if it wasn't so tiring and require a footwork my legs are no longer capable of. Whenever I pick it up, it still feels the most natural to me, and when you superimpose it on top of a modern 95 sq.in. frame, the middle of its stringbed is on the top 3rd of the 95. Which certainly explains why whenever I break a string, it is always one of the 4 central mains, located between the 4th and the 7th cross.
Anyway, I have a couple of Vcore 95's under way from TW Europe, so I'll get to see soon enough for myself.
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FuzzyYellowBalls
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Yes, if you miss the sweetpot other than maybe the occasional shank of an overhead or going rambo on a first serve for some reason, the vc 95 is like most rackets, not that great.
But, if missing the sweetpot or even realizing it is really dead outside of it, thinking a racket isn't stable on "off center hits" as some reviewers can mention, if that is even a part of a tennis game, I wouldn't make things more difficult by not using a 98 or 100.
The guy in the video is the type of player that wouldn't have a huge problem at all with off center hits.
Federerkblade
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It seems a frame with a certain poly you could easily use low 40s without fearing the ball is going to fly all over the place
FuzzyYellowBalls
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How many of those do you still have, that's a classic!
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codonnell
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The 98s my bad! D:
flanker2000fr
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I hardly played any tennis at all between age 19 and age 46, and when I started playing again, I spent nights tracking those old frames all over the internet. At this stage, I have pretty much every layup and paintjob available for that mold, both in Adidas and Kneissl. I must have between 15 and 20 of them. Now, the only one that's actually playable for me is a made in Brazil Kneissl White Star Master 10 with the 1987 cosmetics, that came in a SL4 configuration. It "only" weighs 350g strung with Triax 1.33, inclusive of overgrip and dampener. All of the other ones range from 360g to 400g strung.
flanker2000fr
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Exactly. Combine this with the fact that we all have different swing paths and games, and it's going to be a real issue for some players, and a complete non issue for others.
Federerkblade
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I think the conclusion from what I’ve seen and Iv seen nearly all videos if not all
the new 98 is better than previous version
Any 4.5+ players able to chime in with their preferred full bed poly tension and lead setup for the 98? Currently at 47M/45X and 2g at 10/2 and butt each. Trying 2g at 12 and 3/9 next. Thinking 10/2 will probably end up being the best to add upper hoop stability which is where I hit and what this racket was designed around.
For reference, I think it swings much faster than an Ezone 98 (bought 2020 and 2022). Launch angle is a bit erratic for me still but I’ll figure it out soon enough. Ezone with the 16/19 closed pattern is way more reliable for flat hitting. The open pattern on the 98 requires topspin to keep the ball in, not sure if I’m a fan of it yet or not. At least it’s making me play less like an idiot and prevents me from straight blasting balls with the Ezone. It does hit a mean ball when you get enough top on it, the arc is fun to watch.
For reference, I think it swings much faster than an Ezone 98 (bought 2020 and 2022). Launch angle is a bit erratic for me still but I’ll figure it out soon enough. Ezone with the 16/19 closed pattern is way more reliable for flat hitting. The open pattern on the 98 requires topspin to keep the ball in, not sure if I’m a fan of it yet or not. At least it’s making me play less like an idiot and prevents me from straight blasting balls with the Ezone. It does hit a mean ball when you get enough top on it, the arc is fun to watch.
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