Best outside slams?

[Deleted member 757377]

Connors:

1 YEC
2 WCT Finals
17 Masters
81 minor titles

Djokovic:

5 YEC
32 Masters
whole set of 9
21 minor titles

Federer:

6 YEC
27 Masters
46 minor titles

Lendl:

5 YEC
2 WCT Finals
22 Masters
whole set of 9
57 minor titles

McEnroe:

3 YEC
5 WCT Finals
19 Masters
46 minor titles

Nadal:

1 olympic gold
33 masters
29 minor titles

Sampras

5 YEC
2 GS Cup
11 Masters
32 minor titles

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Connors/Lendl in the earlier days, Djokovic now. Tough to make a direct comparison given how much the tour structure changed.

 

[RaulRamirez]

So many ways to look at this, and both Connors and Lendl's should probably be valued higher, but it still comes down to The Big 3 for me. There are different ways to view this - outside of the "slams".

Overall winning percentage, though close: 1. Rafa 2. Novak 3. Roger
Overall titles (at any level): 1. Roger 2. Rafa 3. Novak
Big Titles (outside of "slams") 1. Novak 2. Rafa 3. Roger
Longevity at the top: 1. Roger 2. Rafa 3. Novak (but obviously, Fed is older)
(Debatable) Overall accomplishments per time on tour: 1. Novak 2. Rafa 3. Roger

 

[Deleted member 757377]

To me it's either Djokovic or Lendl, but I choose Djokovic because his masters had a complete field.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Tough to make a direct comparison given how much the tour structure changed.

Exactly. Connors skipped tons of Masters then because they were BO5 and no one especially valued them. Very similar to players routinely skipping the AO until Lendl really prioritized it in 1982-83.

 

[Sport]

Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[Wrecker]

Best outside Slams is so obviously Zverev. Cant believe you missed him

 

[TennisFan97068]

Tough choice between Lendl and Djokovic.

 

[KINGROGER]

Lendl. Djokovic for modern day.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Probably Lendl and Nadal.

Lendl won over 50 titles with at least a bo5 final format, and all of his yec were of the REAL and prestigious bo5 final variety, as were his 2 wct finals.

Rafa has one of the most rounded and impressive resume's with 33 ms1000's, 4 Dc's, singles and doubles gold, and 20 atp 500's.

 

[True Fanerer]

To me it's either Djokovic or Lendl, but I choose Djokovic because his masters had a complete field.

A complete field of mugs about half the time.

 

[True Fanerer]

I give it to Djokovic though. It sure isn't Nadal

 

[Phoenix1983]

Lendl IMHO.

 

[Mr Feeny]

For sure Lendl or Sasha zverev

 

[TennisFan97068]

Rafa has one of the most rounded and impressive resume's .

LOL

 

[Towny]

Can't say I know enough about the specifics of the non-slam tournaments Lendl won to make a fair comparison. I think Djokovic takes it overall, however the change to BO3 finals and 1st round byes in masters does slightly complicate things

 

[maratha_warrior]

Most Nadal and fed fans used to compliment djokovic by that phrase
'' Major in minors ''
So there is no doubt, this award definately goes to Djoker

 

[Xavier G]

Lendl and Djokovic are top two, I think and it's pretty close. I'll give it to Lendl right now.
The structure of the tour in the 80's was different though with the WCT circuit etc.

 

[MeatTornado]

I've never seen a player take the Masters events more seriously than Novak Djokovic. He really raised the bar this generation for all out 11 month effort.

But I'm sure it helps mentally & physically that none of them are Bo5 anymore, of course.

 

[Red Rick]

Have a hard time rating the WCT

 

[Rafa4GOAT]

Anyone know how much BO5 masters Rafa has vs Nole?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Anyone know how much BO5 masters Rafa has vs Nole?

5 (MC, Rome 05/06, Madrid 05) vs 1 (Miami 07). Three of Nadal's five finals went to a deciding 5th set TB and he took them all - now that's an actual feat of great clutchness that's rarely mentioned, unlike say the overrated GS SF stat.
The epic final wins are probably worth 1 extra title on aggregate.

 

[FHtennisman]

Djokovic.

 

[MichaelNadal]

King Rafa.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

King Rafa.

Definitely Novak come on bruh

 

[I Am Finnish]

Fedr

 

[MichaelNadal]

Definitely Novak come on bruh

Nah I admit im being a stan. It's Djokovic, but not DEFINITELY. Nadal still has more masters and 8 more minor titles, there's a convo about it but yeah, Imhotep if im being honest.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Means very little. It's essentially a bridesmaid feel-good award.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Means very little. It's essentially a bridesmaid feel-good award.

Lol masters, WTF, and any ATP titles for that matter, don't matter?

 

[ABCD]

Lol masters, WTF, and any ATP titles for that matter, don't matter?

If you have time calculate how much money they earned by playing slams and how much money they earned by playing non-slams.

 

[MichaelNadal]

If you have time calculate how much money they earned by playing slams and how much money they earned by playing non-slams.

You must have me confused for Ambk when I leave work my day has zero tennis involved in it

 

[mika1979]

Probably Lendl and Nadal.

Lendl won over 50 titles with at least a bo5 final format, and all of his yec were of the REAL and prestigious bo5 final variety, as were his 2 wct finals.

Rafa has one of the most rounded and impressive resume's with 33 ms1000's, 4 Dc's, singles and doubles gold, and 20 atp 500's.

Not really Olympic gold is not that big and he has zero wtfs

 

[Luka888]

Overall, IMO it is Djokovic but Lendl must be mentioned here too.

 

[NatF]

Lendl and Djokovic are top two, I think and it's pretty close. I'll give it to Lendl right now.
The structure of the tour in the 80's was different though with the WCT circuit etc.

Lendl and Connors actually won something like 150 events in total. Definitely going with Lendl here.

 

[Luka888]

Lendl and Connors actually won something like 150 events in total. Definitely going with Lendl here.

The only problem with Connors is that he was playing everywhere, anytime, all the time ... tournaments with 3 rounds, no rounds, WTA tournametns, alien tournaments, one before his breakfast, one after his lunch and another one before he went to bed .

 

[NatF]

The only problem with Connors is that he was playing everywhere, anytime, all the time ... tournaments with 3 rounds, no rounds, WTA tournametns, alien tournaments, one before his breakfast, one after his lunck and another one before he went to bed .

Indeed, but all the players did it in those days. Some of those events don't really deserve recognition but some of them do IMO.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Indeed, but all the players did it in those days. Some of those events don't really deserve recognition...

At least 10 right?

 

[Mark-Touch]

Lol masters, WTF, and any ATP titles for that matter, don't matter?

What's the first thing you look at when checking out a player's record?
I don't know about you, but I always go straight for their slam timeline.
That's usually where I stop too.

Slam bam, thank you Ma'am!

 

[KG1965]

Connors:

1 YEC
2 WCT Finals
17 Masters
81 minor titles

Djokovic:

5 YEC
32 Masters
whole set of 9
21 minor titles

Federer:

6 YEC
27 Masters
46 minor titles

Lendl:

5 YEC
2 WCT Finals
22 Masters
whole set of 9
57 minor titles

McEnroe:

3 YEC
5 WCT Finals
19 Masters
46 minor titles

Nadal:

1 olympic gold
33 masters
29 minor titles

Sampras

5 YEC
2 GS Cup
11 Masters
32 minor titles

Connors, McEnroe and Lendl didn't win Masters 1000.
Masters 1000 of Wiki are fake.

 

[Mainad]

Connors, McEnroe and Lendl didn't win Masters 1000.
Masters 1000 of Wiki are fake.

Exactly. The 9 Masters Series properly began in 1990 which is when the ATP starts recording the stats.

 

[junior74]

It's a Lew thread, and the only correct answer to a Lew thread, is Djokovic

However, if a Lew thread is created to put a player in a negative light, the correct answer is always Federer

 

[Mark-Touch]

It's a Lew thread, and the only correct answer to a Lew thread, is Djokovic

However, if a Lew thread is created to put a player in a negative light, the correct answer is always Federer

How Low can Lew go?

 

[junior74]

The only problem with Connors is that he was playing everywhere, anytime, all the time ... tournaments with 3 rounds, no rounds, WTA tournametns, alien tournaments, one before his breakfast, one after his lunch and another one before he went to bed .

In between all mentioned, he drank beer and scored. What a hunk

 

[Jonas78]

It's a Lew thread, and the only correct answer to a Lew thread, is Djokovic

However, if a Lew thread is created to put a player in a negative light, the correct answer is always Federer

For once, the right answer probably is Djokovic

 

[KG1965]

Outside slams?

1) Pancho Gonzalez or Rod Laver or Kenny Rosewall
4) Jimbo Connors, John McEnroe, Ivan Lendl, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Nole Djokovic

 

[Another Tourist]

There are two type of tournaments. Tournaments where, theoreticly, all the best players enters and tournaments where not all of the best players enters. Second group you call minor and all others are first group. Do not pay attention to minor and everything will be simple and clear.

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[KineticChain]

Lol masters, WTF, and any ATP titles for that matter, don't matter?

 

[Sudacafan]

Connors:

1 YEC
2 WCT Finals
17 Masters
81 minor titles

Djokovic:

5 YEC
32 Masters
whole set of 9
21 minor titles

Federer:

6 YEC
27 Masters
46 minor titles

Lendl:

5 YEC
2 WCT Finals
22 Masters
whole set of 9
57 minor titles

McEnroe:

3 YEC
5 WCT Finals
19 Masters
46 minor titles

Nadal:

1 olympic gold
33 masters
29 minor titles

Sampras

5 YEC
2 GS Cup
11 Masters
32 minor titles

This is what I call a poll that everybody knows the answer before it starts.
Like the ones the political parties pay for.

 

[timnz]

Lendl and Djokovic are top two, I think and it's pretty close. I'll give it to Lendl right now.
The structure of the tour in the 80's was different though with the WCT circuit etc.

Yes and some of Lendl's achievements aren't listed in his official achievements but still were solid achievements. Like being a 5 time winner of the European Community championship (Antwerp), when I think it was the biggest pay day in tennis