Best player never to reach a Grand Slam final (male)

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I was a big fan of Leconte when he was on tour, but since I've started tracking stats on older matches I've sort of been underwhelmed by his play, not as many winners as I recalled. And his movement is odd, perhaps because he's bowlegged? I could see how that could have held him back from greater heights.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
When looking at this it's usually talent vs. achievement.

Davydenko is a near run aeay in terms of career. If for no other reason than being stopped by Federer. 3 of his 4 Slam Semis were against Federer and argument could be made in the USO he was the 2nd best player those tournaments.

He also lost a 5 set semi-final to Puerta in the 05 French up 2-1. Course later we know Puerta was a doper. The 2006 Aussie Open saw a very tight 4 set quarter with Federer where had he won he'd have faced Kieger and then Baghdatis.

He won a WTF, 3 Masters and was a YE #3, 4 and twice at #5. That speaks for itself.

Now for overall talent? Probably Grosjean. He reached a career high #4 and his 2001 season at age 23 was pretty hot. He lost in the Aussie semi-final to Clement in 5 sets after leading 2-0. Then the French semi-final to Corretja in 3 solid sets. Then made tge WTF Final losing to Hewitt. He made back to back Wimby semi-finals in 03-04.
 

ttwarrior1

Hall of Fame
Raúl Ramírez (born 20 June 1953) is a retired Mexican professional tennis player. He was active during the 1970s and 1980s, and is regarded as one of the great all-around players of the modern era.[citation needed] Ramírez was also the first player to finish first in both singles and doubles Grand Prix point standings, accomplishing the feat in 1976. He attended and played tennis at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.[1]
 

jean pierre

Professional
Raúl Ramírez (born 20 June 1953) is a retired Mexican professional tennis player. He was active during the 1970s and 1980s, and is regarded as one of the great all-around players of the modern era.[citation needed] Ramírez was also the first player to finish first in both singles and doubles Grand Prix point standings, accomplishing the feat in 1976. He attended and played tennis at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.[1]


Great player. SF in French Open 1976 and 1977, and also I think one time in US Open. But he never reached a Grand Slam final.
 

TheAverageFedererFan

Professional
ALL THESE PLAYERS LOST IN THE SF ONLY
Nikolay Davydenko (Best Chance was in 2005 RG. Lost to Puerta)
Tim Henman (Best Chance was in 2001 WIM. Lost to Ivanisevic)
Andres Jarryd (Best Chance was in 1985 WIM. Lost to Jarryd)
Tommy Haas (Best Chance was in 2002 AO. Lost to Safin)
Sebastian Grosjean (Best Chance was in 2003 AO. Lost to Philippoussis)
Magnus Larsson (Best Chance was in 1994 RG. Lost to Berasategui)
Raul Ramirez (Best Chance was in 1976 RG. Lost to Solomon)
John Alexander (Best Chance was in 1978 AO. Lost to Gerulaitis)
Andrei Chesnokov (Best Chance was in 1989 RG. Lost to Chang)
I will put more tomorrow.
 

BorgCash

Legend
ALL THESE PLAYERS LOST IN THE SF ONLY
Nikolay Davydenko (Best Chance was in 2005 RG. Lost to Puerta)
Tim Henman (Best Chance was in 2001 WIM. Lost to Ivanisevic)
Andres Jarryd (Best Chance was in 1985 WIM. Lost to Jarryd)
Tommy Haas (Best Chance was in 2002 AO. Lost to Safin)
Sebastian Grosjean (Best Chance was in 2003 AO. Lost to Philippoussis)
Magnus Larsson (Best Chance was in 1994 RG. Lost to Berasategui)
Raul Ramirez (Best Chance was in 1976 RG. Lost to Solomon)
John Alexander (Best Chance was in 1978 AO. Lost to Gerulaitis)
Andrei Chesnokov (Best Chance was in 1989 RG. Lost to Chang)
I will put more tomorrow.

Anders Jarryd lost to Jarryd?
 

suwanee4712

Professional
There are so many to choose from worth at least a mention.

Of the players I saw, the top three would be Jose Luis Clerc, Tim Mayotte, and Tim Henman.
 

deacsyoga

Banned
There are so many to choose from worth at least a mention.

Of the players I saw, the top three would be Jose Luis Clerc, Tim Mayotte, and Tim Henman.

What about Davydenko? 3 Masters title (including Miami), YEC title, beat all the top players of his era numerous times, owned Rafa on hard courts. Very good on all surfaces except grass.

Have to say that Davydenko is certainly the more accomplished player. He only made 4 Slam semis to Henman's 6 but he he has 21 titles including a WTF and 3 Masters compared to Henman's 11 titles including 1 Masters.

and he was a heck of a player at his best. He made a complete fool of Rafa on hard courts a few times, and he was a tough opponent for Djokovic and Murray over the years too.

Comparing him to Henman, Henman is certainly light years better on grass (where Davydenko was useless anyway), but Davydenko is much better on hard courts and clay, and probably better indoors too. And I think Davydenko on hard courts and indoors is a bit more dangerous than Henman on grass, although I know that is subjective.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Raúl Ramírez (born 20 June 1953) is a retired Mexican professional tennis player. He was active during the 1970s and 1980s, and is regarded as one of the great all-around players of the modern era.[citation needed] Ramírez was also the first player to finish first in both singles and doubles Grand Prix point standings, accomplishing the feat in 1976. He attended and played tennis at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.[1]
I enjoyed the play of Ramirez. He was an excellent player and he had some memorable wins, especially in the Davis Cup. I also enjoyed his teamwork with Brian Gottfried in doubles. They were a fun team to watch.

I think Ramirez's only problem was that he didn't have the great weapon like a Connors' backhand.
 

Drob

Hall of Fame
ALL THESE PLAYERS LOST IN THE SF ONLY
Nikolay Davydenko (Best Chance was in 2005 RG. Lost to Puerta)
Tim Henman (Best Chance was in 2001 WIM. Lost to Ivanisevic)
Andres Jarryd (Best Chance was in 1985 WIM. Lost to Jarryd)
Tommy Haas (Best Chance was in 2002 AO. Lost to Safin)
Sebastian Grosjean (Best Chance was in 2003 AO. Lost to Philippoussis)
Magnus Larsson (Best Chance was in 1994 RG. Lost to Berasategui)
Raul Ramirez (Best Chance was in 1976 RG. Lost to Solomon)
John Alexander (Best Chance was in 1978 AO. Lost to Gerulaitis)
Andrei Chesnokov (Best Chance was in 1989 RG. Lost to Chang)
I will put more tomorrow.


Good list, and everybody else, good thoughts. I have been looking into the pre-War game and so let me offer some other names that I don't think you have. I thought about it from 1920 up to the arrival of Connors:

Jacques Brugnon for sure
Zenzo Shimidaz
Manuel Alonso
Jiro Satoh for sure
Bitsy Grant
Roderich Menzel
Enrique Morea
Franjo Puncec
Alex Metreveli
Barry McKay
Cliff Richey for sure
 

KG1965

Legend
Good list, and everybody else, good thoughts. I have been looking into the pre-War game and so let me offer some other names that I don't think you have. I thought about it from 1920 up to the arrival of Connors:

Jacques Brugnon for sure
Zenzo Shimidaz
Manuel Alonso
Jiro Satoh for sure
Bitsy Grant
Roderich Menzel
Enrique Morea
Franjo Puncec
Alex Metreveli
Barry McKay
Cliff Richey for sure
Metreveli ?
 

Drob

Hall of Fame
I'd say...

1980's: Alberto Mancini, great talent (Honorable mention: Joakim Nyström, Kent Carlsson, Emilio Sanchez)
1990's: Magnus Larsson, quirky magician (Honorable mention: David Wheaton, Guy Forget, Marc Rosset)
2000's: Tim Henman, beautiful s/v game (Honorable mention: Nikolay Davydenko, Tommy Haas, Sébastien Grosjean)
Current: Tsonga, has the game (Honorable mention: Gaël Monfils, Grego Dimitrov, John Isner)

Not mentioning the young guns yet: Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios...

Other guys: Tim Mayotte, Aaron Krickstein, Andrei Chesnokov, Wayne Ferreira, James Blake, Ivan Ljubičić)

Probably plenty of other guys – any suggestions?)

But overall: Tim Henman

NOT BRAD GILBERT!

Others?
I'd say...

1980's: Alberto Mancini, great talent (Honorable mention: Joakim Nyström, Kent Carlsson, Emilio Sanchez)
1990's: Magnus Larsson, quirky magician (Honorable mention: David Wheaton, Guy Forget, Marc Rosset)
2000's: Tim Henman, beautiful s/v game (Honorable mention: Nikolay Davydenko, Tommy Haas, Sébastien Grosjean)
Current: Tsonga, has the game (Honorable mention: Gaël Monfils, Grego Dimitrov, John Isner)

Not mentioning the young guns yet: Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios...


I mentioned above you guys picked some good candidates. I think the actual answer to the question proposed is an easy one: Davydenko.

He won the 2009 ATP World Tour Finals, beating Federer in the semis, Nadal in the RR and the-as-yet un-injured Juan Martin del Potro in the Final. In January he beat Federer and Nadal for a big paycheck at Qatar, then lost to Federer in the quarters at Melbourne. Several weeks later he fractured his wrist. He tried to keep playing. This made the injury worse. He took a break. He came back and was not much of a player. I give this background because Federer has commented that Davydenko was truly in a position to make a bid for World No. 1 at that point, at the beginning of 2010.

Other guys: Tim Mayotte, Aaron Krickstein, Andrei Chesnokov, Wayne Ferreira, James Blake, Ivan Ljubičić)

Probably plenty of other guys – any suggestions?)

But overall: Tim Henman

NOT BRAD GILBERT!

Others?
 

Drob

Hall of Fame
I mentioned above you guys picked some good candidates. I think the actual answer to the question proposed is an easy one: Davydenko.

He won the 2009 ATP World Tour Finals, beating Federer in the semis, Nadal in the RR and the-as-yet un-injured Juan Martin del Potro in the Final. In January he beat Federer and Nadal for a big paycheck at Qatar, then lost to Federer in the quarters at Melbourne. Several weeks later he fractured his wrist. He tried to keep playing. This made the injury worse. He took a break. He came back and was not much of a player. I give this background because Federer has commented that Davydenko was truly in a position to make a bid for World No. 1 at that point, at the beginning of 2010.
 

KG1965

Legend
My Gosh - I just try to forget the 1973 Wimbledon where nobody played because of player's strike. I don't consider it a Major but formally it is. And Alexis indeed was the losing finalist. Good eye.
I do not know almost any of the players. This will inform me. Thank you.
 
another nobleman to keep in mind is "Fast Eddie" Dibbs, N°5 by ATP ranking in july of 1978 (in back of Connors, Vilas, Borg and Gerulaitis). His overall record (586–253) maybe is the best for a players who never reach a GS final. He plays Roland Garros SF in 1975 (losing to Vilas) and 1976 (Panatta), and won 22 single titles.
 
And about argentinian José Luis Clerc:

World No. 4 singles ATP ranking on 3 August 1981 (#1 Borg, #2 McEnroe, #3 Connors, #4 Clerc, #5 Lendl), following a run of 25 consecutive match wins after Wimbledon. SF in Roland Garros 1981 after beating Connors in 5-sets-match 4-6, 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-0 (loss to Lendl), and again SF in Roland Garros 1982 (Wilander).

Overall record 375–148 (71.70%). Won 25 single titles, and some several finals to Top players like Connors (Costa Rica 80), Lendl (Indianapolis 81), McEnroe (South Orange 80), Vilas (Madrid 80, Washingoton 81, Gstaad 82) or Wilander (Guaruja Brazil 82). Her best tournament was Rome in 1981 beating Victor Pecci.

A very talented player, who came to give a real beating to McEnroe in the 1980 Masters (6-3, 6-0), leads the h2h vs Connors (3-1) even has tied h2h with Lendl (7-7) and Mac himself (5-5).

Unfortunately Injuries began to plague Clerc since 1984 and his consistency dropped. Clerc never recovered and only played sporadically after 1985 (27years old).

Think sure not have better accolades than Tim Henman (7 SF) or Davydenko (4 SF) in GS, but have more total titles that Tim (25 to 11) and very much vs Nikolay (2). Also his career was way to short. And far a long time ago ...
 
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DMan

Professional
Tim Henman, Tommy Haas, Nikolay Davydenko, Ivan Ljubicic are the most notable on this list.

Interesting that John Marks, John Sadri, Kim Warwick, Mariano Puerta, Martin Verkerk did reach major final in Open era.
 
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BlueClayGOAT

Semi-Pro
I guess Davydenko is the best answer to the poll question.

Tsonga and Leconte both made 1 major final each, so they're out.

No love for The Ljub here? Great serve, strong groundstrokes, powerful one handed BH. Has an IW title.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster

Fabresque

Legend
Haas. Davydenko. I could also throw in Monfils for the amount of talent he had. Shame he wasted most of it.
 

jorjipy

Semi-Pro
Sometimes, I'd like to think, Leconte was the most talented player ever. But he was a headcase, and his footwork wasn't always that good. He is, though, often overlooked in terms of volley ability.
He gets my vote as the most talented ever.....if the world had stuck with wood he would have been a soaring number 1....untouchable in terms of pace of shot and spin

I recall when he beat Lendl with his wood racquet in the 1983 Sydney Indoors, he was overpowering Lendl (and his Adidas GTX) with wood!
 

jorjipy

Semi-Pro
Open Era record for most semis at Slams without reaching a final -

6 - Henman

4 - Haas, Grosjean and Davydenko

3 - Roger Taylor, Richey, Gorman, Alexander, Ramirez, Pfister and Gasquet

2 - Graebner, Ruffels, Stockton, Dibbs, Barazutti, Clerc, Higueras, Mayotte, Zivojinovic, Masur, Svensson, Krickstein, Ferreira, Bjorkman and Norman ( also Youzhny, Monfils, Dimitrov and Thiem among active players)


Not sure which 'Norman' you mean.....Magnus Norman? French Open runner up 2000?
 

Olli Jokinen

Hall of Fame
He gets my vote as the most talented ever.....if the world had stuck with wood he would have been a soaring number 1....untouchable in terms of pace of shot and spin

I recall when he beat Lendl with his wood racquet in the 1983 Sydney Indoors, he was overpowering Lendl (and his Adidas GTX) with wood!

But he wasn't really a wood player, switched to graphite in 83/84. He used his light Head Prestige graphite raquet to break into the top 10. Lendl dominated Leconte pretty hard, 9-3 H2H, winning their last 6 encounters (last one in 1989).
 

thrust

Legend
Sometimes, I'd like to think, Leconte was the most talented player ever. But he was a headcase, and his footwork wasn't always that good. He is, though, often overlooked in terms of volley ability.
There has been and still is something weird about French male players. Several have been stylish shot makers and had the physical abilities necessary to be slam winners, but none have since Noah. Mentally though there is a problem. It seems that their coaching does not concentrate enough on the mental aspect of the game. It must be very frustrating for French tennis fans to see so much talent and potential wasted. Before Murray the British men were even worse, and lately, the US men are having a tough time too.
 

jorjipy

Semi-Pro
But he wasn't really a wood player, switched to graphite in 83/84. He used his light Head Prestige graphite raquet to break into the top 10. Lendl dominated Leconte pretty hard, 9-3 H2H, winning their last 6 encounters (last one in 1989).


I guess you dont count the Leconte win in the World Team Cup in 1985 as an official match? Everyone else does....

So Leconte led the H2H 4-3 against Lendl after Wimbledon 1985....and yes it went downhill from there with his graphite Head racquet

Anyway, before he switched to graphite, Leconte and Lendl played 4 times, winning 2 matches each, and when you consider this was an emerging Leconte that is rather impressive with a wooden racquet against an Ivan Lendl who was world number 2 or 3 at the time.
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
There has been and still is something weird about French male players. Several have been stylish shot makers and had the physical abilities necessary to be slam winners, but none have since Noah. Mentally though there is a problem. It seems that their coaching does not concentrate enough on the mental aspect of the game. It must be very frustrating for French tennis fans to see so much talent and potential wasted. Before Murray the British men were even worse, and lately, the US men are having a tough time too.

hmm... I hadn't thought of it in these terms

Does any region focus on the "mental aspect of the game"? I would think not much... and if all the top players coming out of a country for so long all seem to have jitters, I would possibly take that to reflect a bit on the country's national values more than the quality of its coaching

Specifically, I would hypothesize players are encouraged to play aesthetically pleasing tennis (in other countries, I'd guess no issue is made of how good someone looks or doesn't) - and that kind of has an effect mental toughness

@vive le beau jeu ! - may I trouble you for your impressions? Do you think the French place a greater value on style of play than other countries (like Brazil does in football - leaving them a tad fragile compared to some of the more bloody-minded, by hook-or-by-crook cultured teams)

So many fine players or guys with potential to come out of the country - and a disproportionately high number of them with beautiful styles... Leconte, Pioline, Grosjean, Gasquet, even Monfils but they don't take it to the top levels quality wise. My favourite was Guy Forget, who had a powerful but elegant game... I think with his ability, he had potential to be a multi-Slam winner

Yet there he stands with 0 semis, let alone titles

Who is the mentally toughest French player? Are there any notable tough ones in the Open Era? - or after the sport has become much more global?

Pre-Murray Britain and recent USA are different... I didn't/don't see much latent talent there to begin with. A guy like Jeremy Bates was never going to be a world beater, ditto the present American lot

So yes, the plethora of what I'll call "good" French players, almost all of who had a beautiful style... but none of whom set the world alight, is maybe a big odd come to think of it


Not sure which 'Norman' you mean.....Magnus Norman? French Open runner up 2000?

Good catch... corrected - thanks
 

Olli Jokinen

Hall of Fame
I guess you dont count the Leconte win in the World Team Cup in 1985 as an official match? Everyone else does....

So Leconte led the H2H 4-3 against Lendl after Wimbledon 1985....and yes it went downhill from there with his graphite Head racquet

Anyway, before he switched to graphite, Leconte and Lendl played 4 times, winning 2 matches each, and when you consider this was an emerging Leconte that is rather impressive with a wooden racquet against an Ivan Lendl who was world number 2 or 3 at the time.

Sure, but graphite did get him into the top 10, and Lendl evolved into a tennis monster and all-time great. This might say more about him than Leconte. Lecontes weakness was his footwork and injuries – plus being a headcase. But when he was on, he was an epic shotmaker.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Davydenko.

Then Haas, then Henman.

Feel bad for Henman on grass but it is what it is. He'd have made a couple Finals if not for Sampras draw.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Specifically, I would hypothesize players are encouraged to play aesthetically pleasing tennis (in other countries, I'd guess no issue is made of how good someone looks or doesn't) - and that kind of has an effect mental toughness

@vive le beau jeu ! - may I trouble you for your impressions? Do you think the French place a greater value on style of play than other countries (like Brazil does in football - leaving them a tad fragile compared to some of the more bloody-minded, by hook-or-by-crook cultured teams)

So many fine players or guys with potential to come out of the country - and a disproportionately high number of them with beautiful styles... Leconte, Pioline, Grosjean, Gasquet, even Monfils but they don't take it to the top levels quality wise. My favourite was Guy Forget, who had a powerful but elegant game... I think with his ability, he had potential to be a multi-Slam winner

Yet there he stands with 0 semis, let alone titles

Who is the mentally toughest French player? Are there any notable tough ones in the Open Era? - or after the sport has become much more global?

Pre-Murray Britain and recent USA are different... I didn't/don't see much latent talent there to begin with. A guy like Jeremy Bates was never going to be a world beater, ditto the present American lot

So yes, the plethora of what I'll call "good" French players, almost all of who had a beautiful style... but none of whom set the world alight, is maybe a big odd come to think of it




Good catch... corrected - thanks
ummm i'm not sure but that may be true and, as regards tennis, it's certainly valid in terms of appreciation of the players (even if you unfortunately see some lost souls supporting the nadal) but i don't think it really is in terms of teaching tennis. then, i guess there's the natural tendendy of kids to emulate their favorite player's game...

that being said, i'm sure there are other countries that also value 'tennis aesthetics' ;)
in every country there are people enjoying 'winners' and others enjoying 'aesthetically pleasing tennis'... but it's hard to have stats on that :p
 
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