Better for tennis if Chung beats Federer

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KINGROGER

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King No1e said:
As the heads of Federer fans explode, I will explain.
Roger Federer is 36. He's now one of the oldest players in the ATP. He won 2 grand Slams last year. He's (or will likely be) the last man of the Big 4 to remain fit. Murray has likely lost his battle to injury, and Djokovic is fighting the tide. Nadal is still dominating, but he's becoming increasingly inconsistent and injury-prone. Not a recipe for longevity.
A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore. Even the players who were in the past (Connors, Agassi, Laver) didn't win majors this long, and were few and far between. There is no new generation stepping up yet to take the mantle, which is why the ATP is desperately trying to prop the young players up. Dimitrov and Zverev are the only guys who have really done much, and Zverev still hasn't made it past the 4R of a Slam.
The Big 3 are all legends. I still admire and root for Djokovic. The hype will always be there until they retire.
But at this age that's what they should be. Legends. The fact that they're still around only adds to the mythos around them, but it also says that the sport isn't developing. The tour, and TTW, have descended into a grim uncertainty about the future of tennis. For the first time in tennis, there is no Grand Slam winner in their prime. Cilic is arguably an exception, but it's unlikely to see him bag another, unless he makes another shock title run (AO18 might be his last chance). Wawrinka and Murray are fading. Djokovic and Nadal's V8 engines are getting worn out, the price paid for brute-forcing their way through Federer's empire. Del Potro is unpredictable and a nostalgic favorite, but the injuries and age have taken a toll on even him. And Federer....even Superman ages.

Life must go on. So must tennis.
If Chung beats Federer, that's a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Federer get injured or something. But the Big 3 aren't getting any better at this age. The first conqueror was Stan, who showed the big 4 that they were beatable. But he was one man, also in his late career. A new generation, one made up of younger, more consistent, more driven players must rise.

A win for Hyeon is a win for tennis.
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Once AO 09, RG 11, USO 11 travesties been paid off then sure.
 
ForLoveOfTheGame

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The **** you smokin'? He's on his very last legs. Let the guy win as much as he can. We have one final chance to watch the greatest player of all time compete to burn records. Don't be so naive as to think we'll see this era again, Brady, Lebron, Messi, Ronaldo, Nadal, Federer. You are living in the pinnacle of sport and you don't even realize it.

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Sudacafan

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swordtennis said:
He has to get through his next opponent first! Dangren will be a tough out!
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Yep, nobody said Chung has to beat Sandgren first. (And Federer has to do the same with Berdych).
Sandgren case is very weird. A Challengers player who has more ATP wins in AO 2018 than in his entire career... At 26.5 years old. Nobody could have seen it coming.
Plainly unbelievable.
 
wangs78

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Roger being around as long as possible is better for tennis... full stop. The reality is that he alone has transcended tennis and won over fans (tennis fans, sports fans, casual watchers) from all walks of life. There is no doubt tennis will fade a bit when he is gone, but him being around and playing Chung in a SF and maybe an Edmund or Cilic in a final gets those guys visibility around the world. Without Fed in the match, many/most of the casual fans will turn off their tv’s.
 
skip1969

skip1969

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Tennis has been super busy, what with the AO in full swing and whatnot . . . but we had a quick chat today. I asked if he'd be better off if Chung beat Federer, and he was like, "Eh . . . whatever. I seen 'em all come and go. And I always will."

He's deep like that. I mean, it's not that he has a huge ego or anything. But he has been around since 1873, so he doesn't spend every day freaking out about the 'future.'
 
King No1e

King No1e

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ForLoveOfTheGame said:
The **** you smokin'? He's on his very last legs. Let the guy win as much as he can. We have one final chance to watch the greatest player of all time compete to burn records. Don't be so naive as to think we'll see this era again, Brady, Lebron, Messi, Ronaldo, Nadal, Federer. You are living in the pinnacle of sport and you don't even realize it.

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The Pinnacle of the sport was the early 2010s. The big 4 dominated everything. From Wimbledon 2010 to Wimbledon 2012, at least 3 of the 4 were present in every Slam semi. That's 9 in a row. From 2014 Australian Open to now (17 Slams), only 3 Slams featured at least 3 of the 4, and none featured all 4. To say that as long as these guys play that we are in a golden age isn't true.
If Messi and Ronaldo we're to play into their 40s, both physically declined, with nobody to take up their mantle, it's not longer a golden age.
 
Steve0904

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It probably is better for tennis in the long run if Chung beats Federer (assuming they play), I agree. But he probably won't and that drives the haters nuts. :D Keeps them up into the early morning hours watching the AO.
 
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nikdom

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King No1e said:
The Pinnacle of the sport was the early 2010s. The big 4 dominated everything. From Wimbledon 2010 to Wimbledon 2012, at least 3 of the 4 were present in every Slam semi. That's 9 in a row. From 2014 Australian Open to now (17 Slams), only 3 Slams featured at least 3 of the 4, and none featured all 4. To say that as long as these guys play that we are in a golden age isn't true.
If Messi and Ronaldo we're to play into their 40s, both physically declined, with nobody to take up their mantle, it's not longer a golden age.
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Make Tennis Great Again

Bring back the ___________

(fill in the blank with your favorite nostalgic complaint. e.g surface, 80s, wooden racquets, player personalities .... the sky is the limit. Go wild)
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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NatF said:
Chung winning the whole thing would indeed be good for tennis. I'm still rooting for Federer but if he has to lose to someone Chung would be my pick - provided Chung stops Cilic from winning #2 in the final.
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I don't want to see Rocky Mountain Redneck win. I'm fine with any of the others.

Chung winning good for tennis?

Yes, or no. No, if he stops #20 and then does not go on to have a great career, because he'll be another one slam wonder. But if this somehow is the "beginning of something big", then yes, it would be a good thing.
 
MasterZeb

MasterZeb

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King No1e said:
As the heads of Federer fans explode, I will explain.
Roger Federer is 36. He's now one of the oldest players in the ATP. He won 2 grand Slams last year. He's (or will likely be) the last man of the Big 4 to remain fit. Murray has likely lost his battle to injury, and Djokovic is fighting the tide. Nadal is still dominating, but he's becoming increasingly inconsistent and injury-prone. Not a recipe for longevity.
A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore. Even the players who were in the past (Connors, Agassi, Laver) didn't win majors this long, and were few and far between. There is no new generation stepping up yet to take the mantle, which is why the ATP is desperately trying to prop the young players up. Dimitrov and Zverev are the only guys who have really done much, and Zverev still hasn't made it past the 4R of a Slam.
The Big 3 are all legends. I still admire and root for Djokovic. The hype will always be there until they retire.
But at this age that's what they should be. Legends. The fact that they're still around only adds to the mythos around them, but it also says that the sport isn't developing. The tour, and TTW, have descended into a grim uncertainty about the future of tennis. For the first time in tennis, there is no Grand Slam winner in their prime. Cilic is arguably an exception, but it's unlikely to see him bag another, unless he makes another shock title run (AO18 might be his last chance). Wawrinka and Murray are fading. Djokovic and Nadal's V8 engines are getting worn out, the price paid for brute-forcing their way through Federer's empire. Del Potro is unpredictable and a nostalgic favorite, but the injuries and age have taken a toll on even him. And Federer....even Superman ages.

Life must go on. So must tennis.
If Chung beats Federer, that's a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Federer get injured or something. But the Big 3 aren't getting any better at this age. The first conqueror was Stan, who showed the big 4 that they were beatable. But he was one man, also in his late career. A new generation, one made up of younger, more consistent, more driven players must rise.

A win for Hyeon is a win for tennis.
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I'm guessing it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Federer equalling Djokovics 6 titles here in Australia if he was to win.
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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King No1e said:
As the heads of Federer fans explode, I will explain.
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Let me explain for you.

You're a Nole fan, and Nole lost. Of course you'd like to see one of his two biggest rivals go down in flames.

If Nole was still in it, no way you would think his losing is good for tennis.

You want Chung to win because he plays a lot like Djokovic.

Why don't you fans, just for once, tell the truth?
 
NatF

NatF

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Gary Duane said:
I don't want to see Rocky Mountain Redneck win. I'm fine with any of the others.

Chung winning good for tennis?

Yes, or no. No, if he stops #20 and then does not go on to have a great career, because he'll be another one slam wonder. But if this somehow is the "beginning of something big", then yes, it would be a good thing.
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I'm firmly rooting for Federer but a young guy winning would be nice and Chung could definitely have a good career the way things are looking e.g. no ATG's on the horizon.
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

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NatF said:
I'm firmly rooting for Federer but a young guy winning would be nice and Chung could definitely have a good career the way things are looking e.g. no ATG's on the horizon.
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Not sure how I feel at this point.

I don't like Berdych tennis but have nothing against him, and he's one of the most dangerous players never to have won a major. I can't see him winning against Fed right now, and I don't think his winning will exactly be a ratings booster, now or in the future.

Chung winning would be exciting, and a 22 year-old winning a major would reverse the whole aging thing.

Cilic has had really hard times, including emotionally. I don't think he's any more popular than Berdych, but he has a good game and played like a lion last match. I just wish there were a limit on ball bouncing.

Just please, no Tennys. If this guy wins, I think we'll all remember this AO as a terrible disappointment. Whatever he does is going to go down with an asterisk.
 
NatF

NatF

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Gary Duane said:
Not sure how I feel at this point.

I don't like Berdych tennis but have nothing against him, and he's one of the most dangerous players never to have won a major. I can't see him winning against Fed right now, and I don't think his winning will exactly be a ratings booster, now or in the future.

Chung winning would be exciting, and a 22 year-old winning a major would reverse the whole aging thing.

Cilic has had really hard times, including emotionally. I don't think he's any more popular than Berdych, but he has a good game and played like a lion last match. I just wish there were a limit on ball bouncing.

Just please, no Tennys. If this guy wins, I think we'll all remember this AO as a terrible disappointment. Whatever he does is going to go down with an asterisk.
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Not familiar with Tennys what's the deal with him?
 
T

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah it's nice to see new champion from another continent like Chung, just like it was nice when Li Na from China won her first slam.

Of course the OP who's a Nole fan only made this thread after his idol lost, otherwise he couldn't care less about Chung.
 
King No1e

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Gary Duane said:
Let me explain for you.

You're a Nole fan, and Nole lost. Of course you'd like to see one of his two biggest rivals go down in flames.

If Nole was still in it, no way you would think his losing is good for tennis.

You want Chung to win because he plays a lot like Djokovic.

Why don't you fans, just for once, tell the truth?
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Last statement is pretty true. Chung plays like Djokovic and I'm excited to see him become one of the best in the year to come.

I wanted Nole to win. In fact I wanted a Nadal/Djokovic final. But I never said it would be good for tennis. Just good for the fans.

If Nole cakewalked to the title like Federer did at Wimby or Nadal at USO, that would not be good for tennis. If some random journeyman in his late 20s beat Djokovic and then lost, it's just an upset (I would be upset too). But if a player with the game and mental fortitude to become the next generation-defining great beats Djokovic, and went on to win, then it's a positive improvement for the sport itself.
So no, this is not salt. This is the realization I came to when Nadal lost.
 
King No1e

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Gary Duane said:
Not sure how I feel at this point.

I don't like Berdych tennis but have nothing against him, and he's one of the most dangerous players never to have won a major. I can't see him winning against Fed right now, and I don't think his winning will exactly be a ratings booster, now or in the future.

Chung winning would be exciting, and a 22 year-old winning a major would reverse the whole aging thing.

Cilic has had really hard times, including emotionally. I don't think he's any more popular than Berdych, but he has a good game and played like a lion last match. I just wish there were a limit on ball bouncing.

Just please, no Tennys. If this guy wins, I think we'll all remember this AO as a terrible disappointment. Whatever he does is going to go down with an asterisk.
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Ouch. Whatever did Tennys do to you? But you're right, it's unlikely that he will continue the form that he's in now.
 
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nikdom

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sarmpas said:
I know others will disagree but Federer winning #20 isn't a foregone conclusion.
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That's just a snarky response to their favorites getting out of the tournament.

These same people will be out gloating if Roger doesn't make it.

I for one don't think it is a given by any stretch of the imagination. Berdych is playing well, Chung is playing with house money and Cilic is a difficult guy to put away if he's playing with any self-belief, which seems to be the case.
 
fedtennisphan

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King No1e said:
Last statement is pretty true. Chung plays like Djokovic and I'm excited to see him become one of the best in the year to come.

I wanted Nole to win. In fact I wanted a Nadal/Djokovic final. But I never said it would be good for tennis. Just good for the fans.

If Nole cakewalked to the title like Federer did at Wimby or Nadal at USO, that would not be good for tennis. If some random journeyman in his late 20s beat Djokovic and then lost, it's just an upset (I would be upset too). But if a player with the game and mental fortitude to become the next generation-defining great beats Djokovic, and went on to win, then it's a positive improvement for the sport itself.
So no, this is not salt. This is the realization I came to when Nadal lost.
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Only thing that’s good for the sport is Federer distancing himself from both Djokovic and Nadal to stand alone leaving both miserable fanbases in ruins.
 
swordtennis

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Well with the players still alive i think chung has the best chance to drag fed into a street fight. He has to get him into a dirty back alley brawl. If he gets that deer in the headlights like most do against fed he has no chance. Has to take it to a street slug fest.
 
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swordtennis

swordtennis

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It would be nice to see new guys win! However, can’t look past Fed now. He was favourite at the start and now he’s even bigger favourite
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BIG FAV! Just want him to get into a knock out drag out brawl. He has been just doing an ali 1964 to 1967 on everyone. They are like a battered cut up and bruised sonny liston slumped in the corner. Where is joe frazier when you need him?!
 
fedtennisphan

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It would be nice to see new guys win! However, can’t look past Fed now. He was favourite at the start and now he’s even bigger favourite
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You don’t care about any new guys. You know what keeps Federer going? The taste of his haters tears. I hope Federer seals the deal because that 6th AO title would look goooooood on his CV.
 
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sarmpas

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The following results were unexpected and surprises for a lot of people

a) Chung beating Zverev.

b) Chung beating Novak. Novak was severely hampered by injury but still.

b) Edmund beating Grigor. This one really stands out to me, I didn't think Edmund was ready to take such a big step up.

d) Cilic making Nadal have a no más moment.

There's still a lot of tennis to be played, Chung and Sandgren have some fire in their bellies and they're on form. Cilic will want to make amends for his Wimbledon 2017 final.



nikdom said:
That's just a snarky response to their favorites getting out of the tournament.

These same people will be out gloating if Roger doesn't make it.

I for one don't think it is a given by any stretch of the imagination. Berdych is playing well, Chung is playing with house money and Cilic is a difficult guy to put away if he's playing with any self-belief, which seems to be the case.
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fedtennisphan

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sarmpas said:
The following results were unexpected and surprises for a lot of people

a) Chung beating Zverev.

b) Chung beating Novak. Novak was severely hampered by injury but still.

b) Edmund beating Grigor. This one really stands out to me, I didn't think Edmund was ready to take such a big step up.

d) Cilic making Nadal have a no más moment.

There's still a lot of tennis to be played, Chung and Sandgren have some fire in their bellies and they're on form. Cilic will want to make amends for his Wimbledon 2017 final.
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Unfortunately for them, there is a certain 19x GS champion that may have a bigger fire in his belly.
 
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