GhostOfNKDM
Hall of Fame
Federer - 12 (20 minus 8 Wimbys)
Djokovic - 12 (21 minus 9 AOs)
Nadal - 8 (22 minus 14 Frenchies)
What it tell us?
Djokovic - 12 (21 minus 9 AOs)
Nadal - 8 (22 minus 14 Frenchies)
What it tell us?
Big 3 without their best slams
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RS
Bionic Poster
Do u believe this?
They started their careers by knowing that there will be only 1 clay slam. Nadal's loss that he didn't think it through while starting his career.
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Beerus
Guest
Nadal is too flawed to be the GOAT. Luckily there is no GOAT anyway.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
I'm not even sure Australian Open is the best slam for Djokovic anymore and not the Wimbledon instead! LOL It once was surely, but it looks like he is setting up for the unbeaten streak at the Wimbledon for maybe another couple of years! If this holds true, then it means he will be on like 6 consecutive titles winning streak at Wimbledon (most of any men in open era mind you!), at which point AO is no longer Nole's strongest slam (even if he gets 10th there before he gets 9th at the Wimby...) I feel like Novak can pull off something truly unique and rare and get decimals at both Wimby and AO! LOL If that happens duuude...but even if it doesn't and he falls short of 1 title at the Wimby, he will still hold consecutive streak record, overall title record and tied with Navratilova for intergender record as well as consecutive title record...
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Nadal is at best a very good hard working player. GOAT tier he wasn't anytime. Who likes moon balling anyways.
RS
Bionic Poster
Was hoping u did
Mediterranean Might
Professional
Man I know these are baits, but imagine calling a 100mph 4000rpm forehand a moonball just because it jumps above your head lol
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Crazy Wimbledon stat. A guy having 2 slams highest count and the overall slam record will be utter dominance. Can't wait to see this happening.
Haha, caught me.No doubt his FH is good. But can't just describe his one shot no?
Moon balling is a valid strategy, gives you time to get a good court position and works well against counter punchers. So nothing wrong in that, but from watching the sport perspective it's not so great. Nadal does it way too freq for my liking.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
lol at the casual beehive hit and run.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
It tells us...
In the Open era...
There are 9 guys who have won the US Open multiple times, and also won another of the majors multiple times.
There are 10 guys who have won Wimbledon multiple times, and also won another of the majors multiple times.
There are 12 guys who have won the Australian Open multiple times, and also won another blah, blah, blah.
While there are only 6 guys who you can say the same for at Roland Garros.
In the Open era...
There are 9 guys who have won the US Open multiple times, and also won another of the majors multiple times.
There are 10 guys who have won Wimbledon multiple times, and also won another of the majors multiple times.
There are 12 guys who have won the Australian Open multiple times, and also won another blah, blah, blah.
While there are only 6 guys who you can say the same for at Roland Garros.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
brewpats
New User
This is the main reason Nole is the goat. Also the x2 career slam
Ombelibable
Professional
Cool. Now remove each player's best surface. Come on OP, you can do it.
crazyups
Professional
Looks like he thought it through the best since he is the slam leader.They started their careers by knowing that there will be only 1 clay slam. Nadal's loss that he didn't think it through while starting his career.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
It told us that fans of a particular player can manipulate statistics to make their guy look like the best.
In reality, these guys are all absurdly good. Nadal or Djokovic will likely emerge as the top guy in the next 3 years. I say it will be the latter with 25 slams.
Nadal - GOAT
Hall of Fame
What this tells is that if Rafa does end up winning the slam race he will undoubtedly be the GOAT of slams.
He had just 1 slam in his favoured surface while the other 2 had 3. He has shown tremendous ability to adapt and be right up there in the slam tally. What a champion!!
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Schwartzman also started his career knowing that slam winners are taller than 5’7” since almost ever.They started their careers by knowing that there will be only 1 clay slam. Nadal's loss that he didn't think it through while starting his career.
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Herald
Guest
That playing your non-best slam finals against Hewitt, Roddick, undead Agassi, and Baby Nole & Murray is highly desirable.
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He must have started before he reached his full height though as a kid.
Ya, ofcourse. But not a GOAT candidate with one surface dominance. ClayGOAT surely.
Nadal - GOAT
Hall of Fame
It just won't matter down the line. The final slam tally is what will be remembered.
Novak has the edge as he will probably last longer. Though slam distribution won't matter. Pete had 0 FOs and it didn't matter. He was still the one Fed was chasing.
Regarding GOAT debate, it is a never ending one with no conclusion ever. But the slam race will conclude and the winner will definitely go down as the player to beat for the next generation.
InsuranceMan
Hall of Fame
Average ttw goat debate
Ombelibable
Professional
Big 3 without their most successful surface:
Nadal : 8
Djokovic : 9
Federer : 9.
A hair's breadth to separate them. Rafa and Djokovic were equal last month.
How is it fair to remove two (AO, USO) for Djokovic and Federer but only one (RG) for Nadal, you ask?
Well, thank your stars there's only one slam on clay, else daddy would possibly be shooting for his 30th major or something. You can't have more hardcourt slams and also then not account for it as one surface.
Nadal : 8
Djokovic : 9
Federer : 9.
A hair's breadth to separate them. Rafa and Djokovic were equal last month.
How is it fair to remove two (AO, USO) for Djokovic and Federer but only one (RG) for Nadal, you ask?
Well, thank your stars there's only one slam on clay, else daddy would possibly be shooting for his 30th major or something. You can't have more hardcourt slams and also then not account for it as one surface.
Tennis looks beautiful on grass and HC esp indoors. A clay court tennis match is not a good watch on TV visually.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
At first glance I read "without their slams", but this is disappointingly bland.
ADuck
Legend
It takes more time and patience and a higher tennis IQ to construct points on clay. It's like a little chess battle for every point. Compare that with grass where the most important shots are serve and return. I'd argue clay is more entertaining nowadays
And yet the longest slam match is a Wimbledon match and the longest slam final is a AO final. Clay is boring and not great for viewing. HC as a surface makes the game just too good to watch and play.
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ADuck
Legend
Because the Wimbledon match was a final where both players were playing close to their best tennis in the primes of their career and it was the third consecutive final between the two players which was extremely competitive. Clay on average is still more compelling to me.
Also, length of the match doesn't necessarily equate to better tennis. But on clay you do need to know how to outsmart your opponent because you can't just blast them off the court like you can HC and grass.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Mainad
Bionic Poster
An odd conclusion given that Federer is the only 1 not to win multiple Slams on all 3 surfaces.
You meant AO finals I believe. Anyways it's widely regarded as one of the best finals of all time along with W'19 and W'08. Can't remember a great clay court match apart from FO '13 finals which qualifies in the all time best matches list.
So much for the Clay slam being most entertaining.
Ya, we can remove Federer I believe. Maybe Djokovic >> Nadal in versatility and it's not even close.
juanparty
Hall of Fame
That Feddy is mr.weak era, the one-eyed man in the land of the blind is king
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TheNachoMan
Guest
Federer and Djokovic are more versatile. That’s the truth.
juanparty
Hall of Fame
Sure our Feddy isn't ,!The Goat is between Rafa and Novak
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
The implication being all are equal at their best slam, which we know is a joke. At RG, there's a fair chance Nadal doubles Fed's Wimbledon count.
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
The poor flawed dude with a Double Career Slam.
ADuck
Legend
The actual rallies and points on clay are more compelling and entertaining to me. And you're wrong there's been plenty of good matches on clay.
RS
Bionic Poster
Djokovic is arguable but Federer could have done with that 2nd RG.
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