Current and future college players in ATP events
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jaggy
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The short answer is they play as amateurs but can collect expenses for travel/lodging.
Clemson_tennis
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Jared Donaldson draws Gael Monfils in the 1st round of the US Open
dominikk1985
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great for him. definitely a great experience for such a young guy.
Clemson_tennis
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Altamirano vs Berankis starting now. Live stream
Clemson_tennis
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Yeah I agree, Playing 4-5 in college for Altamirano would be a complete waste of his time.
Watching him now and he plays at least two. Ryan makes too many unforced. That is if he decides to go to college. He was ambivalent about the no-ad scoring.
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Clemson_tennis
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Altamirano has thrown his racquet 4 times now. Two minor and two major
Clemson_tennis
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And it's something to outclassed mentally by Berankis because he isn't the most mentally sound player around either.
Clemson_tennis
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that was the definition of going off the rails there
Whoa, just saw the first set and not the meltdown. Pretty stunning to be in complete control and then lose it all.
I was the UVA fan who predicted CA would play #4. I watched him lose to Berankis badly in the last two sets. He definitely played with emotion and most of it was negative and it hurt his game a lot. Once the match went south he kind of lost it mentally completely. CA has a pretty big game, but not that big and and he likes to play way behind the baseline. He runs OK but he is not what I would call fast or quick. His bio says he is 6-2 and 185. He would be well advised to drop 10 to 15 pounds. Lean and thin is what seems to win these days.
Frank and TSK are too sound and steady for him to play above them. Shane has an absolutely huge serve and forehand and while he does make a lot of unforced errors so did CA tonight.
If Styslinger gets his tennis consistency fixed he could play above CA as well. It is hard to judge CA based on one this match, but based on what I saw he would be crazy to turn pro unless he wants a career on the Futures tour for awhile.
College tennis is a meritocracy and Boland will play him wherever he earns it. If he is better than Frank, Kwiatkowski and Shane he will play above them. Since he will not arrive until January, who knows where he will play.
I do agree that he will find little match competition at #4 in the ACC, but that is the nature of UVA tennis where they have very good players from 1 down to about 9. Some UVA fans, like me, think the ability to practice against all of the talent at UVA is a big help in terms of development, but he will not be able to do that much after classes start in mid January.
Frank and TSK are too sound and steady for him to play above them. Shane has an absolutely huge serve and forehand and while he does make a lot of unforced errors so did CA tonight.
If Styslinger gets his tennis consistency fixed he could play above CA as well. It is hard to judge CA based on one this match, but based on what I saw he would be crazy to turn pro unless he wants a career on the Futures tour for awhile.
College tennis is a meritocracy and Boland will play him wherever he earns it. If he is better than Frank, Kwiatkowski and Shane he will play above them. Since he will not arrive until January, who knows where he will play.
I do agree that he will find little match competition at #4 in the ACC, but that is the nature of UVA tennis where they have very good players from 1 down to about 9. Some UVA fans, like me, think the ability to practice against all of the talent at UVA is a big help in terms of development, but he will not be able to do that much after classes start in mid January.
Lemmy
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long answer? who gets those big fat checks for slams R1?
I was really surprised watching Collin play this match. I saw him last year and thought he had a couple of evident weaknesses that should be worked on.
The main one is of course the forehand. He doesn't hit through the ball enough for the ATP game. He wastes so much energy hitting that loopy topspin ball it wasn't a surprise Berankis was getting him to hit the ball shorter and shorter. He looks like a strong guy he should be hitting his forehand a lot bigger. It doesn't help that he stands 10 feet behind the baseline but that's a necessity almost when you have such a radical swing path. Doesn't help in returning a good flat serve either when there's a much higher chance of shanking.
Then there is the serve. Every single first serve I saw was a slice serve. Every single one. Its not even remotely disguised either he tosses the ball out so far to the side.
Even a good 5.0 player is able to hit a slice serve without tossing the ball that far out to the side. He should be mixing up his serve way more.
On the other hand the fact that he's doing as well as he is despite those 2 major weaknesses shows how much potential he has. Obviously great fighter, mover, and very nice backhand. If he gets the forehand and serve on par with the rest of his game and starts being able to play offense in addition to the defense he could become really good.
The main one is of course the forehand. He doesn't hit through the ball enough for the ATP game. He wastes so much energy hitting that loopy topspin ball it wasn't a surprise Berankis was getting him to hit the ball shorter and shorter. He looks like a strong guy he should be hitting his forehand a lot bigger. It doesn't help that he stands 10 feet behind the baseline but that's a necessity almost when you have such a radical swing path. Doesn't help in returning a good flat serve either when there's a much higher chance of shanking.
Then there is the serve. Every single first serve I saw was a slice serve. Every single one. Its not even remotely disguised either he tosses the ball out so far to the side.
Even a good 5.0 player is able to hit a slice serve without tossing the ball that far out to the side. He should be mixing up his serve way more.
On the other hand the fact that he's doing as well as he is despite those 2 major weaknesses shows how much potential he has. Obviously great fighter, mover, and very nice backhand. If he gets the forehand and serve on par with the rest of his game and starts being able to play offense in addition to the defense he could become really good.
dominikk1985
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well berankis is a much better Player than him it is easy to be mentally superior if you are the better Player.
mental strength does not Show against way superior or inferior Players but against Players at the same Level.
I can understand he is getting frustrated, probably he expected too much of himself.
Sounds like that was the biggest problem of the day.
Clemson_tennis
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Gomez lost 1-6 0-2 ret.
Clemson_tennis
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Very true. However Berankis showed his own ability to meltdown today vs inferior player Kudrayetsev. Just gotta stay within touching distance and not completely meltdown like Colin did
Colin showed his immaturity--not ready for the pros.
jaggy
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This is everywhere but also deserves to be here, former NC State player.
http://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-...eland’s-James-McGee’s-Emotional-Reaction.aspx
http://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-...eland’s-James-McGee’s-Emotional-Reaction.aspx
awesome stuff, well deserved, here's hoping he pulls off a win and puts himself in position to be in a few more grand slams
dominikk1985
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so what is if a college player enters the USO as a WC and wins the whole thing. can he keep all the money and still be eligible?
No. He is only allowed to keep as much money as he has spent on his food, lodging and transportation. If he accepts more than those expenses, he will no longer be consider an amateur. The cost of participating in the USO for the full two weeks is not even remotely close to the winner's paycheck.
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jaggy
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I am sure there is a cut off date for declaring pro and it would be prior to the tournament, I doubt you can just turn pro once you reach a certain round. not sure on the exact rule however.
Clemson_tennis
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I don't think there is any deadline. Players can turn pro whenever and accept prize money. I'm not sure either though.
GRANITECHIEF
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Giron looking good against Isner.
jaggy
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Was McEnroe still a student on his first Wimbledon run. I seem to remember reading he was but I cannot find any confirmation.
Lemmy
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No, idea. Dunno if rules were the same though.
The amazing thing is that shortly after I wrote my post Bellis won her R1 so now she has to turn down 60,000$
dominikk1985
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she only has to turn down what is left after all expenses, right?
(also who gets the turned down money? does the tournament keep it, or is it going straight to the NCAA?)
Money stays with tournament/USTA, NCAA has nothing to do with this, that is college system. CiCi walking away from 60K as mentioned (if this is as far as she goes, more if wins again obviously) and staying amateur for now, they discussed it in some of her interviews/press. She will be #1 junior and seeded as such in U.S. Open Jrs.
McEnroe won the mixed dubs at the French with Mary carillo and reached Wimbledon semis before he was a student at Stanford. He went to Stanford in the fall of that year.
FYI on Junior prize money. They can take up to $10K per year now, over and above their expenses. http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/article.asp?id=1771
jaggy
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Not too bad a feat!
10sfreakky
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Quiroz
Anyone know why Roberto Quiroz had to default the Claremont futures in the semis?
Anyone know why Roberto Quiroz had to default the Claremont futures in the semis?
Maximagq
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He played Daniel Garza (Mexico) in the Quarter finals and won the first set easily 6-1. In the second set he must have gotten hurt since their match started about 10 minutes before the Dennis Nevolo Vs Jeff Dadamo match in Stadium court and his match ended a lot later than the Nevolo match. Garza looked a bit over weight and didn't look like he could move but the 2nd set score of 7-5 showed that he's a smart player.
Maximagq
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http://youtu.be/K5CQVwQGhwQ
Here's the guy Quiroz played at Claremont. Sarmiento played this guy in the 2nd round of the qualifier and he pulled out too.
Here's the guy Quiroz played at Claremont. Sarmiento played this guy in the 2nd round of the qualifier and he pulled out too.
chris-swede
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Andy Bettles of Boise qualified for Swedish Futures
GRANITECHIEF
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Congrats to Gage for getting first ATP Point!
GRANITECHIEF
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I would nominate SoCal futures as the toughest ones on the futures circuit, definitely up there.
Clemson_tennis
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that's why you can't trust ATP rankings sometimes. The level of USA futures is very high. Meanwhile there are futures in other parts of the world where they are significantly weaker. About a month ago in a Gabon future a 31 year old Gabonese player who had never earned an ATP before made the quarters.
For sure, I know a few who certainly chased their first few ATP points by going to a jungle or island somewhere to buy their initial ranking. It helps if you can afford it. The players that qualified in socal then won a main draw match certainly earned any point(s) they got. Qualifying then winning is not easy, particularly in the US and socal. Funny, Novikov and Thompson had to qualy but Brymer gets a WC into main, go figure, it's all who you know.
The LL Brymer beat has singles and doubles rankings, so it wasn't like he be a shoeless player in a remote jungle. Brymer then lost to the #244 player in the world in 3 sets. Sounds to me like he earned his ATP point and proved the TD correct giving him the WC.
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