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Hypothetical peak aggressive Murray > everyoneHypothetical peak aggressive Mury has a better forehand than both.
Wawrinka forehand is second only to Federer in terms of aesthetics. Wawrinka has Fed's grace combined with more raw power. It looks like a punch more than a swing.Djokovic's is better but I'd take Wawrinka's. The set up and clean smack through the ball looks absolutely brutal in person. The thing of other player's nightmares.
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Hypothetical peak aggressive Mury has a better forehand than both.
Djokovic by a mile. The peak for peak thing is just a hypothetical that gives Stan a chance in this debate, but nobody would pick Stan's FH over Djokovic's on a day to day basis.
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Wawrinka is 3-17 to Nadal in the head to head.... while djokovic 27-25.. I don't see where you're going with this argument, besides purely opinion..Stanislas. He can hit through Nadal regularly the other cannot.
Wawrinka is 3-17 to Nadal in the head to head.... while djokovic 27-25.. I don't see where you're going with this argument, besides purely opinion..
Djokovic has a top 10 forehand all time, I'd take his forehand over Wawrinkas anyday, simply because it is so reliable....
Wawrinka can probably generate more mph, but that really doesn't mean anything... Do you guys remember 2011? Djokovic completely obliterated balls on both wings and decimated the whole tour with his groundstrokes.
Djokovic's forehand compared to Wawrinkas is:
-more consistent
-more solid at all levels of play including defense, offense, passing shots. and the return of serve
-Has more variety in spin and power
-At it's peak, is arguable in power to Wawrinkas easily.
Another thing is people tend to look at the speed and flashiness of the forehand as a determining factor. But, people underestimate how much penetration Novak's forehand and backhand gets. It is impossible to play against someone who places their rally balls at your feet every shot..
This is a practice video showing Novak's peak form before winning RG. The penetration and pop from his groundstrokes are off the charts LOL
Djokovic has a top 10 forehand all time, I'd take his forehand over Wawrinkas anyday, simply because it is so reliable....
It is precisely that reason I voted for Stan. Because the question implies them at their “peak”. So if you assume both of them are playing to the best of their ability, then extra firepower of Stan’s forehand makes his better in my opinion.Djokovic quite clearly. Stan has more fire power but for that that to have an effect he needs to play to his best ability.
Can't see where he is better other than having a bit more power on the FH side.
Wawrinka is 3-17 to Nadal in the head to head.... while djokovic 27-25.. I don't see where you're going with this argument, besides purely opinion..
Top 10?
Fed
Rafa
Agassi
DelHotro
Lendl
Courier
Ferrero
Moyà
Verdasco
Gonzales
- Safin
-Borg
-Blake
I honestly don’t see the logic of your argument. Your answer presumes that the quality of a single shot solely determines who generally wins or loses a match. It ignores all of the other reasons why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would all have a superior head to head against Stan. But the question isn’t asking about all of those variables, it’s only asking about the single stroke. So it doesn’t make sense to use head to head when determining who has a superior forehand. And I find it really bizarre that you’d include Djokovic in the top ten forehands of all time! Personally, I can think of at least a dozen forehands that I’d pick over his.Wawrinka is 3-17 to Nadal in the head to head.... while djokovic 27-25.. I don't see where you're going with this argument, besides purely opinion..
Djokovic has a top 10 forehand all time, I'd take his forehand over Wawrinkas anyday, simply because it is so reliable....
Wawrinka can probably generate more mph, but that really doesn't mean anything... Do you guys remember 2011? Djokovic completely obliterated balls on both wings and decimated the whole tour with his groundstrokes.
What a joke. as usualStanislas. He can hit through Nadal regularly the other cannot.
I honestly don’t see the logic of your argument. Your answer presumes that the quality of a single shot solely determines who generally wins or loses a match. It ignores all of the other reasons why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would all have a superior head to head against Stan. But the question isn’t asking about all of those variables, it’s only asking about the single stroke. So it doesn’t make sense to use head to head when determining who has a superior forehand. And I find it really bizarre that you’d include Djokovic in the top ten forehands of all time! Personally, I can think of at least a dozen forehands that I’d pick over his.
1- Federer
2- Del Potro
3- Nadal
4- González
5- Blake
6- Sampras
7- Agassi
8- Lendl
8- Soderling
10- Monfils
11- Kyrgios
12- Verdasco
I put Djokovic in the “honorable mentions” category:
Roddick
Wawrinka
Sock
Ferrero
Djokovic
Courier
Moya
Cilic
Isner
Querrey
Novak has 100X better forehand. Stan's forehand is his weakest shot that breaks down under pressureWho has the better forehand?
Peak Wawrinka or peak Djokovic?
As a winning shot: Wawrinka's, obviously. For instance, in the RG15 final, Stan hit 36 fh winners to Novak's 8... True story. Stan's forehand is very underrated, because of his backhand's flair.
But for consistent rallying and, more importantly, return of serve: Djokovic by some distance. A better package, no doubt!
His forehand may be better than his backhand, but the same can be said of 90% of the male players. Most of them have stronger forehands because it’s an easier shot. Only the ones who have terrible forehands have a backhand that might be considered “better”. See Richard Gasquet! Anyways, just because Novak falls into the same category of players who have a better forehand does not put his forehand in the top 5 all time. Novak wins not just by his groundstrokes, but by a combination superior fitness, superior court coverage, superior positioning, superior return of serve, superior backhand, superior mental toughness, superior heart/passion, and an above average serve, above average variety, and above average forehand. So it’s a combination of many factors (which frankly most players don’t have) that enables him to win. It’s NOT because he has a top 5 forehand all time.Thing is Novak is at least top 5 greatest of all time. He wins by ground strokes. His best shot is his forehand as he runs around his backhand to hit his forehand often. So how isn’t his forehand one of the greatest? It may not be the best looking shot though.
As a winning shot: Wawrinka's, obviously. For instance, in the RG15 final, Stan hit 36 fh winners to Novak's 8... True story.
His forehand may be better than his backhand, but the same can be said of 90% of the male players. Most of them have stronger forehands because it’s an easier shot. Only the ones who have terrible forehands have a backhand that might be considered “better”. See Richard Gasquet! Anyways, just because Novak falls into the same category of players who have a better forehand does not put his forehand in the top 5 all time. Novak wins not just by his groundstrokes, but by a combination superior fitness, superior court coverage, superior positioning, superior return of serve, superior backhand, superior mental toughness, superior heart/passion, and an above average serve, above average variety, and above average forehand. So it’s a combination of many factors (which frankly most players don’t have) that enables him to win. It’s NOT because he has a top 5 forehand all time.
That same tournament, Djokovic hit 23 FH winners to Nadal's 3. Does Djokovic have a better fh than Nadal now?
I honestly don’t see the logic of your argument. Your answer presumes that the quality of a single shot solely determines who generally wins or loses a match. It ignores all of the other reasons why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would all have a superior head to head against Stan. But the question isn’t asking about all of those variables, it’s only asking about the single stroke. So it doesn’t make sense to use head to head when determining who has a superior forehand. And I find it really bizarre that you’d include Djokovic in the top ten forehands of all time! Personally, I can think of at least a dozen forehands that I’d pick over his.
1- Federer
2- Del Potro
3- Nadal
4- González
5- Blake
6- Sampras
7- Agassi
8- Lendl
8- Soderling
10- Monfils
11- Kyrgios
12- Verdasco
I put Djokovic in the “honorable mentions” category:
Roddick
Wawrinka
Sock
Ferrero
Djokovic
Courier
Moya
Cilic
Isner
Querrey
Monfils and Kyrgios over Djokovic?I honestly don’t see the logic of your argument. Your answer presumes that the quality of a single shot solely determines who generally wins or loses a match. It ignores all of the other reasons why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would all have a superior head to head against Stan. But the question isn’t asking about all of those variables, it’s only asking about the single stroke. So it doesn’t make sense to use head to head when determining who has a superior forehand. And I find it really bizarre that you’d include Djokovic in the top ten forehands of all time! Personally, I can think of at least a dozen forehands that I’d pick over his.
1- Federer
2- Del Potro
3- Nadal
4- González
5- Blake
6- Sampras
7- Agassi
8- Lendl
8- Soderling
10- Monfils
11- Kyrgios
12- Verdasco
I put Djokovic in the “honorable mentions” category:
Roddick
Wawrinka
Sock
Ferrero
Djokovic
Courier
Moya
Cilic
Isner
Querrey
Is tennis not about winning? What kind of argument is this?I honestly don’t see the logic of your argument. Your answer presumes that the quality of a single shot solely determines who generally wins or loses a match. It ignores all of the other reasons why Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would all have a superior head to head against Stan. But the question isn’t asking about all of those variables, it’s only asking about the single stroke. So it doesn’t make sense to use head to head when determining who has a superior forehand. And I find it really bizarre that you’d include Djokovic in the top ten forehands of all time! Personally, I can think of at least a dozen forehands that I’d pick over his.
1- Federer
2- Del Potro
3- Nadal
4- González
5- Blake
6- Sampras
7- Agassi
8- Lendl
8- Soderling
10- Monfils
11- Kyrgios
12- Verdasco
I put Djokovic in the “honorable mentions” category:
Roddick
Wawrinka
Sock
Ferrero
Djokovic
Courier
Moya
Cilic
Isner
Querrey
Yep Nole’s FH was unreal. I particularly enjoyed his young aggressive FH in matches like the 07 Montreal final, 08 AO in general.Is tennis not about winning? What kind of argument is this?
Having a better stroke or game than someone will allow you to beat them........ That's all there is to it.
Now as for your list... It literally looks like a list of who can hit forehands the fastest..
Some of these players had good forehand runs, but to say they have a better forehand than Djokovic is ridiculous.
Novak would win a forehand to forehand rally most of the times with Verdasco, Monfils, Kyrgios, Soderling, Sampras, and Blake....
With modern forehand form and racquet technology, Djokovic trumps out Agassi and Sampras.
The only players I could definitely say had a scary forehand better than Novak is Fed, Nadal, Del Po, and Gonzalez.
Think about it...... Novak faced against the two greatest forehands ever in Nadal and Fed. AND he has a winning record against them. His game revolves around his baseline game and you're telling me he's not in the top 10? The man even has a winning head to head against Del Potro who once said that Novak's groundstrokes on both wings are extremely lethal.