Djokovic v Alcaraz = The Heavyweight showdown the RG final needs?
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LetWinner
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Err maybe they can run a poll and ask if the fans would be ok with it and be transparent about the whole process. . .?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Somebody may figure it out.
platypus50
Rookie
I suspect that Djokovic will likely draw Nadal or Alcaraz in the QF.
Nadal and Alcaraz will both be drawn into the top half - hopefully not though.
Nadal and Alcaraz will both be drawn into the top half - hopefully not though.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
What tennis needs is Nadal to crush them both
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
Nadal and Alcaraz - yes
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It really depends on what the drawmakers want. I can't imagine they'd prefer Alcaraz-Tsitsipas in the quarters over Djokoraz or Alcadal.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Either of Nadalcarazovic in Medvedev and Tsitispas side of the draw will book his ticket straight to the final. Damn, Med should skip RG lol
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
They'll try and give Nadal the easiest possible draw as usual
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I don't think Nadal and Alcaraz can play until the semis, since they are ranked outside the top four.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Alcadal only in semis. But Djokovic can get either Alcaraz or Nadal in his quarter.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokodal quarter? Would you take it?
We really want to see Fit Nadal play Fit Djoker
Very slim chance of that happening with Nadal’s injuries.
So Charley and Joker the next best thing. What makes this one interesting is that despite the previous meeting Joker is favourite in my book. Best of 5 king. Clay champion, recent form shows him fit and fresh. Were Alcaraz to beat him here, then yes - 25 slams+ GOAT talk will not be out of place!
Very slim chance of that happening with Nadal’s injuries.
So Charley and Joker the next best thing. What makes this one interesting is that despite the previous meeting Joker is favourite in my book. Best of 5 king. Clay champion, recent form shows him fit and fresh. Were Alcaraz to beat him here, then yes - 25 slams+ GOAT talk will not be out of place!
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
100%
Djok - Craz final is what tennis desperately needs rn, even though they are in denial
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Quality wise, considering both are in form and just won some big titles, plus had a spicy match in Madrid, a RG final between them would give the best quality. And of course the storytelling, the heavyweight champion of the world against the future heavyweight champion of the world - Enticing.
A Djokodal quarter would be a good match also, since Nadal would be a little more fresher, so might get some good play.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
A word of caution: Novak won today by going to a TB against a man who has a lifetime record of winning 21% of his return games. He's up to 24% this year, but that's still 10-11 points below Carlos. City Bus breaks about 1/4 times. Carlos does it lately more then 1/3
It's way too soon to confidently say Novak is back. His year so far is worse than any other than a couple of really low points. Can he win RG? In my mind two things have to happen. He has to play even better, though he's obviously now going in the right direction. And Carlos has to seriously fade. He's just barely below 60% of games this year, and that's the sign of a man who will win 1 or 2 slams. We have to see if he can maintain that. If he fades, falling way below that by the end of the year, he may not win a slam. But it's a good bet that if he finishes around 60% at the end of the year, he almost has to win one, and maybe two. We'll see.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Carlos has won a smaller % of his games on clay than Djokovic did last season. If Djokovic is in 2021 form it is Alcaraz who will need to level up.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
You have Carlos at number one and Novak at number two for the title?
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
I want Nadal as early as possible. Before he can get into form
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Earliest is quarters, but that is still second week, and he probably would be rounding into form by then.
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but he probably won't have faced anyone that tough until then
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I guess that depends on how healthy he is, he is practising already, so looks like the foot issue wasn't as bad as many including myself thought.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Laughs in 2015.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
He was out of form all year that season, this season he won a couple of titles, one which was quite big.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
No, because I don't make predictions, ever. Novak has been trolling all of us for a very long time, You bet against this guy if you want to make a fool out of yourself. You remember: he's too small, not enough muscle. He's in decline. And then he wins again.
Here is as far as I'll go, putting myself out on a limb.
On the list below Carlsson is an outlier because he had a short career and mostly played clay, inflating his number. The most games are ALWAYS won on clay, the least on grass. Borg is inflated because he quit young and had so many wins on clay. Nadal is the same. Sampras looks low because of clay, and because he was famous for not giving his best until final rounds and in slams. Otherwise, look at the guys above 59%. Murderers' Row.
Carlos may or may not end up on this list. He has to do it for a career, and it's just too soon to predict something so stellar. But right now he has the right numbers. The fact that at this point he seems to be winning on serve about like Nadal is a huge plus. Now we just have to watch!
Borg | 60.08% |
Nadal | 59.86% |
Connors | 59.69% |
Carlsson | 59.68% |
McEnroe | 59.52% |
Lendl | 59.51% |
Djokovic | 59.30% |
Federer | 58.07% |
Laver | 58.04% |
Vilas | 57.97% |
Agassi | 57.69% |
Orantes | 57.36% |
Rosewall | 57.10% |
Santana | 56.97% |
Murray | 56.62% |
Edberg | 56.61% |
Nastase | 56.54% |
Becker | 56.34% |
Sampras |
Hitman
Bionic Poster
True. Very well put.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Orantes is a puzzle, but perhaps he did not play often enough off clay...
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Not according to tennis ultimate:
Carlos: 58.46
Novak: 54.43
The stats may not be fully updated, but if you are using ATP stats, you are getting garbage.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not sure where you're seeing it, this is what I see for Novak > 2021 > All levels > Clay:
Ultimate Tennis Statistics - Novak Djokovic
Novak Djokovic profile at Ultimate Tennis Statistics
www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com
Would love to be wrong...
| Total | |
|---|---|
| Points Dominance | 1.36 |
| Games Dominance | 2.31 |
| Break Points Ratio | 1.24 |
| Total Points Won % | 55.7% |
| Games Won % | 61.8% |
| Sets Won % | 74.6% |
| Matches Won % | 85.7% |
| Match Time | 2:16 |
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Go to statistics, games: pick % of games won. You must be in the wrong place.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I see the issue, I've been mentioning 2021 - because I view Djokovic's 2022 statistics as an aberration and expect him to be in 2021 form or close to it, as he has been getting stronger as time goes on. In my view, Djokovic will level up considerably relative to his 2022 numbers, he has already shown signs of it. Hence, Alcaraz in my view must also level up.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
If Novak gets back up to near peak level on clay, he's the guy to beat if Nadal remains injured.
Alcaraz won 3 out of 4 clay court tournaments he played this year. Plus Davis cup wins on clay.
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