Do you think Zverev will have a better career than Andy Murray?

Who will have the better career achievements?

  • Murray

    Votes: 39 62.9%

  • Zverev

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Total voters
    62
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Hyde

Rookie
Some of Murray’s most important achievements:

- 3 slams (11 finals)
- about 40 weeks at #1
- 2 Olympic gold
- 1 ATP finals
- 14 Masters (21 finals)
- 46 tournament wins


Zverev at the moment (age 24):

- 0 slams (1 final)
- peaked at #3
- 1 Olympic gold
- 1 ATP final
- 4 Masters (8 finals)
- 16 tournament wins


Murray at Zverevs age (at this point of 2011 season):

- 0 slams (3 finals) —> advantage Murray
- peaked at #2 —> advantage Murray
- 0 Olympic gold —> advantage Zverev
- 0 ATP finals —> advantage Zverev
- 6 masters (7 finals) —> advantage Murray
- 17 tournament wins —> almost tied
 
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King_olaf_the_hairy

King_olaf_the_hairy

Semi-Pro
Hyde said:
Murray at Zverevs age (at this point of 2011 season):

- 0 slams (3 finals) —> advantage Murray
- peaked at #3 —> tied
- 0 Olympic gold —> advantage Zverev
- 0 ATP finals —> advantage Zverev
- 6 masters (7 finals) —> advantage Murray
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Murray reached #2 for four weeks in August/September 2009.[SOURCE] In fact he beat Djokovic to the #2 spot by a few months.
 
Rebel-I.N.S

Rebel-I.N.S

Hall of Fame
Hyde said:
Some of Murray’s most important achievements:

- 3 slams (11 finals)
- about 40 weeks at #1
- 2 Olympic gold
- 1 ATP finals
- 14 Masters (21 finals)
- 46 tournament wins


Zverev at the moment (age 24):

- 0 slams (1 final)
- peaked at #3
- 1 Olympic gold
- 1 ATP final
- 4 Masters (8 finals)
- 16 tournament wins


Murray at Zverevs age (at this point of 2011 season):

- 0 slams (3 finals) —> advantage Murray
- peaked at #3 —> tied
- 0 Olympic gold —> advantage Zverev
- 0 ATP finals —> advantage Zverev
- 6 masters (7 finals) —> advantage Murray
- 17 tournament wins —> almost tied
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Murray was #2 in the world in 2009.

I think Zverev has a decent chance but mainly because the field will be very weak after the Big 3 are gone for good.
 
Kralingen

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
I could easily see Zverev winning more than 3 slams and even having a longer stint at #1, of course injuries and mental focus will be the issue.

In terms of quality and level though I think Murray will always be superior to Zed unless he makes large improvements in his play.
 
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MadariKatu

Hall of Fame
Zverev probably has better winning achievemts, but Murray will have better losing ones. What I mean is that I don't see Zverev getting to 11 slam finals or 21 masters finals. Most importantly, when comparing, we'll know that Murray did what he did while big3 were at their peaks/primes. Sometimes comparisons might not be fair, but this will be brought to the discussion time and time again.
 
vex

vex

Legend
Wow this is hard to predict. Zvev is impossible to prognosticate because he has a near-big 3 level ceiling, probabaly higher than Murray’s ceiling if we’re being honest BUT he has stagnated since he made the leap into the top 5-6. We’ll know in the next year I’d say because if he doesn’t improve his serves and aggression now it’ll probably never happen.
 
SteffiGoat

SteffiGoat

Professional
MadariKatu said:
Zverev probably has better winning achievemts, but Murray will have better losing ones. What I mean is that I don't see Zverev getting to 11 slam finals or 21 masters finals. Most importantly, when comparing, we'll know that Murray did what he did while big3 were at their peaks/primes. Sometimes comparisons might not be fair, but this will be brought to the discussion time and time again.
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Zverev has already been to 8 Masters finals. He is insanely good at BO3s. I would be surprised if he did not get to more than 20 Finals by the time he is 30 (probably a lot earlier).
 
Bertie B

Bertie B

Hall of Fame
Yes but Murray would’ve had an ATG career with no Big 3 around. The guy reached 21 slam SF.
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Wawrinka? Had Stan not existed the BIG 3 excuse might have been valid. However, Stan's success proved that they or Djokovic was beatable.
 
Bertie B

Bertie B

Hall of Fame
Both guys, and Kyrios, are zodiac sign Taurus. This sign is known for taking their time to mature so I dunno. Agassi was the last of his BIG 4 to win a major, Murray was the last of his BIG 4 to win a major. Dimitrov...

All told I expect him to do better because she's among the best of his generation as opposed to a rung or two below a la Murray.
 
C

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
It'll take more than winning this medal to convince me he's a multi-slam winner. Can start by.... winning a slam?

Olympics isn't a nothing tournament, but like USO 2020, it's a bit weird, and thankfully, Zverev actually defeated Djokovic as opposed to having him ejected for.... well, a very Djokovic tantrum.

It's a good start, but it'll take more than that. Novak's lost to youngsters before in Masters and the ATP Finals. It's a small step for Next-Gen, we still need the giant leap for.... mankind? Whatever.
 
Nadalgaenger

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Arguably a zoning Zverev has higher peak on HC. Murray MUCH more consistent though.
Muzz light years ahead on grass.
Zverev arguably better on clay already.
 
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Nadalgaenger said:
Arguably a zoning Zverev has higher peak on HC. Murray MUCH more consistent though.
Muzz light years ahead on grass.
Zverev arguably better on clay already.
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I doubt Zverev had a higher peak on HC not seen anything in a slam at Murray AO 2012 or 2013 level and even clay is not easy to say considering how Murray played on clay in 2015 and 2016.
 
King_olaf_the_hairy

King_olaf_the_hairy

Semi-Pro
BeatlesFan said:
The Olympics is not a tournament. The person who won the last ATP tournament is Isner, who won the Atlanta Open today.
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Eh?

I mean, aside from the general dictionary definition of tournament, you have it described as such on both the official Olympics website...

"Every four years, the Olympic Tennis tournament attracts the world's top stars..."
"At Tokyo 2020, the tournament will follow a knockout format with men's and women's singles and doubles competitions, and a mixed doubles event that was first contested at London 2012."

...and by the ATP themselves, where it's listed as one of the events on the TOURNAMENT calendar at ATPTour.com.

Or am I just missing some weird internet in-joke?
 
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D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Outside of Slam Zverev is doing very well. If he figures out how to win Bo5 match without getting pushed into decider by nobodies - he will have better numbers in end.
 
kevaninho

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Well Murray done his thing while playing much better versions of Fed, Nadal and Djokovic. Not to mention other players who were much better than we have today.

Zverev may well go on to win 5 slams after the big 3 are gone , but I'd still never rate him as better than Murray. He literally can't beat them in bO5 while being 10 years younger.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
The people who are giving Murray an advantage for making so many finals in big 3 era are forgetting some of his horrendous results in the final. He also lost to a 35 year old Federer. Zverev has lost to a 33 year old Djokovic but who knows in 2 years.
 
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
If only Zverev had managed to serve out for the title at 2020 USO he would now be the only active player other than Murray to have won titles in every single category of main tour tennis tournament.

As it is he still lacks the most important one of all.
 
MeatTornado

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
nachiket nolefam said:
The people who are giving Murray an advantage for making so many finals in big 3 era are forgetting some of his horrendous results in the final. He also lost to a 35 year old Federer. Zverev has lost to a 33 year old Djokovic but who knows in 2 years.
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Andy lost to a 35 year old Fed at Wimbledon, but he'd already beaten a 25 & 26 year old Djokovic to win the USO & Wimbledon.

If Zverev had a few wins like that under his belt he'd be cut a bit more slack for the losses against a mid-30s Novak.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
MeatTornado said:
Andy lost to a 35 year old Fed at Wimbledon, but he'd already beaten a 25 & 26 year old Djokovic to win the USO & Wimbledon.

If Zverev had a few wins like that under his belt he'd be cut a bit more slack for the losses against a mid-30s Novak.
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He will get it sooner than later. Andy will not have 4 slams ever. Zverev might. 50/50 on it.
 
BGod

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Chang vs. Zverev

The Olympic Gold is straight 500 level now so completely irrelevant for Zverev.

0 Slams is 0 and yes Murray's 8 Finals are worth something along with his weeks at #1 and HIS Olympic Golds.

I still see Zverev winning 1 Slam by default but not much more. Would need at least 4 to have an argument over Andy.
 
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tsurismo5

Semi-Pro
I predict that they will have the exact same numbers at the end, leaving H2H as the tiebreak. With Murray 2-0, Murray wins.
 
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