Ebden vs Thiem = Old Gen vs New Gen in a nutshell

[Tennease]

Old Gen has all court game, not lazy and is willing to venture forward with good transition game. Old Gen has a sound attacking net skill.

New Gen is lazy baseline campers. Bashing balls from the back of the court all day long. It won't work on fast court season.

New Gen players must be willing to learn all court game and stop the nonsense baseline bashing.

It reminds me when Llodra beat Djokovic in Paris Masters.

 

[Jonas78]

Every time you think Thiem is about to step up this happens...

 

[tennisaddict]

Thiem will go deep .. as long as it is a 250

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Djokovic does it all the time! Works for him! Lol What they should learn is to grow some thick skin, because they are mentally as fragile as the glass! Especially Zverev!...

 

[Jonas78]

Thiem will go deep .. as long as it is a 250

Remember, it is a strong young generation. Djokov... eeh, i mean Ebden just makes them look weak

 

[tennisaddict]

Remember, it is a strong young generation. Djokov... eeh, i mean Ebden just makes them look weak

Peak Ebden greater than frauds from 2004-07

 

[George Turner]

Old Gen has all court game, not lazy and is willing to venture forward with good transition game. Old Gen has a sound attacking net skill.

New Gen is lazy baseline campers. Bashing balls from the back of the court all day long. It won't work on fast court season.

New Gen players must be willing to learn all court game and stop the nonsense baseline bashing.

It reminds me when Llodra beat Djokovic in Paris Masters.

Didn't Llodra reach the final that year?

Goes to show serve-volley tennis would still work if more fast courts were on the tour.

 

[Jonas78]

Peak Ebden greater than frauds from 2004-07

Just wait for Lew to back that up with stats

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic does it all the time! Works for him! Lol What they should learn is to grow some thick skin, because they are mentally as fragile as the glass! Especially Zverev!...

This is the story of tennis competition since 2014

 

[prairiegirl]

Ebden d. Thiem.

 

[ibbi]

You know, I was absolutely on the good ol' weak era train back in the day, and I am not hopping off of it, but watching people like Ebden or Baghdatis or other assorted randoms totally out class the leaders of the current generations is highly amusing, and mean if that back then was a weak era then we need whole new words to describe what state tennis is in right now.

No major winners under 30. What is it... 2 major finalists under 30? Nobody knows how to play at net, there's basically one guy who can comfortably make his way through preliminary rounds, and even he is struggling at the moment and can't do it over best of 5. What a joke.

 

[tennisaddict]

You know, I was absolutely on the good ol' weak era train back in the day, and I am not hopping off of it, but watching people like Ebden or Baghdatis or other assorted randoms totally out class the leaders of the current generations is highly amusing, and mean if that back then was a weak era then we need whole new words to describe what state tennis is in right now.

No major winners under 30. What is it... 2 major finalists under 30? Nobody knows how to play at net, there's basically one guy who can comfortably make his way through preliminary rounds, and even he is struggling at the moment and can't do it over best of 5. What a joke.

This is the very definition of weak era.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I love Thiem. I think he has done very well to keep his place around and in the top 10 players of the world. The one thing that absolutely drives me nuts watching him though is he doesn't have an aggressive, well-placed put-away shot during matches. He still hits everything all out and with too little margin, and it was VERY apparent in this match against Ebden, who played a solid, steady, and controlled match. If Thiem throttles his power just a bit in some of the point construction, ESPECIALLY in put-away postions, he'll move the dial a bit for himself.

Great match overall from both though.

 

[Goof]

Yes, OP, the first word that comes to mind when I think of Thiem is "lazy".

 

[jm1980]

Thiem is generally useless on hard court

Just goes to show how the USO this year was basically played on clay

 

[DismalFuture]

Old Gen=GOATs .

Thiem is doing just fine, don't pick on the kid.

 

[Plamen1234]

Didn't Llodra reach the final that year?

Goes to show serve-volley tennis would still work if more fast courts were on the tour.

No.He lost to Soderling in the semifinal.

 

[George Turner]

No.He lost to Soderling in the semifinal.

I said he reached the final

I recall the courts were very fast that year and a journeyman serve/volleyer GOATed. If Llodra could do it there, serve and volley would still prosper on the ATP if more courts were like that.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Thiem - lol

 

[Shank Volley]

I don't know if it's just me but it feels like more often than not when a top player is struggling or facing conditions that don't suit them, an Australian shows up on the other side of the net.

 

[2good4U]

New Gen is lazy baseline campers. Bashing balls from the back of the court all day long. It won't work on fast court season.

New Gen players must be willing to learn all court game and stop the nonsense baseline bashing.

There's nothing lazy about hitting big from the baseline!

Now, if you lack the power, endurance and skill to hang from the baseline, there's always doubles.

 

[Wurm]

No major winners under 30. What is it... 2 major finalists under 30

Thiem, Raonic and Nishikori. 25, 27 and 28 respectively.

None under 25.

Even with technology having stabilised and modern health regimes allowing the best players to keep going for longer it's still a pretty poor show.

 

[Pete Player]

New gen seems to just hit the ball their guts out. Tactics and pacing is really too simple.


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[King No1e]

I said he reached the final

I recall the courts were very fast that year and a journeyman serve/volleyer GOATed. If Llodra could do it there, serve and volley would still prosper on the ATP if more courts were like that.

Raonic reached SF of Australian Open and World Championship and made Wimbledon final, beating Federer in 5 sets on the way.

The art of S&V is not.dead yet.

 

[Tshooter]

Yes, OP, the first word that comes to mind when I think of Thiem is "lazy".

Yes, you do read some ludicrous things on this site.

 

[Meles]

Old Gen has all court game, not lazy and is willing to venture forward with good transition game. Old Gen has a sound attacking net skill.

New Gen is lazy baseline campers. Bashing balls from the back of the court all day long. It won't work on fast court season.

New Gen players must be willing to learn all court game and stop the nonsense baseline bashing.

It reminds me when Llodra beat Djokovic in Paris Masters.

 

[Meles]

You know, I was absolutely on the good ol' weak era train back in the day, and I am not hopping off of it, but watching people like Ebden or Baghdatis or other assorted randoms totally out class the leaders of the current generations is highly amusing, and mean if that back then was a weak era then we need whole new words to describe what state tennis is in right now.

No major winners under 30. What is it... 2 major finalists under 30? Nobody knows how to play at net, there's basically one guy who can comfortably make his way through preliminary rounds, and even he is struggling at the moment and can't do it over best of 5. What a joke.

This is quite telling. In the 2003 – 2007, the inexperienced overweight versions of Baghdatis were all over slam finals. After 8 years of intense training, losing 50lbs+, and tremendous improvement in every aspect of his game, he still isn’t ready to face the competition, struggling to squeeze by a beginner journeyman in 1R of a Challenger. Boy are we in a different era now!

 

[Tshooter]

...but watching people like Ebden or Baghdatis or other assorted randoms totally out class the leaders of the current generations...

The only place Baggy is outclassing anyone is in line at the players cafeteria.

 

[Tennease]

Well you know what, if he serves and volleys more often he might have been able to beat Djokovic today.

 

[Meles]

Well you know what, if he serves and volleys more often he might have been able to beat Djokovic today.

Bah. NextGen B team One-legged choker/pusher Boric did a good enough job today. The story was serve..... against Federe, Coric was insanely big with 78% first serves in to boot. Average first/second was 199kph/150kph. After one set against Djoko, Coric was 195kph/146kph with 71% in play, but by end of match was 188kph/151kph for the entire match, not just the set. This jacked his first serve percentage to the match back up to 78%. Not sure what it was all about, but not feeling it on serve and probably feeling tight so went with more conservative first serve. If he'd been holding on serve, probably would have had enough pressure on Djoko to squeek out a break.

With Boric electing to push in the first serves don't think S&V was in the cards.