Federer prefers slow courts, not fast courts!

[abmk]

Not sure what is your point. What is the relation with what you quoted?. He was having knee problems and didn't want to make them worse. I completely understand it if he tanked the match (and it sort of looked like it to me too).

knee problems ? :lol:

yeah, that's why he dominated the field at rome after that ?

I mean do you even really watch your 'so called guy' play ?

I mean I'm no fan, but I did watch/remember many of the great matches he's played ( of course many of the beatdowns he's received as well )

Did you even watch when berdych gave it his all and yet lost in straights vs nadal at rome !? ( that was probably nadal's best match that year )

He handled nole comfortably as well, beating him in straights @ rome

then cruised to the semis @ RG, losing the least games he had until that stage @ any RG

only lost one set to nole in the final ....

some knee injured guy !

he was being a whiny crybaby about the blue clay at madrid ..... that's it. ( so was nole btw )

 

[Crisstti]

knee problems ? :lol:

yeah, that's why he dominated the field at rome after that ?

I mean do you even really watch your 'so called guy' play ?

I mean I'm no fan, but I do watch/remember many of the great matches he's played ( of course many of the beatdowns he's received as well )

Did you even watch when berdych gave it his all and yet lost in straights vs nadal at rome !? ( that was probably nadal's best match that year )

He handled nole comfortably as well, beating him in straights @ rome

then cruised to the semis @ RG, losing the least games he had until that stage @ any RG

only lost one set to nole in the final ....

some knee injured guy !

he was being a whiny crybaby about the blue clay at madrid ..... that's it. ( so was nole btw )

He also was out for 8 months not long after that, and had withdrawn from the Miami semi not long before.

But you think he did those things for the fun of it, I know.

BTW, the organizers of Madrid admitted they f*cked up, so that the surface there wasn't playing properly is not even up for debate.

 

[abmk]

He also was out for 8 months not long after that,

mental burnout .

and had withdrawn from the Miami semi not long before.

yeah, a real injury, that's why ....

but then lost a grand total of 1 set in 4 red clay tournaments after that - barcelona, monte carlo, rome, RG .... 1 set .....

But you think he did those things for the fun of it, I know.

see above

BTW, the organizers of Madrid admitted they f*cked up, so that the surface there wasn't playing properly is not even up for debate.

and if you actually bothered to see/observe properly, monte carlo that year was worse --- players actually suffered severe injuries there ... neither nadal nor djokovic were anywhere near vocal about the bad courts in monte carlo

the organisers at madrid did admit that the surface wasn't good, because it wasn't - that was due to improper preparation that time ....doesn't mean the blue clay concept/idea was a devilish one like nadal or djokovic made it out to be ........

 

[Povl Carstensen]

I'm giving Backspin a dose of his own medicine...

Sorry, but "a dose of his own medicine" is childish, imho. The old "you started" - level of arguing.

 

[Backspin1183]

I'm giving Backspin a dose of his own medicine...

I'm not a medicine man but care to explain how you're giving me a dose of my own medicine? Did you find me making rude posts about Federer's wife or his mom? I never do that.

 

[Crisstti]

Sure, mental burnout, are you inside his head?. Mental burnout when he was on a 3 match winning streak against Novak, but not when he was in a 7 match losing streak?. makes A LOT of sense.

Tendinitis problems don't just appear out of nowhere, it makes perfect sense he was having them for a while. Inform yourself a little.

There were some problems with the surface in Monte Carlo, but it wasn't an issue of the whole surface which didn't work properly.

mental burnout .

yeah, a real injury, that's why ....

but then lost a grand total of 1 set in 4 red clay tournaments after that - barcelona, monte carlo, rome, RG .... 1 set .....



see above



and if you actually bothered to see/observe properly, monte carlo that year was worse --- players actually suffered severe injuries there ... neither nadal nor djokovic were anywhere near vocal about the bad courts in monte carlo

the organisers at madrid did admit that the surface wasn't good, because it wasn't - that was due to improper preparation that time ....doesn't mean the blue clay concept/idea was a devilish one like nadal or djokovic made it out to be ........

 

[octobrina10]

...the organisers at madrid did admit that the surface wasn't good, because it wasn't - that was due to improper preparation that time...

It was slippery.

 

[Start da Game]

“Obviously the margins are smaller on a quicker court,” Federer said on Friday. “Because let’s say the first game I do get broken because he hits a few good shots and maybe I serve one, maybe two maximum serves not perfect, you’re right away in trouble, which on a slower court is
not going to happen that quickly. So I feel probably a bit more confident on a slower court against a normal player. Against top guys, they can also play very well on the faster courts as well.”

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2014-01-04/14452.php

i said the same thing at mtf 4 years ago, that federer indeed prefers slow courts......he was never as good on fast courts as fetards make him out to be......

 

[Omega_7000]

I'm not a medicine man but care to explain how you're giving me a dose of my own medicine? Did you find me making rude posts about Federer's wife or his mom? I never do that.

When did I say that? I meant your style of posting...

 

[Omega_7000]

i said the same thing at mtf 4 years ago, that federer indeed prefers slow courts......he was never as good on fast courts as fetards make him out to be......

Here again just for you...

He does not want the courts to be slowed down...I'm going to keep posting this until it sinks in.

Interview from 2014

Federer delighted by Open's quick courts

"If that's what people want to see, just rallies, rallies, rallies all the time, then it's good to have a slow court. If you want a bit more even ground for everybody, even the lower-ranked guys and more danger for the top guys, you go with a faster court," Federer said in Brisbane, where he lost the final to Lleyton Hewitt and reached the semi-finals in doubles.

"Maybe we'll get more serve and volley back into the game or more of the unknown, which I think is nice. I think it's quite incredible how things have slowed down over the years."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ns-quick-courts/story-fnbe6xeb-1226795395217#

Interview from 2012

Roger Federer wants faster courts

"It's an easy fix. Just make quicker courts, then it's hard to defend," Federer said. "Attacking style is more important. It's only on this type of slow courts that you can defend the way we are all doing right now."

"What you don't want is that you hit 15 great shots and at the end, it ends up in an error," he said. "So I think sometimes quicker courts do help the cause. I think it would help from time to time to move to something a bit faster. That would help to learn, as well, for many different players, different playing styles, to realize that coming to the net is a good thing, it's not a bad thing."

"I think some variety would be nice, some really slow stuff and then some really fast stuff, instead of trying to make everything sort of the same," he said. "You sort of protect the top guys really by doing that because you have the best possible chance to have them in the semis at this point, I think. But should that be the goal? I'm not sure."

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/8625576/roger-federer-wants-faster-courts-encourage-attack

 

[Start da Game]

yeah he wants those surfaces whichever he doesn't struggle on at that point......he cried and removed carpets in 2006 because he was losing regularly on them......he kept mum on slow surfaces all the while when he was busy winning slam after slam upto 2009......only after he knew that he was not good enough anymore to win slams, he opened his mouth on slow courts......

 

[Omega_7000]

yeah he wants those surfaces whichever he doesn't struggle on at that point......he cried and removed carpets in 2006 because he was losing regularly on them......he kept mum on slow surfaces all the while when he was busy winning slam after slam upto 2009......only after he knew that he was not good enough anymore to win slams, he opened his mouth on slow courts......

WTH??? :-?

Please provide some evidence to back up your claims...I don't see any reason for him to do that.

He's been in favor of mixing up slow and fast back then as he is now.

 

[Crisstti]

WTH??? :-?

Please provide some evidence to back up your claims...I don't see any reason for him to do that.

He's been in favor of mixing up slow and fast back then as he is now.

You might want to search around the forum. It's been talked about a few times that both Nadal and Fed lobbied to remove carpet.

 

[Forehand Of Doom]

The courts Federer prefers are actually courts without Nadal in them.

 

[Omega_7000]

The courts Federer prefers are actually courts without Nadal in them.

This is you typical response when you don't have an argument.........."blah blah blah........H2H..........blah blah blah"

You might want to search around the forum. It's been talked about a few times that both Nadal and Fed lobbied to remove carpet.

So both Federer and Nadal rallied to remove carpet because it was too fast? :-? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[dudeski]

Federer is not a self-serving selfish player like your idol...:roll:........The courts are too fast no? We need to have less hard court tournaments no? Why is the WTF always played indoors no? Why don't we get more time between points no? Why don't we have a two year ranking system no? Why don't we have only first serve so the big servers have absolutely zero chance against me no?

LOL
10whinynadals

 

[Steve0904]

So both Federer and Nadal rallied to remove carpet because it was too fast? :-? I'll believe it when I see it.

I believe it had more to do with the risk of injury being higher on carpet than other surfaces rather than them being too fast, but I could be wrong.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

This is you typical response when you don't have an argument.........."blah blah blah........H2H..........blah blah blah"



So both Federer and Nadal rallied to remove carpet because it was too fast? :-? I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't remember if Nadal and Federer rallied to remove carpet courts, but I do remember the ATP banned carpet courts in 2008 and said that the top players had reached the decision.

However, I do remember that Federer, Nadal, Agassi and Coria all complained about the indoor carpet surface (quite harshly) that was used in shanghai in 2005. The following year it was replaced by a regular indoor surface.

"I am not a huge fan of the surface, to be honest. It makes me feel strange and it just doesn't take my spin the way I would like it to be...anyway, hopefully I can get used to it after quite a few practice sessions over the week.".
-Federer

"I don't see myself winning too many matches on this surface - it's like playing on ice"
-Coria


"The top eight should have a court that allows that sort of a compromise between all of them: if you want to play up, you want to play back, you want to play high, you want to play fast. I mean, this is what the court should be, you know. It's definitely a court that's going to favor some players over another. It's difficult also to move on. Some of these indoor courts are, you know, but this one especially. The surface in Paris, in Bercy, is the same. The surface in Basel is the same. It's very difficult on the body because your feet stick, you know, when you move."
-Agassi

 

[Omega_7000]

I don't remember if Nadal and Federer rallied to remove carpet courts, but I do remember the ATP banned carpet courts in 2008 and said that the top players had reached the decision.

However, I do remember that Federer, Nadal, Agassi and Coria all complained about the indoor carpet surface (quite harshly) that was used in shanghai in 2005. The following year it was replaced by a regular indoor surface.

"I am not a huge fan of the surface, to be honest. It makes me feel strange and it just doesn't take my spin the way I would like it to be...anyway, hopefully I can get used to it after quite a few practice sessions over the week.".
-Federer

"I don't see myself winning too many matches on this surface - it's like playing on ice"
-Coria


"The top eight should have a court that allows that sort of a compromise between all of them: if you want to play up, you want to play back, you want to play high, you want to play fast. I mean, this is what the court should be, you know. It's definitely a court that's going to favor some players over another. It's difficult also to move on. Some of these indoor courts are, you know, but this one especially. The surface in Paris, in Bercy, is the same. The surface in Basel is the same. It's very difficult on the body because your feet stick, you know, when you move."
-Agassi

So if it was a consensus reached by all the top players due to safety why is the poster below blaming Federer alone?

Also any links to the quotes above?

yeah he wants those surfaces whichever he doesn't struggle on at that point......he cried and removed carpets in 2006 because he was losing regularly on them......he kept mum on slow surfaces all the while when he was busy winning slam after slam upto 2009......only after he knew that he was not good enough anymore to win slams, he opened his mouth on slow courts......

 

[Steve0904]

So if it was a consensus reached by all the top players due to safety why is the poster below blaming Federer alone?

Also any links to the quotes above?

The poster "below" is a Federer hater so naturally.....

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Still, the thread was more or less over at 62.

 

[Steve0904]

Still, the thread was more or less over at 62.

This is true, but if it finished there we wouldn't have gotten the beauty that was post #64.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

That is true.

 

[Pete_Federer]

The "Greenset standard" is killing the variety of the game both to wtach and play.
Were times when carpet was used on a lot of tourneys, AO was on grass etc.
Even for playing oneself I prefer old style hard courts, clay, articial grass over this "industrial" greenset stuff.

 

[jg153040]

What's the problem here? Can't players now even state their opinions?

Fed said slower courts help him with lower players, but faster courts help him against top players. What a criminal. He should be in jail .

 

[octobrina10]

What's the problem here? Can't players now even state their opinions?

Fed said slower courts help him with lower players, but faster courts help him against top players. What a criminal. He should be in jail .

The courts in Brisbane were sped up, they were very fast this year. Fed lost to Hewitt [ATP-43] in the final. So, he lost because the fast court didn't help him against the non-top player Hewitt?!

 

[Povl Carstensen]

The courts in Brisbane were sped up, they were very fast this year. Fed lost to Hewitt [ATP-43] in the final. So, he lost because the fast court didn't help him against the non-top player Hewitt?!

That is not really the subject of this thread.

 

[mattennis]

I have just watched the Brisbane final.

Wow, what a difference!. Conditions only a bit faster than usual is enough to make tennis much more entertaining (in my opinion obviously). It is just different, players look more confident to try winners shots earlier in the point, the ball speed and really everything look just different, more dynamic.

BTW, I think the slowing down of courts and balls had a huge negative impact on Hewitt's performances (apart of his injuries).

Hewitt's game was just perfect for those former super-slick, slippery hard courts with lighter-fast balls.

He fought for years trying to make them change the Australian Open surface, to make it faster and slick, more similar to some US tournaments hard courts during the 90s. But Australian Open organizers had other plans.

 

[jg153040]

The courts in Brisbane were sped up, they were very fast this year. Fed lost to Hewitt [ATP-43] in the final. So, he lost because the fast court didn't help him against the non-top player Hewitt?!

But it wasn't a semi. That was Fed's point. If it were semi, you would have a point. So, I win this debate.

 

[mattennis]

The courts in Brisbane were sped up, they were very fast this year. Fed lost to Hewitt [ATP-43] in the final. So, he lost because the fast court didn't help him against the non-top player Hewitt?!

And?

Federer just said (more than once) that faster conditions would make it more difficult for him (and other top-players) in general, against the whole field of players. That top players would lose more times in earlier rounds against non-top-players.

But another totally different thing is that he knows that especifically against todays top-3 (Nadal, Djokovic and Murray) for Federer probably it would be better playing on faster conditions.

What's the problem with that statement?

It is also possible that Federer is thinking about this: on todays slower conditions, Federer is not going to win another GS because he would have to beat, back to back, Djokovic and Nadal (or even Murray also), and he is not going to defeat two or three members of the top-3 in a row, back to back, on these slow conditions of today.

But on faster conditions, it is much more possible that one or two of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray could lose in earlier rounds, and IF Federer is able to reach QF or SF (a big IF, because on faster conditions he himself could also lose earlier), he probably wouldn't have to defeat two or three top-3 players back to back. He could even make it to the final without having to play against anyone in the top-3 (if he is lucky and one or two top-3 players lose in earlier rounds, which he thinks is much more probable on faster conditions).

But in general, I think he is being honest and he thinks it would be much better for the sport to have some faster tournaments again.

 

[octobrina10]

...
But on faster conditions, it is much more possible that one or two of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray could lose in earlier rounds, and IF Federer is able to reach QF or SF (a big IF, because on faster conditions he himself could also lose earlier), he probably wouldn't have to defeat two or three top-3 players back to back. He could even make it to the final without having to play against anyone in the top-3 (if he is lucky and one or two top-3 players lose in earlier rounds, which he thinks is much more probable on faster conditions)...

So, Fed hopes that 'somebody' will clean him the road, because he himself is not capable to win top-players! What an ugly strategy!

 

[mattennis]

So, Fed hopes that 'somebody' will clean him the road, because he himself is not capable to win top-players! What an ugly strategy!

I am not inside his mind, but it could be. It makes sense (in my opinion).

One thing is clear, on slower conditions like today, for Federer to win another GS, he would need to beat Nadal and DJokovic back to back (and if he is unlucky with the draw, he could face Murray also) and he is not going to defeat two or three out of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, back to back, on slow conditions.

With faster conditions, he thinks ( I think that too ) things could be much more random, and if he is lucky enough, some other dangerous players could clean him the road, yes. But he is also saying that with faster conditions he himself could be more vulnerable to an early loss, but at least, being it all more random, if he is lucky, he could have a chance.

On todays conditions, I see it impossible for Federer to win one more GS (maybe in Wimbledon he still has a slight chance)

 

[abmk]

Sure, mental burnout, are you inside his head?. Mental burnout when he was on a 3 match winning streak against Novak, but not when he was in a 7 match losing streak?. makes A LOT of sense.

Did you examine his so called physical injuries personally ? no, right ?

and what on earth makes you think mental burnout is necessarily because of losing ?

it could very well be the result of too much play, intensity etc.

you think wilander burnt out in 89 because he was losing too much in 88 ? oh wait ... do you even know much about Wilander ? :twisted:

Tendinitis problems don't just appear out of nowhere, it makes perfect sense he was having them for a while. Inform yourself a little.

no, he didn't have them for a while. Otherwise he wouldn't be winning 4 red clay tournaments, losing a grand total of one set. He's lost more sets in every other year FYI.

There were some problems with the surface in Monte Carlo, but it wasn't an issue of the whole surface which didn't work properly.

The surface at Monte Carlo was pretty ill-prepared and uneven

Juan Monaco, Julien Benneteau and Sebastien Couberes (in qualies) suffered serious injuries.

It was clearly worse than the one at Madrid. Yet nadal & djokoer whined and whined about the surface at madrid. Didn't whine about the one at monte carlo much.

 

[octobrina10]

The surface at Monte Carlo was pretty ill-prepared and uneven
...
It was clearly worse than the one at Madrid. Yet nadal & djokoer whined and whined about the surface at madrid. Didn't whine about the one at monte carlo much.

The blue surface in Madrid was slippery!!!!!!!!!

 

[Omega_7000]

The blue surface in Madrid was slippery!!!!!!!!!

Serena Williams calls Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal ‘weenies’ for complaining about blue clay

Novak Djokovic, Rafa Nadal and others who have complained about the blue clay at the Madrid Open are “weenies,” according to former women’s number one Serena Williams.

Asked about criticism from Djokovic and Nadal over the slippery surface on the Manolo Santana show court, Williams told a news conference that women were simply tougher than their male counterparts.

“Women are way tougher than men. That’s why we have the babies, you guys could never handle kids,” Williams said after thumping top seed Victoria Azarenka 6-1 6-3 to win the Madrid title on Sunday.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012...adal-weenies-for-complaining-about-blue-clay/

 

[Sentinel]

The blue surface in Madrid was slippery!!!!!!!!!

Is unfair, no ?
Either Hafa loss of injury, or court make it slip !

 

[octobrina10]

Serena Williams calls...

Who cares about her!

 

[Crisstti]

Did you examine his so called physical injuries personally ? no, right ?

and what on earth makes you think mental burnout is necessarily because of losing ?

it could very well be the result of too much play, intensity etc.

you think wilander burnt out in 89 because he was losing too much in 88 ? oh wait ... do you even know much about Wilander ? :twisted:




no, he didn't have them for a while. Otherwise he wouldn't be winning 4 red clay tournaments, losing a grand total of one set. He's lost more sets in every other year FYI.



The surface at Monte Carlo was pretty ill-prepared and uneven

Juan Monaco, Julien Benneteau and Sebastien Couberes (in qualies) suffered serious injuries.

It was clearly worse than the one at Madrid. Yet nadal & djokoer whined and whined about the surface at madrid. Didn't whine about the one at monte carlo much.

I didn't Federer's either. Guess that means he's lying.

The Monte Carlo court had some specific problems in parts of it. In Madrid they didn't know what they were doing.

 

[abmk]

The blue surface in Madrid was slippery!!!!!!!!!

yes it was. It should've been better. So ? The blue clay concept was a devilish one ? :lol:

The one at monte carlo was uneven and even more dangerous -- actually resulting in serious injuries for the players

 

[President]

Federer's ideal court is medium/medium slow speed with a low bounce, IMO. The best tennis I've seen him play has been on courts with these characteristics, like modern Wimbledon, the Hamburg Masters (the slowest clay court ever but with a low bounce too) and the WTF. Ultra fast courts wouldn't suit him as well as some players in history like Sampras and Becker, although he is certainly much better suited to them than Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[abmk]

I didn't Federer's either. Guess that means he's lying.

federer's results actually fall when he's injured/not well and it shows in his on-court performances ....... unlike saint rafa's

The Monte Carlo court had some specific problems in parts of it. In Madrid they didn't know what they were doing.

oh jeez ! it couldn't be that they made a mistake in the preparation of both now, can it ?

again, all tangential to the main point that monte carlo was worse off that year with players actually suffering serious injuries compared to no serious injuries at madrid .....

 

[SaintPetros]

He would have preferred slower courts versus Hewitt.

But not against Baghdatis

 

[I Am Finnish]

Well Fedr is slow and old

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Slow courts against field but faster against djok..
It's a bit complicated

 

[Krish0608]

Slow, low bouncing courts are great for Fed at this age where his movement is compromised. That's why he was so good at Wimbledon this year. That's shut he'll do way better at the USO than at Cincy.

 

[SaintPetros]

Agreed. Fed's only chance at another slam is if they speed one of AO, Wimb,USO up.

Whats the last big title Fed has won on a slow surface (beating the top guys in en route)??

How can someone say they prefer surfaces they don't win anything on? Makes no sense to me:shock::shock::shock:

So prophetic.

 

[AceSalvo]

On the one hand Fed haters are saying "Fed is playing the best ever".

On the other hand Fed haters are saying "Fed need faster surfaces to win slams".



Poor stuff. No consistency at all.

 

[USO19]

He prefers slower courts vs. guys not named Nadal or Djokovic, and faster courts vs. Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[KINGROGER]

Up until 2012 Fed definitely preferred quicker surfaces and slowing down tournaments across the tour cost him a few titles.

Since the racket change, slow surfaces cost him vs Djokovic but overall did well vs the field on any surface but clay.

 

[SaintPetros]

Up until 2012 Fed definitely preferred quicker surfaces and slowing down tournaments across the tour cost him a few titles.

Since the racket change, slow surfaces cost him vs Djokovic but overall did well vs the field on any surface but clay.

His best slam result in 2011 was at the French.