Has Federer had best seasons ever by Year End #1, Year End #2, and Year End #1

[McEnroeisanartist]

Federer's 2006 as Year End #1 is often thought as of the best season ever, along with Laver's 1969 and Djokovic's 2015.

Federer finishes 2017 with clearly the greatest season ever for a Year End #2.

Federer finished 2015 with clearly the greatest season for a Year End #3.

 

[NatF]

Federer's 2006 as Year End #1 is often thought as of the best season ever, along with Laver's 1969 and Djokovic's 2015.

Federer finishes 2017 with clearly the greatest season ever for a Year End #2.

Federer finished 2015 with clearly the greatest season for a Year End #3.

No to all 3...

 

[mike danny]

Djokovic 2015 has the best ever season for a YE#1.

If Federer wins the WTF, he may have the best season for a YE#2, surpassing Djokovic's 2016.

Murray may actually have the best season for a YE#3 in 2012.

 

[User123]

Djokovic 2015 has the best ever season for a YE#1.

If Federer wins the WTF, he may have the best season for a YE#2, surpassing Djokovic's 2016.

Murray may actually have the best season for a YE#3 in 2012.

I wouldn't put Djokovic's 2015 above any of Federer's 2004-2007 seasons.

 

[VolleyHelena]

I wouldn't put Djokovic's 2015 above any of Federer's 2004-2007 seasons.

 

[User123]

And also it is far behind Djokovic's 2011.

 

[mike danny]

I wouldn't put Djokovic's 2015 above any of Federer's 2004-2007 seasons.

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

 

[User123]

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

His 2011 was much more impressive though. At least he had competition then. And also played on a much higher level.

 

[King No1e]

I'd go with Connors 74 for #1
Murray's 2012 is the best ever for a #3
For #2? That's tough. I'd go with Djokovic 2016 or 2013.

 

[User123]

I'd go with Connors 74 for #1
Murray's 2012 is the best ever for a #3
For #2? That's tough. I'd go with Djokovic 2016 or 2013.

Djokovic fan admits Djokovic was good in 2013? Wow, first time I see that.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Hmm, not sure about "clearly the greatest season ever for a Year End #2". Perhaps if he claims the WTF and you're only looking at most big titles won but in terms of overall consistency throughout the season(including all three surfaces), both Djokovic's 2013 and 2016 would be right up there, perhaps even Federer's 2012 as well and I'm sure one or two other years from back in the day.

 

[User123]

All people here are so sure Federer will end number 2. Wait until it becomes official. Chung can cause Nadal a lot of problems. He did even on clay.

 

[Mainad]

Federer finished 2015 with clearly the greatest season for a Year End #3.

Murray may actually have the best season for a YE#3 in 2012.

In 2012, Murray won a Slam and the Olympics title (beating Fed in the final) so that has to best Federer's 2015.

 

[Backspin1183]

War is over.

#FedalUnited

 

[ZiggyStardust]

- Fed 2006 is in the contention with Djok 2015 and Laver 69 (I actually tend towards this one)
- Fed 2017 is pretty much the same as Djok 2016. (If Fed wins the WTF his season is better)
- Murray 2012 is much better than Fed 2015. So is everyone that won a slam and finished #3.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Well said! Best #1 season, best #2 season, best #3 season... wait for it... GOAT career!

Seriously, hadn't thought of it in OP's terms. Nice one. All of the near misses, alone, are ATG-worthy.

 

[TMF]

In 2012, Murray won a Slam and the Olympics title (beating Fed in the final) so that has to best Federer's 2015.

There's no Olympic in 2015 so you can't hold that against Federer.

Be objective and compare their 4 slams and all ATP tournaments by performances and results.

 

[Fedeonic]

There's no Olympic in 2015 so you can't hold that against Federer.

Be objective and compare their 4 slams and all ATP tournaments by performances and results.

Murray 2012 GS season: SF, QF, F, W
Federer 2015 GS season: 3R, QF, F, F.
Murray 2012 total points: 8000 pts. in 20 tournaments, 3 won (2 big tourneys).
Federer 2015 total points: 8265 pts. in 17 tournaments, 6 won (1 big tourney).
They're pretty close, but that US Open 2012 win for Andy is the tiebreaker.

 

[Backspin1183]

Murray 2012 GS season: SF, QF, F, W
Federer 2015 GS season: 3R, QF, F, F.
Murray 2012 total points: 8000 pts. in 20 tournaments, 3 won (2 big tourneys).
Federer 2015 total points: 8265 pts. in 17 tournaments, 6 won (1 big tourney).
They're pretty close, but that US Open 2012 win for Andy is the tiebreaker.

Andy won a Slam in 2012, Federer didn't in 2015. It's very clear who had a better season.

 

[Gazelle]

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

We already had this debate at the tail-end of 2015 and came to the conclusion that Fed's 2006 > Djok's 2015.

 

[Red Rick]

Andy won a Slam in 2012, Federer didn't in 2015. It's very clear who had a better season.

Add Olympics.


Djokovic 2015 best YE#1
Djokovic 2016 best YE#2
Murray 2012 best YE#3

Fed does have the best YE#16 imo though

 

[Red Rick]

We already had this debate at the tail-end of 2015 and came to the conclusion that Fed's 2006 > Djok's 2015.

Now this is brilliant argumentation. Pure, undiluded genius.

 

[Backspin1183]

Add Olympics.


Djokovic 2015 best YE#1
Djokovic 2016 best YE#2
Murray 2012 best YE#3

Fed does have the best YE#16 imo though

This sounds about right if we exclude Laver's 1969.

 

[Gazelle]

Now this is brilliant argumentation. Pure, undiluded genius.

The argumentation has already been done on another thread. I'm not interested in arguing about it all over again. I'll search a link for you, so you can read it.

 

[Mainad]

There's no Olympic in 2015 so you can't hold that against Federer.

Be objective and compare their 4 slams and all ATP tournaments by performances and results.

I am being objective. Murray won 2 big titles in 2012 (a Slam and the Olympics) whilst Federer won only 1 big title in 2015, a Masters.

 

[tennisaddict]

Federer's 2006 as Year End #1 is often thought as of the best season ever, along with Laver's 1969 and Djokovic's 2015.

Federer finishes 2017 with clearly the greatest season ever for a Year End #2.

Federer finished 2015 with clearly the greatest season for a Year End #3.

YES to first 2.

Fed has a better W-L in 2006 and more titles.

Fed has 4 losses all year in 2017 and better than Djok in 2016 who had a bad second half in comparison.

Fed's 2015 comes behind Murray's 2012.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

This sounds about right if we exclude Laver's 1969.

Never

 

[Red Rick]

The argumentation has already been done on another thread. I'm not interested in arguing about it all over again. I'll search a link for you, so you can read it.

It's really almost identical, except for Djokovic winning 2 more 1000s and Fed winning 3 more 250s

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

No, sir.

Fed took five L's in '06, three of which were on clay to the clay GOAT, another also to Nadal (hard), and one to Murray. Djokovic took six L's in '15, three of which were to 34-year-old Fed.

Is it thread bump time?

 

[KINGROGER]

YE#1: Federer 06
YE#2: Federer 17
YE#3: Murray 12

YE#2 would have clearly been Djokovic 2013 but he failed to beat his pigeon Murray at Wimbledon.

 

[tennisaddict]

No, sir.

Fed took five L's in '06, three of which were on clay to the clay GOAT, another also to Nadal (hard), and one to Murray. Djokovic took six L's in '15, three of which were to 34-year-old Fed.

Is it thread bump time?

Not just that. Following were BO 5 finals that Fed was in.

Tennis Masters (Won)
Basel (Won)
Madrid (Won)
IW (Won)
Miami (Won)
Rome
Monte Carlo

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Not just that. Following were BO 5 finals that Fed was in.

Tennis Masters (Won)
Basel (Won)
Madrid (Won)
IW (Won)
Miami (Won)
Rome
Monte Carlo

Yeah, it's not all that close with a very little bit of scrutiny. Been done to death on here. Will bump if necessary.

 

[mike danny]

Add Olympics.


Djokovic 2015 best YE#1
Djokovic 2016 best YE#2
Murray 2012 best YE#3

Fed does have the best YE#16 imo though

For now. If Fed wins the WTF, it surpasses it IMO.

 

[ibbi]

Federer finished 2015 with clearly the greatest season for a Year End #3.

Just off the top of my head I'd say Novak's 08 and Murray's 12 are easily comparable to his 2015. Clearly the greatest? I know you try and appear unbiased, but you might have to change that word to keep the game up.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

LOL, 2015 wasn't even Djoker's best season, let alone the best season of all time. Gimme a break.

 

[sbengte]

His 2011 was much more impressive though. At least he had competition then. And also played on a much higher level.

Spot on. His 2011 level was something else. He just decimated the field that was quite strong.

 

[Phoenix1983]

OP is clearly incorrect in at least two cases.

Laver's 1969 and Djokovic's 2015 were greater YE No 1 years.
Ferrero's 2003 and Murray's 2012 (probably among others) were greater YE No 3 years.

If Fed wins the WTF, he does have a case for greatest YE No 2 year.

 

[mike danny]

LOL, 2015 wasn't even Djoker's best season, let alone the best season of all time. Gimme a break.

Can you point out his true greatest season if that wasn't it?

In 2015 after Doha he reached every final in every tournament that he entered. He won 3 GS titles out of 4 finals, won a record 6 masters titles, won the WTF and didn't miss a single big final, with the exception of Madrid where he did not play. He also recorded a whooping 31 top 10 victories, which is an Open Era record.

In 2011, he didn't reach all 4 slam finals, won 1 less masters title and after the USO he was in shambles.

 

[pame]

Add Olympics.


Djokovic 2015 best YE#1
Djokovic 2016 best YE#2
Murray 2012 best YE#3

Fed does have the best YE#16 imo though

How can you add Olympics when that's not played for 3 of every 4 years? It's not exactly a constant yardstick

 

[mike danny]

OP is clearly incorrect in at least two cases.

Laver's 1969 and Djokovic's 2015 were greater YE No 1 years.
Ferrero's 2003 and Murray's 2012 (probably among others) were greater YE No 3 years.

If Fed wins the WTF, he does have a case for greatest YE No 2 year.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Ferrero's 2003. Underrated season for an YE#3. He's definitely in contention with Murray's 2012.

 

[Red Rick]

How can you add Olympics when that's not played for 3 of every 4 years? It's not exactly a constant yardstick

Olympic singles gold is too big to ignore, especially with the physical burden it is on the rest of the season.

 

[timnz]

Nadal hasn't got YE#1 yet. We will know tomorrow probably.

 

[BGod]

Novak 2015 is indeed GOAT post 69.

Federer will have #2 crown with WTF. He didn't win a Slam as YE#3. Wawrinka's 2014-16 are 3 best #4 seasons.

 

[pame]

Olympic singles gold is too big to ignore, especially with the physical burden it is on the rest of the season.

Yeh, and so we bow before Goats Massu and Rosset!

 

[TripleATeam]

Maybe YE#1. Djokovic 2015 deserves a good run there, given how he reached nearly every single final of every tournament he entered.

YE#2 best season still goes to Djokovic.

Djokovic 2016 Slams: W W F R3
Federer 2017 Slams: W W QF A​

Djokovic clearly ahead in slams.

Djokovic 2016 Masters: W W W W F SF QF R2
Federer 2017 Masters: W W W F A A A A
​

I think Djokovic comes out ahead here, too. Had Federer played clay, he surely would have lost early, and in any case, winning at least 1 round is better than an absence.

Djokovic 2016 500s: QF
Federer 2016 500s: W W R2
​

Federer way ahead here.

All in all, Djokovic comes out ahead in this category unless Federer wins the WTF. If he does, then Federer 2017 will be the greatest YE#2 season in history. Until then, no.

As for #3, any really good season by a player who won a slam will suffice. Federer won no slams in 2015, so he can't be the greatest #3. Maybe Murray's 2013 or 2012. That's just off what I can remember. Historically, there's probably been better #3s.

 

[helterskelter]

For best ever #2, Vilas in 1977 and Borg in 1978 must contend.

Best-ever #4: Wilander in 1983?

 

[kOaMaster]

YE#1: Clearly goes to Federer - and I'm going to exclude Laver here because it's just not comparable. Plus, Laver had "only" a 59-7 w/l as far as I know.

Federers 2006 was better than Djokovic 2015 for three reasons:

First reason:
Federer won 12/17, reached 16 finals
Djokovic won 11/16, reached 15 finals

Second reason:
Federer had a 92-5 w/l
Djokovic had a 82-6 w/l

Third reason:
Four out of those five losses by Federer were against prime Nadal on clay (I'm saying on clay, not overall!) - the fifth loss against young Murray.
And those matches (especially against Nadal) were all really close.

The only plus on Djokovics is winning two Masters1000 instead of other titles.

 

[Devin]

Oh god. More of these Djokovic 2015 Vs. Federer 2006 debates.

2015 - Achievements
2006 - Level of play
There you go.

YE#1 - 2006/2015, depends on the criteria.

But is it really that much of an achievement to have the best season finishing #2 or #3? Finishing #1 is much more important because finishing #2 or below shows that there was someone who was more consistent or played better against the field.

 

[Druss]

Regardless of the competition, Djokovic was outright dominant in 2015, so that season was the best for a YE#1.

2006 Federer vs 2015 Djokovic debates were utterly exhausted and IIRC they came out as a tie. To say one was better than the other is like splitting hairs. So OP was correct in lumping the 2 together alongside Laver’s ‘69.

YE#2 I would agree if Fed wins the WTF, otherwise it’s 2016 Djokovic or 1995 Agassi.

YE#3 Goes to 2012 Murray from recent memory

 

[abmk]

YE#1: Clearly goes to Federer - and I'm going to exclude Laver here because it's just not comparable. Plus, Laver had "only" a 59-7 w/l as far as I know.

Laver was actually 106-16 in 1969 and won 18 of the 32 tournaments he entered.

The ATP site record is woefully incomplete there.

Out of those matches, 6 were exhos, he won 5 of those and lost 1.

So excluding exhos, we have,

101-15 for Laver in 69.