in the 6 frames measured for me, all were below 65.
actually the min RA = 60
average RA = 62
if this isn't flexy, then I don't know what would be flexy.
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in the 6 frames measured for me, all were below 65.
actually the min RA = 60
average RA = 62
if this isn't flexy, then I don't know what would be flexy.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Strung.
pt630_belgium
Rookie
I ordered 3 frames and they are within 1g.
Also balance is nearly matched.
No idea on SW and RA, but i am confident.
Will know soon
Also balance is nearly matched.
No idea on SW and RA, but i am confident.
Will know soon
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
I ordered 3 frames and they are within 1g.
Also balance is nearly matched.
No idea on SW and RA, but i am confident.
Will know soon
I ordered 2, and both within 1g. However balance is 1cm difference (31.5 to 32.5), and 11pts on the the swing (325 to 336). I guess the higher is nearer the norm, I'd prefer the lower.
Plus, anyone else agree that the buttcap is on the wrong way compared to current racquets? Mine are with buttcap point up, 'Pro Tour 2.0' is on right side. I think it should be other way around. No biggie as I can just swap it around; it just seems wrong.
@Starsailor84 @haqq777
I did some measurements too, Was thinking the cut outs at 3&9 areas of the FXP CAP grommet would make it lighter... but no, both sets came up at just over 30g... so that goes my planned PT2.0 “weight reduction plan”.... lol
the TK293 came with the PT2.0 delivery last week from TWE. It weighs at 28g-ish too.
anyway, it is always fun to take pix. Lol
I did some measurements too, Was thinking the cut outs at 3&9 areas of the FXP CAP grommet would make it lighter... but no, both sets came up at just over 30g... so that goes my planned PT2.0 “weight reduction plan”.... lol
the TK293 came with the PT2.0 delivery last week from TWE. It weighs at 28g-ish too.
anyway, it is always fun to take pix. Lol
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I’ve never seen them flush. There is always a small gap. 2mm May be slightly bigger then usual.Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
PT630Wannabe
Professional
I have seen gaps as well. I also am pretty sure that wrapping a grip around it probably squeezes it back a bit.
burma_shave
New User
I replaced the original pallets on a pair of Zebras (from L2 to L4) with some TK82s. The original pallets sat flush, but the TK82s have about a 2mm gap.
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
Slightly? 2mm is too big, 1mm maybe be acceptable
If wrapping a grip would 'remove the gap' then there would be play in the pallets. There isn't any.
I've never seen a gap, until now.
This is taken from a Gravity Tour - factory fitted : No gap
This is taken from my Prestige 360+ MP - I fitted : No gap
When I fit pallets, there is never a gap.
In my opinion, this is poor quality (possibly finishing). It maybe a simple remove and refit, or fit new pallets to alter this; but its something any regular customer shouldnt have to do. I have the skills to look into this further, but its not my responsibility to fix someone else's problem.
PT630Wannabe
Professional
Fair enough.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
You guys might enjoy this episode, maybe not...but leaving it here in case you want to take a listen.
Are Classic Racquets Still Relevant?!
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Michelle, TW
Listening now, this is very cool. Very good explanation of how RA works in the modern game. I think the vibration frequency is more important to look at, which is a much more reliable way to measure arm comfort. To answer Chris at minute 26 - yes. I think this is something that should be talked about more. I've been looking at that chart for years and rarely have arm pain with lower vibration frames (currently wilson Blade at 132) . I'm not looking to get the 2.0, but I am going to try the Prestige Mid. They both are very good on the frequency chart. 2.0 is 136 and the Prestige Mid is 135.
Does it matter? Yes. If you read comments comparing the prior Prestige Mid to the new one you read that the new one has a more classic feel, is buttery, "head has returned to it's roots"..etc. Makes sense - the prior Prestige mid vibrated at 145 and this one is substantially lower at 135. Interesting thing is the RA of the new one is 65 and the old one was 61. So the new mid has higher stiffness, which is an advantage for modern hitting, but feels more plush due to the lower vibration. That's a winning combination, IMO. And is probably why so many people are enjoying the 2.0 as well.
Also this could be of interest to some of you once they fill it out - https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Vintage/catpage-VINTAGE.html
haqq777
Legend
Blank page. Guessing whatever there was on it has been removed. What was it?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
They are going to sell vintage prestiges and other frames on there. I'd bookmark it because I am sure the listings will probably go pretty fast.
haqq777
Legend
Nah. I think I'm alright for now. My wife is already planning a kicked-hubby-to-the-curb party, lol
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah, I'm good too. I just figure some people in this thread may be interested. I have a 12 pack bag of vintage frames in storage right now..lol.
Grieeegoorr
Semi-Pro
Resonance, isn't that something that a certain company that makes music instruments and previously made tennis racquets used to harp on about back in the late 80's. Stiff frame with low vibration frequency is no great secret, well it was back then. What sort of amazing tennis racquets would we be using today if they had not been run out of town.
Addxyz
Hall of Fame
They had brand new Prestige Classic Tours last week or the week before? $199 with 3 in stock.
asifallasleep
Hall of Fame
I string my PT630's at 40lbs with 19g Volkl Cyclone if that helps.
TW Staff
Administrator
This is where we post the vintage racquets. Sorry for any confusion.
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As Addxyz mentioned, we posted 3 vintage Prestiges last week (Tour Mids, suspension handle). They sold instantly. I'm going to dig up some more Prestiges soon, including a blacked out one used by Philippoussis.
Jon
I agree. The feel of the racket is awesome but it is very sluggish especially on serves and BH side. My TC97 is a bit heavier than the PT2.0 but is more maneuverable and has a bit more power . Heck, my MG prestige mid is almost 15g heavier and moves through the air faster than the PT 2.0.That is a very creative way to get your weight down, great job. It doesn't look too shabby at all.
After your post, I went back just now to double check the weight and mine is 33g on the dot for TK238. I checked on two separate grommet sets I have at the moment.
For the TK293 it was indeed 28g. I don't have pictures of that since they are already on my GXT PP but I did have spare TK238 sets so I weighed them.
And I absolutely feel you. I am more of a modern racquet player and 2.0 is very hard for me to use. I would never bring this for matchplay. I love how it feels and looks though
And @TW Staff great timing on this podcast, Michelle! Was just discussing this topic above recently with a few friends. Will give this a listen. Thanks.
Have one still in plastic wrap that I will send back and will put my other one in the FS section soon.
Zoolander
Hall of Fame
Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
2mm is a huge gap. Big enough to toally change the gripshape for a start. When i have measured different manufacturers bare handles i have found a small difference in measurements makes a big difference to gripshape.
Yeah, thats just plain OCD skip!
HEAD Tinkerer
New User
CAP grommets are a classic and pay homage to the HEAD heritage.
HEAD Tinkerer
New User
This is very bad and you must be very unlucky because all of my HEADs are flush or very close, with the exception of a few outliers.
pt630_belgium
Rookie
For me: Head Tennis = Cap grommets
If it were out of mass production tolerance, the butt cap would not fit on the grip/pallets. The pallets always have the corresponding sized but cap.Slightly? 2mm is too big, 1mm maybe be acceptable
If wrapping a grip would 'remove the gap' then there would be play in the pallets. There isn't any.
I've never seen a gap, until now.
This is taken from a Gravity Tour - factory fitted : No gap
This is taken from my Prestige 360+ MP - I fitted : No gap
When I fit pallets, there is never a gap.
In my opinion, this is poor quality (possibly finishing). It maybe a simple remove and refit, or fit new pallets to alter this; but its something any regular customer shouldnt have to do. I have the skills to look into this further, but its not my responsibility to fix someone else's problem.
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HEAD Tinkerer
New User
If the feel is awesome, why don't you tinker with it more to see if it can possibly work out for you? At the end of the day, it is all about the feel.
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
No S??T!! Did I say they had a different butt cap size?
So explain the gap? Is this an acceptable tolerance??
Relax. What do you not understand about my post?
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
There is nothing I dont understand. You say that if there was an issue with the pallets not fitting correctly, the right size butt cap wouldn't fit. The pallets are a grip 4, and the butt cap is a grip 4. You can see from my last photo that the staple looks like 1 side sits in the gap.
And while there is a mass production tolerance; its doesnt mean that things arent missed somewhere along the line. I'm sure you've heard of the phrase friday afternoon model (or coding)
At no point did I ever say that the butt cap wasnt the right size. And Yes, I can see you'll say that if it was all the right size it wouldnt fit, and it shouldn't. But with a bit of force it could, nay, it does.
So, I ask you the question again, Is this gap an acceptable tolerance?
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tennisBIEST
Professional
M(ass) Production of anything is going to “occasionally” have some variances. The gap between the pallet is probably due to some factory worker using too much adhesive on the hairpin.
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Deleted member 766578
Guest
Probably out of scope but i had a butt cap printed and labelled grip 3 when it was grip 4 on a gravity MP
usually you need to apply force to fit the cap when the space for it is smaller than the cap itself.
can't imagine that pallets have too much space, and you need to apply force to fit the cap.
perhaps you want to clarify how do you apply the force to fit the cap into pallets that have too much space for a standard cap
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uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
Yes, this could be the case; or there's something else between the pallet & hairpin.
I could remove the pallet to investigate, but what if its more than that? If its something that can't be fixed through bad production, then the more I do then more chance TWE wont take it back as 'faulty'.
Fitting a butt cap should just slide on, relatively easily; but made need a bit of force by just pushing firmly.
If it's a tight fit then I'd either place the butt end on the floor and push down on the frame, or use a small rubber mallet.
When I've fitted Babolat buttcaps to a volkl Pallet (which I did on my Strikes), I used some duct tape at the bottom to help the pressurised the pallets to stick to the hairpin better. The Babolat butt cap was then a bit tighter to fit; and using the next size up was too big. So I used the aforementioned hammer to get it seated.
I ask you about bread and you answer about carpets.
Why don't we try again, this time straight to the subject.
This is your message "with a bit of force it could, nay, it does."
My question is: how do you need to apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap?
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
Never heard that phrase before; Thanks for that
Can you re-read your question?
Should it be
'why do you need to apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap? or
'how do you apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap? or
'why would you need to apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap?
Confused. Could be the heat here in the UK
Never heard that phrase before; Thanks for that
Can you re-read your question?
Should it be
'why do you need to apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap? or
'how do you apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap? or
'why would you need to apply force if the space in the pallets is bigger than the cap?
Confused. Could be the heat here in the UK
you can answer any of the 3 questions, as at the end of the day, the answer will be pretty much same, in the context that you had to apply force to fit a cap into pallets which had more space for the cap than it would be needed if the pallets had less space.
I guess it is indeed heat in the UK.
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
So, force would need to added if the pallets are bigger than the butt cap. Clearly a 3 buttcap shouldnt fit on a 4 pallet unless force is used, but the cap would probably be damaged; and in theory one wouldn't try to do that. You'd get the right size buttcap
How a 4 butt cap has been fitted to a 4 pallet (which for a reason we don't know without removing the pallets is slightly bigger) I can't be completely sure of, but it would take some force to.
I don't have a spare Head hairpin with me now, but I do at my shop to check anything. However I do have a wilson H22 hairpin which I fitted Head TK82 L4 pallets to. Is there a gap? Yes, about the same that shows on my PT2.0. Does a 4 Head buttcap fit? Yes, with a bit of force; and that force was just me using the palm of my hand. So not much. Does a 5 butt cap fit? Yes, and no extra force is needed to seat it. This is not an ideal comparison, but it does show that the same size butt cap can fit on the pallet with a bit of force when there is a gap.
uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
That's for the US TW. I live in the UK and bought them from TWE. However similar things do apply.
I am awaiting TWE's response to my email I sent them regarding the next steps
Thiem's 1HB
Rookie
Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
The QC of Head stuff is all over the place. A buddy of mine bought a couple of these PT 2.0s and there's a 8g difference between them, one is 327SW, and the other 338SW. Wouldn't surprise me if the dodgy QC extended to pallets as well as they can vary in several grams in weight from one pallet to the next.
I've got a few TK82/S pallets lying about and could compare them to yours if you want. Looking at the cross section, what's the measurement from the inside of the thick part to the edge of the pallet (the part near the red No.10 in your photo)?
[Edit: Just took a measurement of several TK82 pallets - the distance above ranges from 7.8mm to about 8.4mm, so there's clearly production variance. You get a couple of short ones and you'll end up with a gap. That why I've never bought just one set of pallets - I buy a load and pick out the most suitable ones depending on the application. If you think about it, the manufacturing variance has to err on the pallets being shorter in length as a shorter pallet will at least still fit (albeit with a gap), whereas a pallet that's too long is more problematic. That's what happens when a manufacturer produces pallets are cheap and nasty.]
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uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
@Thiem's 1HB I agree that there can be variants in the pallets, and you method of buying a load and picking the best pair is a good idea. Especially when customising several rqts with slight difference in weight.
Thanks for the offer, but I have loads of pallets around as well, including a set taken from an original PT280. I'd use them myself, but they're a 3
Thanks for the offer, but I have loads of pallets around as well, including a set taken from an original PT280. I'd use them myself, but they're a 3
Lavs
Hall of Fame
That's why I can't stand with Pallets. I prefer foamed grips (like Babolat / Wilson / Prince).Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
I still believe that Babolat's grip shape is ideal.
tennisBIEST
Professional
Yeah I hear you! I bought 2 PT2.0 L2 and one of grips is definitely bigger. I can change the pallet but probably won’t.
It is already on the heavy side. Since I gave up on Head frames years ago, I really hoped that when this came out that it will be a "good" and more forgiving replacement to the Prestige Mid! It is not. I did change the grip to a heavy leather (Volkl) to make it a bit more headlight but that did not work. I will not waste time & effort since the TC 97 (320g/315mm) works well. It is not as soft as the PT 2.0 but I have been playing with it since it came out and had no arm issues with it at all (always Gut mains/Poly cross). I may try the new Prestige Mid though.
Downtheline1
Rookie
Can anyone compare the Pro Tour 2.0 to the K Factor 6.1 95 18 X 20?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
jmysun
Rookie
Further to my post above, I have just started to work on the lower SW rqt I received, and 1st job is to replace the grip with a leather grip.
I ordered L4 gripsize, and when I held them I thought they felt bigger than they should. I have L4 TK82 pallets on my Prestige 360+ MP with Head Tour leather grip, and they felt smaller then the PT2.0 L4's.
So I removed a grip and found this
I measure it as a 2mm gap. Considering they should be flush in their alignment, this is very poor QC. I'm not going to take the grip off the other one until I hear back from TWE. I will send them an email tomorrow.
Sorry for the double post. I've seen some flush and with a gap also. Is it possible that the gap will decrease and compress after some usage over time?
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