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jmysun said:
Not mine but here are some visual examples of different colored CAPs.



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Thank you. Looks cool.
do you know by any chance of the CAP code or which Prestige they were made for, so I can search? Sorry am not to clued up with all Head codes... lol (still learning/trying to remember...)
 
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esm said:
Thank you. Looks cool.
do you know by any chance of the CAP code or which Prestige they were made for, so I can search? Sorry am not to clued up with all Head codes... lol (still learning/trying to remember...)
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TK238 is the CAP code.
 
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thisiscrazy said:
Have you ever seen a racquet of a specific grip size (here, 4 1/4) sell out so fast? It's now gone here, TWE and Tennis only. I wonder how limited these are . . .
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They already said there would be another shipment and it was posted it wouldn’t be a tenniswarehouse exclusive for much longer so was just curious


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esm said:
Thank you. Looks cool.
do you know by any chance of the CAP code or which Prestige they were made for, so I can search? Sorry am not to clued up with all Head codes... lol (still learning/trying to remember...)
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The red on in the picture is from Graphene Prestige MP. It is TK293 (Red).



The white/clear one is from Youtek IG Prestige MP. Not sure about code but has bad reviews for being too brittle, and breaking too easily.



Best one is indeed TK238, the black one with square edge. I have that on all mine.
 
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haqq777 said:
The red on in the picture is from Graphene Prestige MP. It is TK293 (Red).



The white/clear one is from Youtek IG Prestige MP. Not sure about code but has bad reviews for being too brittle, and breaking too easily.



Best one is indeed TK238, the black one with square edge. I have that on all mine.
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Thank you. Can you share picture of the packaging of this last one you mentioned? TW is out of Pro Tour 2.0 grommets and I need to buy a couple of sets from the big auction site. Got a present for the hubby on his birthday and need to complete the set.
 
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tennisgurl said:
Thank you. Can you share picture of the packaging of this last one you mentioned? TW is out of Pro Tour 2.0 grommets and I need to buy a couple of sets from the big auction site. Got a present for the hubby on his birthday and need to complete the set.
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These grommets fit the Microgel Prestige MP as well. If he needs to look on fleabay later on.
 
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I’ve just received mine this morning and give it 3 hours as a try on a clay court. I’ve stringed this racquet with VS Babolat gut on cross and Alu Power on the main. I’ve removed the grip and the tape behind to put a Karakal PU supergrip without any overlap and a Tourna grip XL. Honestly this session was amazing. What a solid racquet to defend against an offensive player ! I was able to hit my forehand and backhand with an insane accuracy. The spin was also very good. Slices are insane too. What an incredible one to feel like Murray on court. So happy to have a stick like this ! I don’t know the importance of the difference with the PT57A but this one feels really great ! I’m just sad about my VS Babolat which is already very worn out. Either way, if the PT57A looks like this, I can see why it's considered as the holy grail !
 
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I think I'm finally going to pull the trigger on one or two of these, along with some of those clear IG grommets. I just wish I could still find the GGOAT (greatest grommet of all time, naturally), the i.Prestige notched CAP.
 
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Have learnt loads of the CAP grommets recently. Have never really paid much attention to them in the past

was just at TWE making a purchase and funnily, they also put the PT2.0 under their “vintage” section. Lol
 
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Kal-El 34 said:
What are the issues with the stock grommets on these? They seem fine


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This racquet is much heavier than what most players are used to so they’re preparing to be dragging them to and from the courts due to the difficulty in actually carrying them. It’s also next to impossible to swing these without dragging the ground.

What’s wrong with the red grommets?
 
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dr325i said:
There is but just like Twaron, the amounts are very small and in specific places
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Twaron/Kevlar is a standard prepreg material in the racquet industry. I believe Head racquets from the past featured substantial amounts of Twaron in their layup. Graphene is a hoax. First of all, they are only "the strongest material on earth" (who needs a very strong racquet anyway?) in their pure form, without being embedded in a resin matrix. If you embed graphene particles in a resin matrix, the result is actually inferior to traditional carbon fiber composite. And second, true monolayer graphene is too expensive per pound to use in tennis racquets. I highly doubt there's actually any measurable amount of real graphene in Graphene racquets. In the materials science community, graphene garnered a lot of hype several years ago, and like Head has done so many times in the past (cough cough, Liquidmetal, cough, titanium), they used the name of a "groundbreaking" material just to glam up their new racquets. I have no idea what kind of faux graphene they actually use in their racquets but I'm pretty certain that it's mechanically inferior to traditional fiber composite.
 
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Yeah I thought Head in the past had used at least 10% twaron in the layup. Wilson im sure has used at least 20% kevlar so its not so insubstantial.

Imagine if Head had used 20% crapene flakes in its racquets. They would cost bazillions of dollars.
 
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dak95_00 said:
This racquet is much heavier than what most players are used to so they’re preparing to be dragging them to and from the courts due to the difficulty in actually carrying them. It’s also next to impossible to swing these without dragging the ground.

What’s wrong with the red grommets?
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Nothing if you like the look at weight. I guess I’ve always played with heavy rackets do these didn’t feel too bad to me stock. I like better after leather but am having silicone put in the handles so was just curious


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PistolPete23 said:
Twaron/Kevlar is a standard prepreg material in the racquet industry. I believe Head racquets from the past featured substantial amounts of Twaron in their layup. Graphene is a hoax. First of all, they are only "the strongest material on earth" (who needs a very strong racquet anyway?) in their pure form, without being embedded in a resin matrix. If you embed graphene particles in a resin matrix, the result is actually inferior to traditional carbon fiber composite. And second, true monolayer graphene is too expensive per pound to use in tennis racquets. I highly doubt there's actually any measurable amount of real graphene in Graphene racquets. In the materials science community, graphene garnered a lot of hype several years ago, and like Head has done so many times in the past (cough cough, Liquidmetal, cough, titanium), they used the name of a "groundbreaking" material just to glam up their new racquets. I have no idea what kind of faux graphene they actually use in their racquets but I'm pretty certain that it's mechanically inferior to traditional fiber composite.
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My thoughts exactly. (Well, actually stated more eloquently.)
 
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GTz said:
How much vibration dampening did you notice?
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i haven’t hit with it yet, but...

I don’t believe one material in the handle vs another will influence the vibration perceived. I think simply by being less headlight it will feel more comfortable but I don’t think I could tell a difference if it were lead or packing peanuts if it measured the same and was secured properly.
 
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PT630Wannabe said:
My thoughts exactly. (Well, actually stated more eloquently.)
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From the US Patent that was filed:

"
5. A racket, comprising:
at least one prepreg layer, including:
reinforcing fibers,
a matrix at least partially surrounding the reinforcing fibers, and
graphene material;
the graphene material being dispersed throughout the matrix and including flakes of graphene, the graphene flakes making up approximately two percent or less of a mixture it forms with the matrix, and
a volumetric content of the reinforcing fibers in the at least one prepreg layer is in the range of approximately ten percent to seventy percent.
"

Tricky, tricky. 2% OR LESS of the mixture it forms with the matrix. And that's just in ONE prepreg layer lol. Also, the flakes are likely not the true monolayer stuff but the much cheaper and inferior 2-3 layer graphite particles that has misleadingly also been called graphene by the industry.
 
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The mass on this thing is so satisfying. My serves and volleys are back at a level they haven’t been at for a while.

I love the feeling with a heavy racquet that there’s an unlimited amount of power potential, the limiting factors being how well you time your swing and how close to the centre of the racquet you can strike the ball.
You don’t get that feeling from a lighter racquet.
 
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PistolPete23 said:
From the US Patent that was filed:

"
5. A racket, comprising:
at least one prepreg layer, including:
reinforcing fibers,
a matrix at least partially surrounding the reinforcing fibers, and
graphene material;
the graphene material being dispersed throughout the matrix and including flakes of graphene, the graphene flakes making up approximately two percent or less of a mixture it forms with the matrix, and
a volumetric content of the reinforcing fibers in the at least one prepreg layer is in the range of approximately ten percent to seventy percent.
"

Tricky, tricky. 2% OR LESS of the mixture it forms with the matrix. And that's just in ONE prepreg layer lol. Also, the flakes are likely not the true monolayer stuff but the much cheaper and inferior 2-3 layer graphite particles that has misleadingly also been called graphene by the industry.
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Chill man.
there is 1-2g of twaron in the PT57A. That is...about 0.5% of the overall racket material.
 
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Kal-El 34 said:
What are the issues with the stock grommets on these? They seem fine
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Honestly nothing - I'm just being picky because I prefer the look and feel of the i.Prestige grommets and find the PT2.0 blunt edges to be a bit ugly but it's...a very, very, VERY minor thing.
 
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jhusein said:
Are these of same weight as the one on the Pro Tour 2.0? Also, do you know of a lighter CAP grommet that fits the PT 2.0? Thanks.
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Yes, these TK238 are the exact same that came on the PT 2.0. They weigh 33g avg. I have installed these on a bunch of my older Head racquets and that is the average for me.

If you want to go lighter, I would suggest go with TK293 (Graphene and Graphene XT CAP grommets). They are 28g or so. You can tell holding them that they are a bit less robust though. Also I find the rounder edges on them to be not as aesthetically pleasing. But they will get the job done.

And if you want to go lightest, ditch CAPs altogether and go with Microgel Radical MP regular style grommets. Those will fit the 2.0 as well and will be pretty light.
 
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dr325i said:
Chill man.
there is 1-2g of twaron in the PT57A. That is...about 0.5% of the overall racket material.
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i hear what you’re saying. But I maintain that at whatever amounts Twaron was used (and it could have been really small amounts like you say) it at least can be held in your hand and it exists. The Graphene thing seems pretty ephemeral. It’s like the Higgs Boson particle or something! ;)
 
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haqq777 said:
Yes, these TK238 are the exact same that came on the PT 2.0. They weigh 33g avg. I have installed these on a bunch of my older Head racquets and that is the average for me.

If you want to go lighter, I would suggest go with TK293 (Graphene and Graphene XT CAP grommets). They are 28g or so. You can tell holding them that they are a bit less robust though. Also I find the rounder edges on them to be not as aesthetically pleasing. But they will get the job done.

And if you want to go lightest, ditch CAPs altogether and go with Microgel Radical MP regular style grommets. Those will fit the 2.0 as well and will be pretty light.
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Thank you.
 
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haqq777 said:
Yes, these TK238 are the exact same that came on the PT 2.0. They weigh 33g avg. I have installed these on a bunch of my older Head racquets and that is the average for me.

If you want to go lighter, I would suggest go with TK293 (Graphene and Graphene XT CAP grommets). They are 28g or so. You can tell holding them that they are a bit less robust though. Also I find the rounder edges on them to be not as aesthetically pleasing. But they will get the job done.

And if you want to go lightest, ditch CAPs altogether and go with Microgel Radical MP regular style grommets. Those will fit the 2.0 as well and will be pretty light.
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Inspired by your info and based on that, that I received some TK293 grommets today, I went to work. Unfortunately TK293 weights almost the same as TK238, which is 28 g. and 29 g. respectively. SInce stock racket of 344 g. is too heavy for me especially on serves and on a 2hbh, I trimmed original TK238 by 1/4, and hour and some blood caused by the awl later, I had a racket, which should be about 5 g. lighter when strung! Does not look very aesthetic but I didn't mind some grommet trimming training (Youtek grommets are in line for trimming for 5 Elite pro's and 1 Elektra pro). If that won't help, I will have to settle for MG Radical MP grommets.

Been playing my best tennis with Yonex vcore 97 (336 g. strung) before starting to experiment with old Head stuff, which lead to PT 2.0. After 10-12 hours or so with PT 2.0, no way I would have the guts to take it to the tournament. Not enough racket head speed so far, although it's a very nice frame, which I don't want to give up. I would gladly take my PC600 at 4 pt HL and 348 g. to the tournament. It feels much more manoeuvrable than this beast. Jury still on.

https://imgur.com/uTO6CHP
https://imgur.com/asYwq22
https://imgur.com/31w86pw
https://imgur.com/B1SaaoU
https://imgur.com/sjpD38a
 
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Starsailor84 said:
Inspired by your info and based on that, that I received some TK293 grommets today, I went to work. Unfortunately TK293 weights almost the same as TK238, which is 28 g. and 29 g. respectively. SInce stock racket of 344 g. is too heavy for me especially on serves and on a 2hbh, I trimmed original TK238 by 1/4, and hour and some blood caused by the awl later, I had a racket, which should be about 5 g. lighter when strung! Does not look very aesthetic but I didn't mind some grommet trimming training (Youtek grommets are in line for trimming for 5 Elite pro's and 1 Elektra pro). If that won't help, I will have to settle for MG Radical MP grommets.

Been playing my best tennis with Yonex vcore 97 (336 g. strung) before starting to experiment with old Head stuff, which lead to PT 2.0. After 10-12 hours or so with PT 2.0, no way I would have the guts to take it to the tournament. Not enough racket head speed so far, although it's a very nice frame, which I don't want to give up. I would gladly take my PC600 at 4 pt HL and 348 g. to the tournament. It feels much more manoeuvrable than this beast. Jury still on.

https://imgur.com/uTO6CHP
https://imgur.com/asYwq22
https://imgur.com/31w86pw
https://imgur.com/B1SaaoU
https://imgur.com/sjpD38a
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That is a very creative way to get your weight down, great job. It doesn't look too shabby at all.

After your post, I went back just now to double check the weight and mine is 33g on the dot for TK238. I checked on two separate grommet sets I have at the moment.

For the TK293 it was indeed 28g. I don't have pictures of that since they are already on my GXT PP but I did have spare TK238 sets so I weighed them.

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And I absolutely feel you. I am more of a modern racquet player and 2.0 is very hard for me to use. I would never bring this for matchplay. I love how it feels and looks though :)

And @TW Staff great timing on this podcast, Michelle! Was just discussing this topic above recently with a few friends. Will give this a listen. Thanks.
 
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blablavla

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esm said:
That is so cool. Thank you v much for this. This is what I was wondering.
I see loads of PT2.0 well into the highly 350g and the 360s... too demanding for me. I was able to swing low 350g when I was about 10 years younger.
I also use karakal super pu grip on most of my racquets too, so that is a good news. I have Wilson FeatherThin, so I may try that if karakal doesn’t work.
I will cut out the Lynx and string it up with fb of Syn gut, so that should save some weight also.... will see. I will aim low to mid 340g at this stage.
Thanks again.

Edit - after reducing about 5g, what is your current balance and any idea on the SW? Thanks.
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I ordered 2 matched frames, and this is the reading that I just received:
Racket #​
Weight​
Swingweight​
Balance​
Flexpoint​
1​
341.5​
330​
32.5​
62​
2​
342.8​
328​
32.5 ​
63​
3​
342.2​
327​
32.5​
61​
4​
344.6​
335​
32.6​
60​
5​
342.6​
331​
32.8​
64​
6​
343.2​
331​
32.5​
64​

all of them below 345 g static weight.
I would say very high QC here, at least for the 6 frames measured.
 
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