Hopefully Roidboy Nadal will get suspended soon

Inner Game

Semi-Pro
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...

btw...roid boy is just a muscle pull away from 3 months off.....lets all take a guess how long it will take to pull a muscle with Nadal....my guess before or during the French...


Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right
 

ksbh

Banned
Federer fan?


Inner Game said:
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...

btw...roid boy is just a muscle pull away from 3 months off.....lets all take a guess how long it will take to pull a muscle with Nadal....my guess before or during the French...


Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right
 

camelF4i

Rookie
I don't know why people think Nadal is big. He may have big biceps on his left arm, but everywhere else, he's pretty small, not much different from any of the other tennis players.

Just go to the local gym, you'll see guys that are much more muscular. It's called working out.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Hey Susan, i dont think Rafa is on roids but one question, does Tennis have a drug-policy when it comes to tennis, do they get tested after each GS?
 

Alejandro D

Semi-Pro
Inner Game said:
Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right
No, man, you're not right. So I'll slam you:) Seriously, it's not fair and you are completely wrong in accusing Nadal or any player who's never been even mentioned in a doping case. That's just trash talk.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Hey Susan, i dont think Rafa is on roids but one question, does Tennis have a drug-policy when it comes to tennis, do they get tested after each GS?

Dude, where have you been? Didn't you follow the canas & puerta cases?
Tennis players are tested more than any athletes in the world, even out of competition. And they get the book thrown at them for a positive.
Both Fed & Nadal were tested like 30 times last year. You can find more at the atp website. Remember Puerta tested positive after winning his French Open SF last year.

But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...

Anyone who thinks Nadal is muscular must have no comprehension of what athletic, strong people really look like.
Tennis players really need to get out more, pro players bodies look pretty pathetic compared to soccer, nba, etc. Heck, compared to the actors that work out at my gym, Nadal looks like scrawny child.
 
Suresh nailed it. Nadal IS 'Roid Boy.

sureshs said:
If Roid = Haemerrhoid, I agree - he is always doing something up there between points

Well done.
Painful, especially with the piratas on!

Years ago, I worked with a guy who called them called Hemmy's. Can't watch a Chrysler commercial with a straight face anymore.
 

dewey2110

Rookie
haters...just because he is the only one who can stand Fed...He was trained hard and he has very natural strokes, not tied by any "books"
 
I'm a young guy but a year ago I was bigger then Nadal. Nadal has big biceps but he's not super big or anything. He's big for a tennis player but that's all really! I don't think he is on roids, at least I hope he isn't!
 

jamauss

Hall of Fame
Nadal ain't on roids. If he ever IS though...wow...that's a scary thought. He'd be handing out bagels on clay like he worked at a bakery.
 

MR. 81

Rookie
Inner Game said:
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...

btw...roid boy is just a muscle pull away from 3 months off.....lets all take a guess how long it will take to pull a muscle with Nadal....my guess before or during the French...


Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right

Nowadays the world works like this: first you have an undeniable evidence and then you accuse.

If you've got proofs of such a serious accussation please open our eyes (I mean fans', atp doctors', other players'...).

BTW I'm 185 cm 80 kg, I work out 2-3 days a week, I don't take roids (just protein shakes etc.) and my upper body is more muscled than Nadal's. Come on call me junkie you moron
 

Grimjack

Banned
The evidence for Nadal being a chem-cheater has little to do with his musculature. What stands out is:

(1) He plays arguably the most demanding, highest-energy-expending game in tennis today, if not in tennis history. He stands WAY behind the lines, so he runs more and farther than anybody. He NEVER gives up on a ball, and seems to run down everything. And he swings at each and every ball EXTREMELY violently. So on each point, he is expending many times the energy of his competitors.

(2) Yet, he continues to be able to do it, not only week-in and week-out, but day-in and day-out. Indeed, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, which would be about as likely as a world-class marathoner running his best race, every day, day-in, day-out for a year. Which is to say: impossible, without "assistance." I should say, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, EXCEPT...

(3) ...For the frequent, minor injuries that have a tendency to crop up in those who subject their systems to chemical enhancements. Human physiology is not made to withstand the sorts of stresses that performance-enhancing chemicals allow it to. So eventually, something gives.

And, oh yeah, (4), as somebody already mentioned, there is an awful lot of "to do" about that left bicep, yet so much of the rest of his physique isn't what you'd expect of a juiced-up musclehead...right? Well, roids only work to produce musculature insofar as the person is willing to work the muscles. What they do is maximize the possible gains, primarily by allowing super-fast recovery so that you can get through the break-down/rebuild phase as fast as possible and start working again. That boost to recovery is why they're so popular among endurance athletes, too. Yet, why would Nadal (or anyone) work out his bicep so much harder? Well, he wouldn't, if bodybuilding were the issue. Yet, the amount of work that arm gets relative to the rest of the body through repeated stress COULD lead to muscular hypertrophy, if (and probably only if) it were subjected to those chemical enhancers. Put bluntly, you wouldn't expect a huge muscular imbalance -- no matter how hard one particular limb was worked every day during the daily grind -- in any body that WASN'T enhanced. The breakdown and recovery simply couldn't happen fast enough to produce that kind of imbalance.


So, tally it up. Prolonged periods of superhuman efforts, followed by layoffs that are the results of "minor injuries," and imbalanced muscular hypertrophy should be raising red flags with anyone interested in seeing the best interests of competitive justice maintained.

One would like to think that "frequent testing" would make this a non-issue, but of course, we all know that tennis doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation where fair-and-equal testing across the board is concerned. There is "rumored" :roll: history of big-name players being given a pass on positive tests for fear ratings and public interest will suffer. Tennis has a vested interest in keeping "The King of Clay" on the courts this time of year.

Not that I'm saying Nadal is doping/juicing, but you've got to wonder, when so much evidence points to it.
 

VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
ACE of Hearts said:
Hey Susan, i dont think Rafa is on roids but one question, does Tennis have a drug-policy when it comes to tennis, do they get tested after each GS?

There is random testing. Because Rafa was in so many finals last year, he was tested a lot -- some 14 or 15 times he has said. Both finalists were tested after the RG final last year.

Until there is some concrete evidence that Rafa is using performance enhancing drugs, threads like this are mere speculation.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
slice bh compliment said:
Well done.
Painful, especially with the piratas on!

Years ago, I worked with a guy who called them called Hemmy's. Can't watch a Chrysler commercial with a straight face anymore.

Oh the Hemi V12 engine. I get it.

Do you notice that Nadal is always restless and bouncing? Maybe the Roids are the secret of his success. Never lets him be in the comfort zone.
 

Rataplan

Semi-Pro
Grimjack said:
so much evidence points to it.
What evidence?

I mean, I read your long post and it's well written (even if I find most of it a stretch but it's a good read) but I honestly see no real evidence in there but just sheer speculation.
 
Grimjack said:
The evidence for Nadal being a chem-cheater has little to do with his musculature. What stands out is:

(1) He plays arguably the most demanding, highest-energy-expending game in tennis today, if not in tennis history. He stands WAY behind the lines, so he runs more and farther than anybody. He NEVER gives up on a ball, and seems to run down everything. And he swings at each and every ball EXTREMELY violently. So on each point, he is expending many times the energy of his competitors.

(2) Yet, he continues to be able to do it, not only week-in and week-out, but day-in and day-out. Indeed, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, which would be about as likely as a world-class marathoner running his best race, every day, day-in, day-out for a year. Which is to say: impossible, without "assistance." I should say, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, EXCEPT...

(3) ...For the frequent, minor injuries that have a tendency to crop up in those who subject their systems to chemical enhancements. Human physiology is not made to withstand the sorts of stresses that performance-enhancing chemicals allow it to. So eventually, something gives.

And, oh yeah, (4), as somebody already mentioned, there is an awful lot of "to do" about that left bicep, yet so much of the rest of his physique isn't what you'd expect of a juiced-up musclehead...right? Well, roids only work to produce musculature insofar as the person is willing to work the muscles. What they do is maximize the possible gains, primarily by allowing super-fast recovery so that you can get through the break-down/rebuild phase as fast as possible and start working again. That boost to recovery is why they're so popular among endurance athletes, too. Yet, why would Nadal (or anyone) work out his bicep so much harder? Well, he wouldn't, if bodybuilding were the issue. Yet, the amount of work that arm gets relative to the rest of the body through repeated stress COULD lead to muscular hypertrophy, if (and probably only if) it were subjected to those chemical enhancers. Put bluntly, you wouldn't expect a huge muscular imbalance -- no matter how hard one particular limb was worked every day during the daily grind -- in any body that WASN'T enhanced. The breakdown and recovery simply couldn't happen fast enough to produce that kind of imbalance.


So, tally it up. Prolonged periods of superhuman efforts, followed by layoffs that are the results of "minor injuries," and imbalanced muscular hypertrophy should be raising red flags with anyone interested in seeing the best interests of competitive justice maintained.

One would like to think that "frequent testing" would make this a non-issue, but of course, we all know that tennis doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation where fair-and-equal testing across the board is concerned. There is "rumored" :roll: history of big-name players being given a pass on positive tests for fear ratings and public interest will suffer. Tennis has a vested interest in keeping "The King of Clay" on the courts this time of year.

Not that I'm saying Nadal is doping/juicing, but you've got to wonder, when so much evidence points to it.

you people are so desperate. everyone who has a one-handed backhand has the "bigger" arm for obvious reasons. just look at pete's and fed's polio-arm (the left one, duh). this kid doesnt dope up. just because most of the atp dont have nice muscles like he has, he is being called a doper. how stupid.

at least i just call him a clay court specialist. thats an insult in itself.
 

johnkidd

Semi-Pro
Seems to me his game is similar to that of Vilas, but tweaked to the modern level 25-30 years later. I got to meet Vilas once back in '84 and he was pretty chisled for those days.
Moya is also pretty big, and he and Nadal are great friends. You don't think some of their training together is also gym time? The fact that Nadal's greatest weapon is the fact he will out grind you probably means he spends extra time in the gym to ensure he has the physical stamia to do so.
Those who say Nadal is juicing are the same ones who think Lance Armstrong is, even though it's widely known LA is probably the most drug tested athlete of alltime.
 

MR. 81

Rookie
johnkidd said:
The fact that Nadal's greatest weapon is the fact he will out grind you probably means he spends extra time in the gym to ensure he has the physical stamia to do so.
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Believe me, being baske/spanish I'm decently informed. Nadal doesn't work out at the gym as you would normally understand it. I have already posted it some time ago. His routine consists primarily of stretching excersises, one handed pushups, etc. Apparently it's a chinese method. He DOESN'T lift weights.
 

fallen.

New User
Inner Game said:
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...

btw...roid boy is just a muscle pull away from 3 months off.....lets all take a guess how long it will take to pull a muscle with Nadal....my guess before or during the French...


Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right

just because he has better endurance and bigger muscles than the rest of the players doesn't mean he's on steroids

maybe you're just weak
 

arosen

Hall of Fame
I just wonder how many people that post these posts actually play tennis on a regular basis. If you do play all the time, like I do, you just put your left forearm next to your right one and see the difference, and that difference is there after only 3-4 years of steady play. Nadal has played all of his life for godssakes, AND he works out. It would be abnormal if both his arms were the same.
 

monologuist

Hall of Fame
Grimjack said:
The evidence for Nadal being a chem-cheater has little to do with his musculature. What stands out is:

(1) He plays arguably the most demanding, highest-energy-expending game in tennis today, if not in tennis history. He stands WAY behind the lines, so he runs more and farther than anybody. He NEVER gives up on a ball, and seems to run down everything. And he swings at each and every ball EXTREMELY violently. So on each point, he is expending many times the energy of his competitors.

(2) Yet, he continues to be able to do it, not only week-in and week-out, but day-in and day-out. Indeed, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, which would be about as likely as a world-class marathoner running his best race, every day, day-in, day-out for a year. Which is to say: impossible, without "assistance." I should say, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, EXCEPT...

(3) ...For the frequent, minor injuries that have a tendency to crop up in those who subject their systems to chemical enhancements. Human physiology is not made to withstand the sorts of stresses that performance-enhancing chemicals allow it to. So eventually, something gives.

And, oh yeah, (4), as somebody already mentioned, there is an awful lot of "to do" about that left bicep, yet so much of the rest of his physique isn't what you'd expect of a juiced-up musclehead...right? Well, roids only work to produce musculature insofar as the person is willing to work the muscles. What they do is maximize the possible gains, primarily by allowing super-fast recovery so that you can get through the break-down/rebuild phase as fast as possible and start working again. That boost to recovery is why they're so popular among endurance athletes, too. Yet, why would Nadal (or anyone) work out his bicep so much harder? Well, he wouldn't, if bodybuilding were the issue. Yet, the amount of work that arm gets relative to the rest of the body through repeated stress COULD lead to muscular hypertrophy, if (and probably only if) it were subjected to those chemical enhancers. Put bluntly, you wouldn't expect a huge muscular imbalance -- no matter how hard one particular limb was worked every day during the daily grind -- in any body that WASN'T enhanced. The breakdown and recovery simply couldn't happen fast enough to produce that kind of imbalance.


So, tally it up. Prolonged periods of superhuman efforts, followed by layoffs that are the results of "minor injuries," and imbalanced muscular hypertrophy should be raising red flags with anyone interested in seeing the best interests of competitive justice maintained.

One would like to think that "frequent testing" would make this a non-issue, but of course, we all know that tennis doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation where fair-and-equal testing across the board is concerned. There is "rumored" :roll: history of big-name players being given a pass on positive tests for fear ratings and public interest will suffer. Tennis has a vested interest in keeping "The King of Clay" on the courts this time of year.

Not that I'm saying Nadal is doping/juicing, but you've got to wonder, when so much evidence points to it.

I attribute most of these so-called "red flags" to :
1. The fact that he is 19...19 year-olds have an amazing ability to recover from fatigue.
2. He is not on the court that long actually; since he is so dominant and rarely gets taken the distance by anyone save the world's top players (even Federer has only taken one set off him in each clay match they've played)...when he has been pushed to 5 sets, he has looked more vulnerable and fatigued, such as in Miami last year vs. Federer.
3. Genetics...he has blue-blooded athletic genes...I believe one of his uncles was a world-class soccer player...from pictures I've seen, he looked rather, ahem, "Beastly" imself...his coach/uncle Tony looks to be no runt either.
4. To me he does not look any more asymmetrical than most tennis players...he certainly exerts himself far more on the left side, so it's not surpirsing the difference in musculature. I only play 3 or 4 times a week, and I have similar proportions in terms of muscle symmetry (although on a much smaller scale..lol)

Anyway, people can say all they want about how his build contributes to his dominance, steroids or not...but it's his accuracy, consistency, competitiveness, and mental toughness that are the biggest difference-makers, b/c those are the qualities that 99.9% of his competition lack. Would steroids help him on those fronts?
 

johnkidd

Semi-Pro
MR. 81 said:
Believe me, being baske/spanish I'm decently informed. Nadal doesn't work out at the gym as you would normally understand it. I have already posted it some time ago. His routine consists primarily of stretching excersises, one handed pushups, etc. Apparently it's a chinese method. He DOESN'T lift weights.

That is a workout routine, Herschel Walker never lifted weights (only did sit ups and push ups) and they guy was huge. It's the commitment and how often you do it. I do nothing that's why I have a gut and get quickly out of shape after long points. When I played tennis in college I lifted and was 30lbs lighter and could play three set matches with little problem.
 
sureshs said:
Oh the Hemi V12 engine. I get it.

Do you notice that Nadal is always restless and bouncing? Maybe the Roids are the secret of his success. Never lets him be in the comfort zone.

Yeh, so now, I watch Rafa boucning around getting all agitated, adjusting his piratas and I think, "Wow. He's got a hemi."
 

armand

Banned
Grimjack said:
The evidence for Nadal being a chem-cheater has little to do with his musculature. What stands out is:

(1) He plays arguably the most demanding, highest-energy-expending game in tennis today, if not in tennis history. He stands WAY behind the lines, so he runs more and farther than anybody. He NEVER gives up on a ball, and seems to run down everything. And he swings at each and every ball EXTREMELY violently. So on each point, he is expending many times the energy of his competitors.

(2) Yet, he continues to be able to do it, not only week-in and week-out, but day-in and day-out. Indeed, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, which would be about as likely as a world-class marathoner running his best race, every day, day-in, day-out for a year. Which is to say: impossible, without "assistance." I should say, he seems to suffer no recovery issues at all, EXCEPT...

(3) ...For the frequent, minor injuries that have a tendency to crop up in those who subject their systems to chemical enhancements. Human physiology is not made to withstand the sorts of stresses that performance-enhancing chemicals allow it to. So eventually, something gives.

And, oh yeah, (4), as somebody already mentioned, there is an awful lot of "to do" about that left bicep, yet so much of the rest of his physique isn't what you'd expect of a juiced-up musclehead...right? Well, roids only work to produce musculature insofar as the person is willing to work the muscles. What they do is maximize the possible gains, primarily by allowing super-fast recovery so that you can get through the break-down/rebuild phase as fast as possible and start working again. That boost to recovery is why they're so popular among endurance athletes, too. Yet, why would Nadal (or anyone) work out his bicep so much harder? Well, he wouldn't, if bodybuilding were the issue. Yet, the amount of work that arm gets relative to the rest of the body through repeated stress COULD lead to muscular hypertrophy, if (and probably only if) it were subjected to those chemical enhancers. Put bluntly, you wouldn't expect a huge muscular imbalance -- no matter how hard one particular limb was worked every day during the daily grind -- in any body that WASN'T enhanced. The breakdown and recovery simply couldn't happen fast enough to produce that kind of imbalance.


So, tally it up. Prolonged periods of superhuman efforts, followed by layoffs that are the results of "minor injuries," and imbalanced muscular hypertrophy should be raising red flags with anyone interested in seeing the best interests of competitive justice maintained.

One would like to think that "frequent testing" would make this a non-issue, but of course, we all know that tennis doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation where fair-and-equal testing across the board is concerned. There is "rumored" :roll: history of big-name players being given a pass on positive tests for fear ratings and public interest will suffer. Tennis has a vested interest in keeping "The King of Clay" on the courts this time of year.

Not that I'm saying Nadal is doping/juicing, but you've got to wonder, when so much evidence points to it.
I agree with monologuist.
And if Nadal is playing like he's playing now at 27 or even 24, then I may suspect. But at 19? No.
 

mileslong

Professional
im a federer fan but i dont think nadal uses steriods, he just pumps some iron. my arms are bigger than his and i have never touched steriods. most tennis players dont lift the kind of weights that will put on that kind of muscle. they are afraid to lose flexiblity although with the proper training that shouldnt happen.

most tennis players like soccer players have rather skinny arms, there are exceptions of course but nadal is no more pumped up than moya or a number of others...
 

MR. 81

Rookie
mileslong said:
im a federer fan but i dont think nadal uses steriods, he just pumps some iron. my arms are bigger than his and i have never touched steriods. most tennis players dont lift the kind of weights that will put on that kind of muscle. they are afraid to lose flexiblity although with the proper training that shouldnt happen.

most tennis players like soccer players have rather skinny arms, there are exceptions of course but nadal is no more pumped up than moya or a number of others...

I tell you he DOESN'T!!! Maybe it's metaphoricsl and I got you wrong, but I insist, no IRONS, no weight lifting
 

Zeph

Rookie
Federer fan?

So why does disliking Nadal make him a federer fan?

This constant 2 sided battle of fed and nadal is starting to get annoying.

The instant someone comments positively on fed or on nadal, another counteracts with "Fed is much better or, Nadal is the greatest" blahblahblah
 

PurePrestige

Semi-Pro
I'm so sick of this Nadal stuff already. He may take creatine or whatnot but there is no way he is taking steroids and just cleverly evading the screenings guys. He's really not that buff at all, he's like Monfils. A low body fat % does alot more to make you look muscular than muscles alone.
I'm younger than Nadal albeit i just turned 19 on the 10th like 2 days ago. But I have bigger muscles than Nadal and I can't say ive ever really worked out that much at all. His muscles would really be helping that monstrous serve he has if he was on roids....right?
The kid can run, and run like hell. If Nadal is on roids then we'll have to add Hewitt as a roid user as well as anyone else who has good footwork and alot of endurance.
Of course Federer is obviously on steroids, he doesn't even break a sweat he has so much endurance I hope he gets suspended when they find 7 types of steroids in his urine soon....gosh people these days.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right[/QUOTE]

Nah, you're wrong. you're just jealous of all the stuff this 20 year old has accomplished.

Nadal plays great tennis, and he is Not stupid enough to be basing his career on drugs.

You got proof of all your allegations? Are you Dick Pound is disguise??
 

chiru

Professional
Inner Game said:
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...

btw...roid boy is just a muscle pull away from 3 months off.....lets all take a guess how long it will take to pull a muscle with Nadal....my guess before or during the French...


Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right

Shut up.
 

Eviscerator

Banned
Inner Game said:
It makes me sick to see all the players and fans in denial about Nadal....Yea he may be a great clay court player...But it easy to see he's chemically enhanced...But does anyone really know how they test for Roids in tennis?...If so I would like to see an article or some info on what they test...and how often...





Go ahead...slam me....but you guys know I am right

I am not a Nadal apologist, nor is he my favorite player. However, tennis has one of the strictest drug testing policies in professional sports. Just check with the ATP about their testing procedures. If Nadal was juiced, we would have heard about it by now. Granted he does not have the typical upper arms of a tennis player, but he is probably genetically predisposed to have developed that way given proper nutrition and workouts.
 

HollerOne5

Semi-Pro
Not really a Nadal fan here, but honestly, the dude isn't that big. If you see pictures of Nadal when he isn't actually sweating his ass off and playing tennis, his arms don't look nearly as defined. Its sort of the equivalent that your muscles look much more defined after a hard workout, his look much bigger once he is huffing and puffing all over the court, and now with the popularity of all the sleeveless shirts, you can see this.

Although its an issue with some players who have been caught using steroids in the past, none of them have been at the ranking or level as Nadal. Even if he ever experimented (let's say for arguments' sake) he most certainly would have stopped by now. If Puerta failed the drug test after the French Open final, Nadal was given the same test.

What is more likely, was that Justine Henin Hardenne was abusing drugs back in 2003-2004 and the reason for her long breaks from tennis that year were more from the WTA catching on to this fact, rather than her possibly made up virus that plagued her. People forget that Justine did come back and win the Olympics in the middle of that year, but blame her not playing due to the illness. I don't know how you can recover from a semifinal with Capriati, 7-6 in the third, and come back and whip Clijsters. Plus, she definitely weighs much less these days and tires much more easily. You be the judge....
 

johnkidd

Semi-Pro
unjugon said:
What´s with Moya being "big"? He is actually rather skinny..
I met Carlos last summer and got a picture of him hoding my little boy (he was six months old at the time) The guy isn't body builder huge but he's not scrawny by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who has seen these guys up close will tell you a strong majority of them are in really good shape.
 
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