How do you think recent NCAA changes will affect tennis?

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Do you think more college tennis programs will be cut due to cost of attendance stipends to athletes? I believe just the Power 5 conferences have agreed to cost of attendance for now but other D1 schools may cover it for basketball and/or football. There are midmajors that try to compete in bball with the big guys, and they may cover COA just for bball. The biggest risk may be MMs cutting nonrevenue sports to cover COA for revenue sports.

On another note, the Power 5 approved multiyear scholarships in Jan 2015 meaning players' scholarships cannot be cut or reduced for any athletic reason.* The scholarships can be cut for ineligibility, rule infractions, academic issues, etc but not for poor performance if players show up for class and practice. That rule was effective for players who were freshmen last fall. New coaches can't just cut players (or at least the freshmen) recruited by the former coaches.

Do you think this rule will have a big impact on tennis, or do you think coaches will just find ways to run players off or make them miserable enough to quit? With the earlier timeline for recruiting US juniors and the sometimes limited info coaches have on international players, there is always a risk that coaches will make recruiting mistakes. With this rule, coaches may have their hands and wallets tied for 4 years if they made the wrong choice. There are pros and cons to the rule-it's fair that players who get injured playing for team will still be able to afford to attend college.
I wonder if coaches will take more time in the recruiting process now. There are some coaches with very little turnover and smaller rosters so their current process probably won't change, but others who drop or lose half their freshmen each year may need a new game plan for recruiting. The multiyear rule does not apply to freshmen who are not offered $ until their soph year or later; I wonder if more coaches will try to sign recruits with promises for $ in future years to avoid the rule.

While these rules were passed in January 2015, I am not sure when COA comes into play, but the guaranteed scholarships were for last year's class, and coaches would still have the option to cut or reduce upperclassmen but not freshmen scholarships this month for 2016/17. Some of the Power 5 schools allowed multiyear scholarships before, but now it is mandated. For international students, were coaches offering 4 years before to entice top players?

*http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-cost-of-attendance-proposal-dont-stop-there/ "Also passing was a proposal that guarantees four-year athletics scholarships cannot be reduced or canceled for performance reasons. Per the Associated Press, that proposal was opposed by both the SEC and the Big 12.
http://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/
 

Nacho

Hall of Fame
Do you think more college tennis programs will be cut due to cost of attendance stipends to athletes? I believe just the Power 5 conferences have agreed to cost of attendance for now but other D1 schools may cover it for basketball and/or football. There are midmajors that try to compete in bball with the big guys, and they may cover COA just for bball. The biggest risk may be MMs cutting nonrevenue sports to cover COA for revenue sports.

On another note, the Power 5 approved multiyear scholarships in Jan 2015 meaning players' scholarships cannot be cut or reduced for any athletic reason.* The scholarships can be cut for ineligibility, rule infractions, academic issues, etc but not for poor performance if players show up for class and practice. That rule was effective for players who were freshmen last fall. New coaches can't just cut players (or at least the freshmen) recruited by the former coaches.

Do you think this rule will have a big impact on tennis, or do you think coaches will just find ways to run players off or make them miserable enough to quit? With the earlier timeline for recruiting US juniors and the sometimes limited info coaches have on international players, there is always a risk that coaches will make recruiting mistakes. With this rule, coaches may have their hands and wallets tied for 4 years if they made the wrong choice. There are pros and cons to the rule-it's fair that players who get injured playing for team will still be able to afford to attend college.
I wonder if coaches will take more time in the recruiting process now. There are some coaches with very little turnover and smaller rosters so their current process probably won't change, but others who drop or lose half their freshmen each year may need a new game plan for recruiting. The multiyear rule does not apply to freshmen who are not offered $ until their soph year or later; I wonder if more coaches will try to sign recruits with promises for $ in future years to avoid the rule.

While these rules were passed in January 2015, I am not sure when COA comes into play, but the guaranteed scholarships were for last year's class, and coaches would still have the option to cut or reduce upperclassmen but not freshmen scholarships this month for 2016/17. Some of the Power 5 schools allowed multiyear scholarships before, but now it is mandated. For international students, were coaches offering 4 years before to entice top players?

*http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-cost-of-attendance-proposal-dont-stop-there/ "Also passing was a proposal that guarantees four-year athletics scholarships cannot be reduced or canceled for performance reasons. Per the Associated Press, that proposal was opposed by both the SEC and the Big 12.
http://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/

I don't think tennis programs will be cut because of COA stipends, although it is a possibility and certainly can be an excuse. Tennis programs, and other non revenue sport programs get cut for a lot of reasons, but mostly because there is no investment from the Athletic Department in the program. So when it comes time to look budgets tennis can get hit. It is sad because the financial footprint tennis has on an Athletic Department is very low, so cutting it isn't always necessary. But, with Schools that are forced into tight budgets where every dollar counts, tennis is often hit because not all athletic departments value the sport and the coaches as a whole, while good tennis coaches, are not always savvy or experienced at knowing how to manage the athletic departments and funding. College tennis coaches outside of the power conferences are a smorgasbord of experience and involvement. In many cases its volunteer...The best tennis coaches are out in the profession because thats where the money is, while other sports the money is in college. Again, there are some amazing college tennis coaches out there, its a fulfilling profession when supported

Multiyear scholarships are tricky. I don't know much about this to be honest, but my guess would be there are good and bad points to this, probably more in the favor for an athlete rather then the Athletic Department. To your point it may mean some changes in the recruiting process that could be for the good, but hard to tell right now. It will definitely force programs to commit to students rather then cast them aside. I don't think tennis would end up being different then any other sport except that I have noticed that a lot of players transfer schools in tennis more so then other sports so this could impact that percentage?
 

andfor

Legend
I've contended their will be winners and losers from the Power 5 alignment. And the unintended consequence for DI programs not in the power 5 would be to cut sports possibly leaving only mens football, basketball and maybe one or two other sports, women will have equal numbers of scholarships and maybe womens tennis will be spared some.

I see more college bound male tennis kids having to go mid-major DI, DII and NAIA more than ever in the years to come. We'll see.......
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
"Multiyear scholarships are tricky. I don't know much about this to be honest, but my guess would be there are good and bad points to this, probably more in the favor for an athlete rather then the Athletic Department. To your point it may mean some changes in the recruiting process that could be for the good, but hard to tell right now. It will definitely force programs to commit to students rather then cast them aside. I don't think tennis would end up being different then any other sport except that I have noticed that a lot of players transfer schools in tennis more so then other sports so this could impact that percentage?[/QUOTE]

I think tennis is somewhat different in that prior to college, most tennis competition is individual, and during college most competition is team. Coaches may recruit players who are good competitors who don't transition well to college tennis-maybe it is the team aspect, the different surface -hard/indoor vs clay, the cheering and/or heckling, etc. For most other college sports, the game format is the same; college players are just bigger and more physical. Also tennis is different in that the sport has the highest % of international players so coaches may have only watched players once or just on video; they may be relying on stats. I've looked at some rosters, and I dont know how coaches can predict who will have an impact. Several international guys are brought in as freshmen; the one with best junior ITF ranking has so so results at fall invitationals and never plays in the spring. Meanwhile, the somewhat lower ranked other international freshman jumps right in and wins most of his matches at 4 or 5 in a tough conference. Another international freshman for a different team is brought in to play at #4, and each week he is dropped in the lineup, and then is replaced with an older American who had been sitting on the bench. Probably at least 25% of internationals don't have expected results. However others may even do better than expected, but with multiyear scholarships, those that dont pan out will affect recruiting for the next 3 years. If an American player does not do as well as expected, he probably was not as big of a draw on the budget so there is lesser impact on future years. Plus more coaches are able to recruit US players with the line, if you do well, you will get more next year..... Most internationals expect the $ freshman year. Also some internationals take a gap year to improve English, SAT scores, etc, so they can't compete after December before they enroll in school the next fall. While they may have been good competitors the prior year, they may not have maintained their game with just drills and practice match play. Will be interesting to see how the rule change plays out over the next 5 years. I think people may have to lower expectations for new coaches if they are limited by this rule and their limited remaining budget in bringing in their own players.
 

Nacho

Hall of Fame
"Multiyear scholarships are tricky. I don't know much about this to be honest, but my guess would be there are good and bad points to this, probably more in the favor for an athlete rather then the Athletic Department. To your point it may mean some changes in the recruiting process that could be for the good, but hard to tell right now. It will definitely force programs to commit to students rather then cast them aside. I don't think tennis would end up being different then any other sport except that I have noticed that a lot of players transfer schools in tennis more so then other sports so this could impact that percentage?

I think tennis is somewhat different in that prior to college, most tennis competition is individual, and during college most competition is team. Coaches may recruit players who are good competitors who don't transition well to college tennis-maybe it is the team aspect, the different surface -hard/indoor vs clay, the cheering and/or heckling, etc. For most other college sports, the game format is the same; college players are just bigger and more physical. Also tennis is different in that the sport has the highest % of international players so coaches may have only watched players once or just on video; they may be relying on stats. I've looked at some rosters, and I dont know how coaches can predict who will have an impact. Several international guys are brought in as freshmen; the one with best junior ITF ranking has so so results at fall invitationals and never plays in the spring. Meanwhile, the somewhat lower ranked other international freshman jumps right in and wins most of his matches at 4 or 5 in a tough conference. Another international freshman for a different team is brought in to play at #4, and each week he is dropped in the lineup, and then is replaced with an older American who had been sitting on the bench. Probably at least 25% of internationals don't have expected results. However others may even do better than expected, but with multiyear scholarships, those that dont pan out will affect recruiting for the next 3 years. If an American player does not do as well as expected, he probably was not as big of a draw on the budget so there is lesser impact on future years. Plus more coaches are able to recruit US players with the line, if you do well, you will get more next year..... Most internationals expect the $ freshman year. Also some internationals take a gap year to improve English, SAT scores, etc, so they can't compete after December before they enroll in school the next fall. While they may have been good competitors the prior year, they may not have maintained their game with just drills and practice match play. Will be interesting to see how the rule change plays out over the next 5 years. I think people may have to lower expectations for new coaches if they are limited by this rule and their limited remaining budget in bringing in their own players.[/QUOTE]

Well....yes and no....First, Golf is an individual sport with low overhead, Gymnastics, Track, Swimming and wrestling function as team and individual sports, also as sports which often get cut...also you have other sports with Internationals, but you are right, Internationals are probably highest in Tennis although I don't know the stats. I am pretty confident that there is a high recruitment of Internationals in Track/Cross Country and Soccer, but the data is sparse. But Look through some rosters and you'll see them (Example: http://www.hailstate.com/roster.aspx?path=cross You have students on the Corss Country team from Ireland, Wales, UK, and Germany).

The International component could play into this more, I think it depends on the coach. Some coaches really believe in the talent, age, and experience of International players and thus shun American Prospects not 5 star or better. What you describe (with people unexpectedly rising) makes my case that a tennis season should be tournaments, not just team matches, as the tournaments allow kids to compete and not get smothered by their team. I have always felt there should be a tournament season and a dual match season. But that is another discussion on another thread.

@andfor makes a good point in that there might be some D-1 losers, but in the end the other divisions will thrive. If D-1s cut tennis, they are basically trimming down to everything but sports that make money. This could be a process where tennis is just right sizing itself based on the participation, I am not sure.
 

andfor

Legend
..................I have always felt there should be a tournament season and a dual match season. But that is another discussion on another thread.........

Fall season is already tournament based. Spring season is dual team format.
 

Nacho

Hall of Fame
Fall season is already tournament based. Spring season is dual team format.

Your right, any tournaments are during the summer and fall, but are sparse...And some teams play a dual match or two in the Fall.
I believe the Fall should be Dual Match, with the matches around the football games and a tournament somewhere at the end...Then the spring should be conference and regional tournaments, culminating in the the NCAA tournament. Right now the emphasis is on the dual match, and the tournaments are optional and sparse....And no more No Ad

Sorry to take up this thread with that....
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
Most student-athletes want to play so I dont see too many just giving up and taking the remaining years as a free ride. Some will but I would think many transfer.
 
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