How much do you miss Murray?

[MeatTornado]

I thought the tour would be better off without him.

I was wrong.

 

[oldmanfan]

If all we need is somebody to threaten Federer I can do it right now, but it will probably land me in jail.

Not if you threaten them with X's and O's.

 

[triple_9]

I logged in after a year or so when I saw a title... I miss you Andy !

 

[Benben245]

If Federer had a serious back injury in Australia he wouldn't have played. It wasn't him but Murray who was forced to undergo career-threatening back surgery at the end of that year.

Federer wore a compression garment under shirt and has talked about his bad back during that tournament. Your position is irredeemable

 

[I Am Finnish]

plus, Novak is not Finnish. @I Am Finnish

Beautiful picture


He is a serb

 

[ak24alive]

Olympic Gold medals: Murray 2, Stan 1/2 (In reality, Stan's gold medal is shared with Federer's and together their's count as 1 for Spain. Murray's 2 gold meals each count as 2 for GB all by themselves).

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Just a typo, we all do it sometimes!

 

[Username_]

hes better than all the newgen nextgen weakgen w/e

 

[ak24alive]

If Federer had a serious back injury in Australia he wouldn't have played. It wasn't him but Murray who was forced to undergo career-threatening back surgery at the end of that year.

Federer wore a compression garment under shirt and has talked about his bad back during that tournament. Your position is irredeemable

I have to agree with Mainad here that Roger's back injury was less serious than Andy's.
An injury needing a surgery>>>>>>just an injury.
Roger has always had back problems like pain and stiffness similarly to Rafa's chronic problem of Kohler's feet and knee tendinitis but do these compare to Delpo's wrists, Andy's back and hip or Novak's elbow?
No sir I think not.

Nadal's injury problems have being much bigger than any of these on a large scale obviously but they were quite manageable and his team did a brilliant job of managing them despite what people here might think. I wonder how many of you here know that in 2004 he was told to quit his career because of Kohler's feet and then his father with the help of a doctor found a solution to this problem so that he can still play and in 2005 he won 10 titles at the age of 19. Still I have to say these were not the kind of problems that would take his game away unlike Andy's hip, Delpo's wrist and Novak's elbow.

Edit: I didn't pay attention initially to the bolded text from Mainad's comment. Although I agree with most of what he says but it is wrong to say that Roger didn't have problems that AO and regarding the point he made that Roger wouldn't have played if he was unfit I have to say that at the time Roger had never missed a major and he didn't want to. It's as simple as that. He played with a problem and he paid the price for it.
@Sabratha edited it mate.

 

[ak24alive]

Just a typo, we all do it sometimes!

Technically that's a brain fade. I was just kidding btw. That emoji is so weirdly funny

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I have to agree with Mainad here that Roger's back injury was less serious than Andy's.
An injury needing a surgery>>>>>>just an injury.
Roger has always had back problems like pain and stiffness similarly to Rafa's chronic problem of Kohler's feet and knee tendinitis but do these compare to Delpo's wrists, Andy's back and hip or Novak's elbow?
No sir I think not.

Nadal's injury problems have being much bigger than any of these on a large scale obviously but they were quite manageable and his team did a brilliant job of managing them despite what people here might think. I wonder how many of you here know that in 2004 he was told to quit his career because of Kohler's feet and then his father with the help of a doctor found a solution to this problem so that he can still play and in 2005 he won 10 titles at the age of 19. Still I have to say these were not the kind of problems that would take his game away unlike Andy's hip, Delpo's wrist and Novak's elbow.

Murray wasn't needing a surgery yet or showing any niggling injuries when he entered the Australian Open. He was actually showing some of his best form ever.

Federer however was wearing a back brace for most matches that AO. He clearly wasn't at his best no matter how many excuses Mainad makes.

It's more about the exact circumstances than examining the year as a whole. Murray's back woes came into effect around Roland Garros (he still won Wimbledon).

Federer got Murray back when their circumstances were reversed the next year.

 

[ak24alive]

Murray wasn't needing a surgery yet or showing any niggling injuries when he entered the Australian Open. He was actually showing some of his best form ever.

Federer however was wearing a back brace for most matches that AO. He clearly wasn't at his best no matter how many excuses Mainad makes.

It's more about the exact circumstances than examining the year as a whole. Murray's back woes came into effect around Roland Garros (he still won Wimbledon).

Federer got Murray back when their circumstances were reversed the next year.

Hey Sab no offence mate but read his comment first he said that Fed's problem from 2013 was less severe than Murray's problems from later that year. He ain't saying that Murray was injured at 2013 AO.
And yes I completely agree that Roger was seriously hampered by back problems at 2013 AO and not just AO but half of that season. Still I firmly believe Roger's 2013 first half problem < Andy's later half 2013 problem and this is what the debate is about.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Hey Sab no offence mate but read his comment first he said that Fed's problem from 2013 was less severe than Murray's problems from later that year. He ain't saying that Murray was injured at 2013 AO.
And yes I completely agree that Roger was seriously hampered by back problems at 2013 AO and not just AO but half of that season. Still I firmly believe Roger's 2013 first half problem < Andy's later half 2013 problem and this is what the debate is about.

Murray won Wimbledon with a bad back! People don’t appreciate this enough.

Mury goat.

 

[ak24alive]

Murray won Wimbledon with a bad back! People don’t appreciate this enough.

Mury goat.

 

[D.Nalby12]

It's really hard to miss Murray. Sometimes I even missed Nadal (When he was out) but Murray? Probably never.

 

[MichaelNadal]

It's really hard to miss Murray. Sometimes I even missed Nadal (When he was out) but Murray? Probably never.

You better slay
Always liked Murray, but he's really neither here nor there lol

 

[JackGates]

Olympic Gold medals: Murray 2, Stan 1/2 (In reality, Stan's gold medal is shared with Federer's and together their's count as 1 for Spain. Murray's 2 gold meals each count as 2 for GB all by themselves).

Mainad when will you admit that Federer is just greater tennis player than Murray? I mean, I'm all for debates, but what you are doing is extremely annoying, like flat Earthers. In what Universe is 3 majors greater than 20 majors?
There is one thing to be open minded and go against the majority, but not so much that your brain falls out.
Hey, majority is not wrong all the time, do you know that?

 

[Sysyphus]

I miss him more than ham misses burger.
I miss him more than Dimitrov misses his second serve on crucial points.
I miss him more than suresh would miss gulab jamun on a diet.
I miss him more than me decadent recovering drunk nan misses a nedgroni cocktail.
I miss him more than Miss Universe misses the universe.

 

[Purplemonster]

Slams: Murray 3 Stan 3
Masters: Murray 14 Stan 1
ATP titles: Murray 45 Stan 16
WTF: Murray 1 Stan 0
Olympic Gold medals: Murray 2 Stan 1
Weeks at #1: Murray 41 Stan 0
Year end #1: Murray 1 Stan 0
DC: Murray 1 Stan 1

Even Stevie Wonder can see that Murray is far more accomplished.

Without a doubt more accomplished just nowhere near as entertaining and fun to watch as the Stanimal.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Without a doubt more accomplished just nowhere near as entertaining and fun to watch as the Stanimal.

I can get behind that, Stan is a joy to watch.

 

[Gazelle]

The tour is so bad right now I miss Murray as clay competition for Nadal.

 

[Plamen1234]

Mainad when will you admit that Federer is just greater tennis player than Murray? I mean, I'm all for debates, but what you are doing is extremely annoying, like flat Earthers. In what Universe is 3 majors greater than 20 majors?
There is one thing to be open minded and go against the majority, but not so much that your brain falls out.
Hey, majority is not wrong all the time, do you know that?

I dont think Mainad is denying Federer is greater than Murray.He is talking about Olympic Gold Medals

 

[JackGates]

I dont think Mainad is denying Federer is greater than Murray.He is talking about Olympic Gold Medals

Maybe not that, but he is denying the gap between them in greatness. Fed is much greater than Mainad thinks.

 

[BringBackWood]

I miss watching his passive play get punished.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Mainad when will you admit that Federer is just greater tennis player than Murray? I mean, I'm all for debates, but what you are doing is extremely annoying, like flat Earthers. In what Universe is 3 majors greater than 20 majors?
There is one thing to be open minded and go against the majority, but not so much that your brain falls out.
Hey, majority is not wrong all the time, do you know that?

When has Mainad ever said Murray is better than Federer?? He was just arguing that Stan’s gold medal is only “half” a gold medal which I disagree with but he never said Murray is better than Fed lol.

 

[JackGates]

When has Mainad ever said Murray is better than Federer?? He was just arguing that Stan’s gold medal is only “half” a gold medal which I disagree with but he never said Murray is better than Fed lol.

When Murray was leading h2h, Mainad was very vocal, so he things that h2h and two medals is equal or greater than Fed. Or at least he things Murray should be part of the big four, which is insane too.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

When Murray was leading h2h, Mainad was very vocal, so he things that h2h and two medals is equal or greater than Fed. Or at least he things Murray should be part of the big four, which is insane too.

How is Murray being part of the big 4 insane? He’s been by far the 4th greatest player of this generation and he’s leaps and bounds ahead of everyone not named Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic.

 

[JackGates]

How is Murray being part of the big 4 insane? He’s been by far the 4th greatest player of this generation and he’s leaps and bounds ahead of everyone not named Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic.

Because lumping 20 GS champion and 3 GS champion in the same tier is insane.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Because lumping 20 GS champion and 3 GS champion in the same tier is insane.

The moniker “big 4” was created because Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray were the most consistent players on the tour and more often than not all in the semis of slams.

Everyone knows that Murray is far behind the other 3 but he’s been consistent enough to give them some troubles over the years and he’s way ahead of everyone else so it suits for me.

 

[JackGates]

The moniker “big 4” was created because Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray were the most consistent players on the tour and more often than not all in the semis of slams.

Everyone knows that Murray is far behind the other 3 but he’s been consistent enough to give them some troubles over the years and he’s way ahead of everyone else so it suits for me.

Yes, everyone knows, but Mainad doesn't know, he is too biased. He actually uses the moniker to lump Murray with others.

 

[Sysyphus]

federistas still in disarray as their hero swims aimlessly for Tokyo 2020, trying to find his way into the 'goat debate'?

nothing new under the sun

 

[kramer woodie]

Murray? I don't miss Mr. Nasty Mouth at all!!!

Aloha

 

[JackGates]

federistas still in disarray as their hero swims aimlessly for Tokyo 2020, trying to find his way into the 'goat debate'?

nothing new under the sun

Yeah, right we really feel bad when Muzzy baby is in Finland, while Fed won more slams last year than Murray entire career.

 

[Sysyphus]

Yeah, right we really feel bad when Muzzy baby is in Finland, while Fed won more slams last year than Murray entire career.

bragging about slams and masters counts is a bit like bragging about being a millionaire in the early 20s Weimar republic — after a certain point, hyperinflation makes such numbers rather meaningless. A defended Olympic Singles Gold on the other hand, biggest stage in sports, now that's singularity.

 

[Terenigma]

Very much. I really enjoy watching his tennis and his mix ups with pace and variety. He isn't just a ballbasher or a retrival-bot like Djokovic. He actually keeps it interesting for me and yes i am aware this is a minority view. He also indirectly makes his opponents more watchable too because of his so called "passive" style of play. So yeah i'm very much missing watching Murray matches.

I love tennis and my passion for playing it remains very much intact but my passion for watching is deterioating fast.

 

[JackGates]

bragging about slams and masters counts is a bit like bragging about being a millionaire in the early 20s Weimar republic — after a certain point, hyperinflation makes such numbers rather meaningless. A defended Olympic Singles Gold on the other hand, biggest stage in sports, now that's singularity.

No, inflation applies to gold too. Because since a long time ago, Olympic gold is not real gold, surely you know this. Yes in the past where gold was actual gold and not just plated, the medal was the "golden" standard of greatness. But now, it's just a gimmick. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "silver" medal is actually even made from materials that are more expensive. I think people create fake gold stuff all the time, so in factories they don't have silver colour in stock, so this means that it costs actually more to make a silver medal.

 

[Sysyphus]

No, inflation applies to gold too. Because since a long time ago, Olympic gold is not real gold, surely you know this. Yes in the past where gold was actual gold and not just plated, the medal was the "golden" standard of greatness. But now, it's just a gimmick. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "silver" medal is actually even made from materials that are more expensive. I think people create fake gold stuff all the time, so in factories they don't have silver colour in stock, so this means that it costs actually more to make a silver medal.

the concrete medals and trophies will surely wither under the sands of time, but the abstract property of defending an Olympic Singles Gold is eternal, untarnishable.

 

[JackGates]

the concrete medals and trophies will surely wither under the sands of time, but the abstract property of defending an Olympic Singles Gold is eternal, untarnishable.

Therefore the cast of shadows about the pillars of not defending the coveted grand slam races, the eyebrows of the doubters will always fail to recognize true status of divinity in the absence of poetic newbieness.

 

[Paul Harman]

Fedr slams, weak era. Obvs.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

i miss his occasional denadalizations...

 

[Sysyphus]

i miss his occasional denadalizations...

so does rafaello

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Andy, Jamie, what's the difference

 

[JackGates]

so does rafaello

True, it happens like once in five years, Rafa misses those rare moments.

 

[mike danny]

Murray was never part of the big four; he merely had the Henman spotlight on his shoulders. Wawrinka is really the better player; not more talented, but more accomplished and successful.

Wawrinka is not more accomplished than Murray overall. He is however more accomplished at the AO than Mury.

 

[mike danny]

And his record against the best at grand slams? (Not including Federer 2013 with his back injury at Australia)

Wawrinka has only really done well against Djokovic in GS. Against Federer and Nadal not so much.

 

[mike danny]

Olympic tennis was just making a comeback, do we call AO a junk trophy because it was only won by mugs not that long ago? No it’s regarded as a prestigious event now and I believe in time the Olympics will be too.

Not awarding it any points isn't doing it any favors though.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Wawrinka is not more accomplished than Murray overall. He is however more accomplished at the AO than Mury.

Both have 5 wins against the big three at GS level.

 

[mike danny]

Murray won Wimbledon with a bad back! People don’t appreciate this enough.

Mury goat.

So did Fedr

 

[mike danny]

Both have 5 wins against the big three at GS level.

Yes, but Murray has so many other things.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Yes, but Murray has so many other things.

Wawrinka has pushed the big 3 to 5 setters more often than Murray.