If Murray wins French Open, insane to think only Grand Slam missing is Australian Open

[McEnroeisanartist]

I woke up this morning and my first thought was:

If Andy Murray wins the French Open, how insane it would be that the only Grand Slam missing for him is the Australian Open.

Murray, of course, has reached 5 finals there and another semifinal. The Australian Open is the only Grand Slam where he has defeated Federer and Nadal at. Who else can say they have done that? Djokovic at the Australian Open/French Open/Wimbledon/US Open, Soderling at French Open, Del Potro at US Open

 

[SoBad]

French + OZ gives Murray gold slam, something Federer has been struggling mightily to achieve.

 

[Phoenix1983]

He has lost 5 finals there in fact.

 

[Cenarius]

So he already won a hc slam(UO).He would have won slams on hard,grass and clay already.No need of an AO title in that regard.

 

[tennisaddict]

Whoever wins a title the previous week is always the favorite to win the next major.

This belief is the foundation of TTW.

 

[mattosgrant]

Just shows how strong and dominant the Djoker has been there.

 

[tennis_pro]

I woke up this morning and my first thought was:

Now THAT'S dedication to the sport.

 

[Adv. Edberg]

Well, so far he hasn't even been close of winning and can't even remember last time he beat Djoko in a slam.

 

[reaper]

A guy has been top 4 for 8 of the last 9 years and it's remarkable that he has won 2 Grand slam tournaments in that time? In a way it is remarkable....that he's only won two...

 

[helterskelter]

So he already won a hc slam(UO).He would have won slams on hard,grass and clay already.No need of an AO title in that regard.

Except that the US Open and the Australian Open are different tournaments, played on different courts. Winning slams on hard, grass, and clay and winning the career Slam are not the same thing.

Besides which, it's just silly to say that any player ever has "no need of an AO title."

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Murray's resume was your first thought in the morning? Okay...

 

[uscwang]

I've always thought that Murray has a Sharapova's career in him. CGS is quite likely.

 

[Giroudsleftboot]

Murray winning RG would be the greatest troll in tennis history

 

[Krish872007]

I've always thought that Murray has a Sharapova's career in him. CGS is quite likely.

That is a very "layered" statement - so many possible interpretations

 

[tennisfan2015]

Wow! If Stan wins Wimby the only GS missing is USO! I woke up thinking of that

 

[uscwang]

That is a very "layered" statement - so many possible interpretations

I didn't mean it. I mean, Murray could quite likely win a Career GS, without being considered Top 10 ATG. Somewhat like Sharapova.

 

[Shaolin]

If Verdasco wins the French, all he's missing is W, US and AO!

 

[Krish872007]

I didn't mean it. I mean, Murray could quite likely win a Career GS, without being considered Top 10 ATG. Somewhat like Sharapova.

Yeah don't worry, I was pulling your leg. I could certainly see him ending up with 4-5 Slams and possibly a Career Slam

 

[uscwang]

In their early career, Murray was probably more promising than Novak.
Many people tried to forget this, after Indian Wells 2009, then 22 y.o. Murray owned then 27 y.o. Federer, 6 to 2.

 

[Antonio Puente]

I woke up this morning and my first thought was:

If Andy Murray wins the French Open, how insane it would be that the only Grand Slam missing for him is the Australian Open.

So, in other words, he has two slams and is halfway there.

This realization shocked you out of your sleep?

 

[Incognito]

I really hope Andy wins the FO. That will make djokovic the 5th best player on clay of his generation.

1. Nadal
2. Federer


3. Murray
4. Stan





5. djokovic

 

[cockneyDjoker]

Murray's resume was your first thought in the morning? Okay...

He obviously wakes up alone in that case LOL

 

[Cenarius]

Except that the US Open and the Australian Open are different tournaments, played on different courts. Winning slams on hard, grass, and clay and winning the career Slam are not the same thing.

Besides which, it's just silly to say that any player ever has "no need of an AO title."

I know it's not the same thing and presicely my point.What is there to disagree?

 

[mattosgrant]

I really hope Andy wins the FO. That will make djokovic the 5th best player on clay of his generation.

1. Nadal
2. Federer


3. Murray
4. Stan





5. djokovic

Haha Djokovic easily outranks Stan overall on clay even without the FO (and I am a big fan of both guys). At the FO alone it is a debate which would be ahead, Djokovic with his horde of finals and semis and Stan with his 1 title and no other semis. Then when you add in the other clay tournaments it is no contest.

 

[cc0509]

Haha Djokovic easily outranks Stan overall on clay even without the FO (and I am a big fan of both guys). At the FO alone it is a debate which would be ahead, Djokovic with his horde of finals and semis and Stan with his 1 title and no other semis. Then when you add in the other clay tournaments it is no contest.

Yes, but the reality is that unless you have that FO title you can have 100 other clay titles and you can't be considered in the big league without the clay slam. He needs that FO to cement his status on clay.

 

[ultradr]

Just imagine if Nadal did not exist last 12+ years...........


This is surface agnostic power baseline era.

 

[Incognito]

Haha Djokovic easily outranks Stan overall on clay even without the FO (and I am a big fan of both guys). At the FO alone it is a debate which would be ahead, Djokovic with his horde of finals and semis and Stan with his 1 title and no other semis. Then when you add in the other clay tournaments it is no contest.

Please don't compare djokovic to a FO winner like Stan. And it's not like FO is the only title Stan has on clay either.

I would never rank Rafa higher than Nalbandian at WTF even though Rafa has qualified more times and had been in the final more times LOL. Fact: Nalbandian has won the tournament, Rafa hasn't.

Fact: Stan has won the greatest clay tournament there is. Djokovic has not! Stan is greater, full stop.

 

[mattosgrant]

Yes, but the reality is that unless you have that FO title you can have 100 other clay titles and you can't be considered in the big league without the clay slam. He needs that FO to cement his status on clay.

I agree there. He wont be one of the Open Era greats on clay without a FO for sure.

 

[mattosgrant]

Please don't compare djokovic to a FO winner like Stan. And it's not like FO is the only title Stan has on clay either.

I would never rank Rafa higher than Nalbandian at WTF even though Rafa has qualified more times and had been in the final more times LOL. Fact: Nalbandian has won the tournament, Rafa hasn't.

Fact: Stan has won the greatest clay tournament there is. Djokovic has not! Stan is greater, full stop.

By your logic Johansson > Andy Murray on slow hard courts (not just the Australian Open but slow hard courts overall) since he has the Australian Open title and Murray doesnt.

Or Conchita Martinez > Hana Mandilikova on grass since Conchita won Wimbledon.

Or Anastasia Myskina > Gabriela Sabatini on clay.

Perhaps you might believe all that too, but they all just make me split my side with laughter.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Too bad Ultron already won the FO

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Too bad Ultron already won the FO

Not quite yet, Murray has a great shot.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Not quite yet, Murray has a great shot.

He does indeed if Ultron runs the gauntlet first. The key to this tournament is how much energy the machine has in the QF/Semi/Finals. If he breezes through the first week it's not good if you're rooting for anyone else. For once, I hope he gets a draw that is a bit tougher than garlic knots.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

He does indeed if Ultron runs the gauntlet first. The key to this tournament is how much energy the machine has in the QF/Semi/Finals. If he breezes through the first week it's not good if you're rooting for anyone else. For once, I hope he gets a draw that is a bit tougher than garlic knots.

I hope for a Wawrinka-Djokovic rematch in the SF personally.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I hope for a Wawrinka-Djokovic rematch in the SF personally.

I hope Djokovic isn't in the semi's personally

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I hope Djokovic isn't in the semi's personally

That's a good scenario too.

 

[MichaelNadal]

That's a good scenario too.

Rafa could meet either Murray or Novak in the QF right?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Rafa could meet either Murray or Novak in the QF right?

By the looks of things, yep. Better Novak than Murray IMO.

 

[MichaelNadal]

By the looks of things, yep. Better Novak than Murray IMO.

Hmm, tbh I'm not sure. Murray is probably playing at a higher level, but he's still more likely to beat Murray than Ultron at this point. So many damn questions heading into this slam. Hopefully it delivers and it's not a predictable and easy title for Nole. I'm ready to get it started.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Hmm, tbh I'm not sure. Murray is probably playing at a higher level, but he's still more likely to beat Murray than Ultron at this point. So many damn questions heading into this slam. Hopefully it delivers and it's not a predictable and easy title for Nole. I'm ready to get it started.

I'm just thinking if Rafa and Novak meet in the QF Rafa will relish the rematch, if ya know what I mean.

 

[cc0509]

By the looks of things, yep. Better Novak than Murray IMO.

You think Nadal has a better chance of beating Novak in the QF than he does Murray? I don't think so.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You think Nadal has a better chance of beating Novak in the QF than he does Murray? I don't think so.

Nope but I think his chances are better against Novak earlier on as opposed to later. Murray usually beats Nadal in QFs.

 

[cc0509]

Nope but I think his chances are better against Novak earlier on as opposed to later. Murray usually beats Nadal in QFs.

Not at the FO though. I don't think Murray would beat Nadal in any round in the FO. Beating Nadal in Madrid is one thing but it's hard to see how he would do it at the FO.

As for Nadal having better chances to beat Novak earlier rather than later, I personally think it's probably the opposite, i.e. Nadal would have a better chance to beat Novak in a SF or F perhaps.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I'm just thinking if Rafa and Novak meet in the QF Rafa will relish the rematch, if ya know what I mean.

Yeah, kinda AO12'ish, I really don't think Rafa feels like he can't beat Novak at RG now. Last year, he probably expected to lose and had zero belief. Now he's like, let me get a set point this time and I'm gonna wreck your dreams

 

[Mainad]

Not at the FO though. I don't think Murray would beat Nadal in any round in the FO. Beating Nadal in Madrid is one thing but it's hard to see how he would do it at the FO.

In the past, I would have agreed with you but not now. Why don't you think he could do it now?

 

[MichaelNadal]

In the past, I would have agreed with you but not now. Why don't you think he could do it now?

I think people are still underestimating Nadal a bit on Chatrier. He's lost 2 matches there in his life, and last year was by far the worst form of his career. Murray don't wan' nun' of him on Chatrier.

 

[Mainad]

Well, so far he hasn't even been close of winning

Not so. He was close in 2013 and 2015.

and can't even remember last time he beat Djoko in a slam.

That's probably because you're Swedish. We in the UK can never forget 2013 Wimbledon!

 

[Mainad]

I think people are still underestimating Nadal a bit on Chatrier. He's lost 2 matches there in his life, and last year was by far the worst form of his career. Murray don't wan' nun' of him on Chatrier.

I'm not underestimating Nadal by any means but Murray has vastly improved on clay even since last year so I personally don't think it will be as cut and dried between them as it used to be.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I'm not underestimating Nadal by any means but Murray has vastly improved on clay even since last year so I personally don't think it will be as cut and dried between them as it used to be.

Agreed I just would expect Nadal in 4 if he's playing well. We're having all these frivolous conversations about the FO and Djokovic is going to waltz to the title with boring ease

 

[Mainad]

Agreed I just would expect Nadal in 4 if he's playing well. We're having all these frivolous conversations about the FO and Djokovic is going to waltz to the title with boring ease

I guess we'll soon see.

 

[Gary Duane]

Agreed I just would expect Nadal in 4 if he's playing well. We're having all these frivolous conversations about the FO and Djokovic is going to waltz to the title with boring ease

Maybe. Novak is statistically NOW about where Wawrinka ended up last year AFTER winning RG. In other words, Wawrinka was way worse before RG. I can't think that his early loss on clay and his troubles last week are going to be of much importance at RG.

Nadal used to win as many games or more than Novak is winning on serve this year, and his return used to be off the chart. As much as I would like to see big improvement this year I just don't see enough so far. The key is still his serve. Can he add a bit more speed and go for spots more? Or will he continue to serve predictably to the backhand side? I can't see him winning against Novak serving as he has been serving. Novak just parks himself on the backhand side and fires back. He isn't going to go on missing converting BPs.