mike danny
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't go that far. His 5 setters last year at the AO were actually quite short. Heck, all 3 of them were shorter than Nadal's match against Schwartzman this year at the AO.
Is Federer playing Dubai at expense of not playing Indian Wells or Miami - a No Brainer for You
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Rosewall was winning slams at 37. I guess the computerized rankings didn't appear yet at that time.
A shame, as Rosewall would be the one holding the record otherwise.
Ain't that right, @thrust?
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I would say that Miami can rot. Except for... have you all seen the new center court?! Wimby's got competition state-side!
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EloQuent
Legend
In the week of Dubai + Acapulco, Nadal is defending more points, 300 to only 45. Federer getting 500 (+455) would give him #1 easy.
But then after, Federer is defending 1000 each week and needs to win + Nadal doing really poorly to increase point difference.
Is that clear enough?
Slightly D1
Professional
Well if he has the guaranteed rest period for the clay stretch I don't see why he couldn't play out all of these tournaments right now.
NuBas
Legend
Yeah, I guess I just don't understanding the point system but I see what you are saying. I made a thread a while back cause I did not really understand how it worked.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/do-atp-ranking-points-reset.579614/
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think the old man should give it a try. The competition will be weak so why not vulture an easy title every once in a while if it is going to benefit your legacy big time?
I mean when was the last time Fed vultured an easy title?
I mean when was the last time Fed vultured an easy title?
EloQuent
Legend
it's based on the last 52 weeks, so one year.
Let's say Player A starts a 500 tournament at 5000 points. Last year he won it. If he doesn't play, he'll have 4500 points the next week. If he plays but only gets 300 points, he'll have 4800.
NuBas
Legend
Thanks that helps, its very interesting how it works, been following tennis but never got into learning about points.
justasport
Professional
Roger's schedule for the remainder of 2018:
Dubai
Indian Wells
Madrid
French open
Halle
Wimbledon
Cincinnati
US Open
Basel
Paris
Masters Cup
Dubai
Indian Wells
Madrid
French open
Halle
Wimbledon
Cincinnati
US Open
Basel
Paris
Masters Cup
Tennease
Legend
He should take a wild card into Acapulco. That way he gets the #1 ranking AND a chance for six in a row against Nadal.
Breaking news, Nadal pulls out of Acapulco after a wildcard was given to a Swiss player.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
I think the old man should give it a try. The competition will be weak so why not vulture an easy title every once in a while if it is going to benefit your legacy big time?
I mean when was the last time Fed vultured an easy title?
Feds legacy is hard to make better than what it is. This no1 thing is a drop in the ocean really except that he could become the oldest no1 in the history. I doubt his 302 weeks at #1 will ever be broken. Djokovic looked like he could challenge it, but he dropped off.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Totally disagree. Being the oldest #1 is literally nothing compared to another slam. He'll become #1 anyway if Nadal fails to defend most of his 4,000 clay points. Who could possibly put a ranking ahead of a slam!?Yep. It's so much bigger than any slam, tbh--especially now that he's got the magic 20.
EloQuent
Legend
Rafa did
ghostofMecir
Legend
Absolute no brainer.
Since he’s probably not playing clay, he’ll have a hard time getting to #1. If he’s not #1, IW and Miami are useless to him. Last year, he wanted to build momentum off the injured 2016 and continue to press his aggressive game with the return of service and neo-backhand.
Now he doesn’t need to do anything but rest until the grass season. His best chance to get to #1 is by playing Dubai or Rotterdam and then play the rest of season preparing for Wimbledon.
After thst, skip Miami and everything until Stuttgart.
Since he’s probably not playing clay, he’ll have a hard time getting to #1. If he’s not #1, IW and Miami are useless to him. Last year, he wanted to build momentum off the injured 2016 and continue to press his aggressive game with the return of service and neo-backhand.
Now he doesn’t need to do anything but rest until the grass season. His best chance to get to #1 is by playing Dubai or Rotterdam and then play the rest of season preparing for Wimbledon.
After thst, skip Miami and everything until Stuttgart.
fedtennisphan
Hall of Fame
You think Nadal retired against Cilic knowing he made it far enough to keep the no. 1 and Federer had to defend the title to even stay in striking distance?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I know that you are jocking, but I wouldn't be surprised, if Nadal pulls out of Acapulco, if Federer enters Dubai.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Recency bias, imho. You obviously bought Sampras' argument that it's all about the slams. Well it is--now. But in 50, or even 20 years' time? (If Fed's GS record is out of reach, the ATP will need another narrative to sell their next, fledgling GOAT to the masses.) Any way you look at it, getting to #1 is a much, much bigger achievement than winning a slam (and ever more so at 36). No way he's going to let that pass, imho. I can definitely see the lure of #20, but #21? That's a case of #20 + #1 >>>>>>> #21, and basic maths be damned, if you ask me.
For the record, unless it's totally out of his reach, I also think he'll go for #1 at 37 (ie some time during the summer/fall) *and* YE #1, too. He won't make it a priority, but if the chance is there, he'll try and take it.
Edit: plus, you seem to imply that playing Dubai would mean missing Wimbledon, whereas is about as far removed from Wimby as can be (yes, Rotterdam would be even better, and I've said so repeatedly), so playing both shouldn't be an issue--like, at all.
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merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
I've got exactly the same, although he may also want to play Shanghai. Otherwise, yep, this just looks perfect to me.
I've got exactly the same, although he may also want to play Shanghai. Otherwise, yep, this just looks perfect to me.
He's not playing Paris Bercy. Ever again.
He doesn't like the surface, and it starts two days after Basel's final.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
LOL! Sorry, did not see that line. Agree, no Bercy ever again. Just replace with Shanghai and it's good.
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Fedforever
Hall of Fame
He won't do any favours for Forget either.....
Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
The current record holder for oldest no. 1 is Agassi at 33 years in 2003 of I'm not mistaken. I just feel that Roger really deserves that record more given what he's achieved in 2017/18 eclipses everything Agassi did in 2002/2003. If he became no. 1 again, he wouldn't just break the record, he'd obliterate it at 36 going on 37. He might never get another shot of his level drops this year.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
He will never get another shot at it, not least because of how the rankings work.
He will need to have another year, where his main rival for that place does better than him, but he himself still has a room to improve the next year, while his opponent remains within a striking distance.
It requires two years in a row where he will play at a very high level, his opponent for that spot doesn't outdo him in both and there are no other contenders.
Very specific set of circumstances.
Playing Dubai in no way harms his chance of another slam.
justasport
Professional
Roger won't miss clay again.
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