Monte Carlo Semis: Rafa vs. Fabio

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Talk Tennis Guru
What do we say to the 12th MC title?

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the prophetic finger :D

PS: can we say the same thing to the ith rome, the jth madrid and the kth RG ? :giggle:
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
I’m currently at Mallorca, Rafas home as you know, and it’s been storming with really unstable weather for the past two days. I feel as if this is most likely connected to his play and current form. I have no science to prove this but....what else could it be?! :eek:

Has Rafa been staying in Mallorca and going back and forth to Monaco?

Petchey on amazon prime has suggested that Rafa’s training since this year’s knee injury hasn’t gone well and this time trying to come back from the one suffered in IW he’s not been able to put in the hours he did compared to last year, when he did not play Acapulco, IW, or Miami and also had the DC matches to prepare on clay.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
Nadal looked diffident and kind of flat right from the get go. Yesterday, when he was up against it initially against Pella, he was still pumped. Today, he was tentative while Fognini came out firing on all cylinders. Fognini was also playing patterns that cramped Nadal and bottled him up, concentrating on an attack into the Nadal cross court forehand. This is counterintuitive but works well against lefties. Lefties are used to running around their backhand against righties that their CC FH often doesn't have the punch of the equivalent rightie shot. And like Djokovic, Fognini always followed it up with thunderous DTLs on both wings. Nadal is always in trouble when somebody does that to him. Where he really lost the plot was with his returning. He returned everything, yes, but rarely put Fognini under any pressure. Fognini was serving just ok and Nadal really should have gone after his serve. Sometimes, even on clay, it doesn't help returning tepidly from just in front of the linespersons.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa out, maybe french open will be more open then ever this year!
Maybe not. Even with a 6-4, 5-0: 40-0 lead, Fognini looked like he was on the verge of choking and Rafa was starting to get his teeth back in the match. Imagine if this was best of 5 and he still needed to win a whole other set.

Rafa looks far from invincible at the moment. But I imagine it will play out very similar to Novak's start of the year. Drops his warm-up tournament to RBA, then looks like he's sleepwalking through Melbourne until the SF. He flipped the switch so hard that I don't think he even lost a point his last 2 matches.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
I knew Fog has a habit of troubling Nadal so thought he had a shot but did not expect him to win that easy, even had a point to bagel him. I really hope he wins the title now, would be a shame of he didn't
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
No. Is this even a serious question?

I was going to take the **** out of the poster who suggested Rafa’s form today was because it was stormy in Mallorca the last two days. But looking at the map it is not that far between Monaco and Mallorca. Flight time is only 45mins if by private plane. Unlikely, he did. Anyway, I think the rookie was just trolling and his suggestion was clearly nonsense.
 
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Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
And he was only 29 then. At nearly 33, it's expected his level will drop, even on clay. You're right: today Rafa did nothing well, except perhaps an adequate ROS, but Fab's serve is awfully weak.
I believe that an important reason why Fabio could not close it before at 5-0 40-0 was that he was not connecting any first serve.
 

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
Maybe not. Even with a 6-4, 5-0: 40-0 lead, Fognini looked like he was on the verge of choking and Rafa was starting to get his teeth back in the match. Imagine if this was best of 5 and he still needed to win a whole other set.

Rafa looks far from invincible at the moment. But I imagine it will play out very similar to Novak's start of the year. Drops his warm-up tournament to RBA, then looks like he's sleepwalking through Melbourne until the SF. He flipped the switch so hard that I don't think he even lost a point his last 2 matches.
:oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Maybe not. Even with a 6-4, 5-0: 40-0 lead, Fognini looked like he was on the verge of choking and Rafa was starting to get his teeth back in the match. Imagine if this was best of 5 and he still needed to win a whole other set.

Rafa looks far from invincible at the moment. But I imagine it will play out very similar to Novak's start of the year. Drops his warm-up tournament to RBA, then looks like he's sleepwalking through Melbourne until the SF. He flipped the switch so hard that I don't think he even lost a point his last 2 matches.

On the contrary I think if it's just for a 2 set lead Fog would have served it out without problems. He was fine all the way until precisely match point when he froze up. I remember something similar when he was giving Murray a drubbing in Rome 17, a slight hiccup before winning.

But Would he regret for not playing mc:unsure:

If Fed played then the draw would have changed and Rafa and Novak might not have been knocked out, Medvedev and Fognini are bad matchups for them when they're playing subpar. Too many ifs and buts in the equation to speculate what will happen if Fed joined.
 

NuBas

Legend
Nadal looked diffident and kind of flat right from the get go. Yesterday, when he was up against it initially against Pella, he was still pumped. Today, he was tentative while Fognini came out firing on all cylinders. Fognini was also playing patterns that cramped Nadal and bottled him up, concentrating on an attack into the Nadal cross court forehand. This is counterintuitive but works well against lefties. Lefties are used to running around their backhand against righties that their CC FH often doesn't have the punch of the equivalent rightie shot. And like Djokovic, Fognini always followed it up with thunderous DTLs on both wings. Nadal is always in trouble when somebody does that to him. Where he really lost the plot was with his returning. He returned everything, yes, but rarely put Fognini under any pressure. Fognini was serving just ok and Nadal really should have gone after his serve. Sometimes, even on clay, it doesn't help returning tepidly from just in front of the linespersons.

Maybe this is solution for Federer to beat Nadal if they meet on clay.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
With Rafa and Nole not on form this week and Thiem being Thiem, this has to go down as a massive missed opportunity for the next gen.
Week after week, next gen looks like they might be getting “oh so close” , only to fall short before the finish line. The only one that has managed a semblance of momentum for a while is Z and look how he’s struggling now. Next gen should be called the “almost there” gen. ;)
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
Rafa having unusual mental breakdows. Yesterday VS Pella, serving to close the match, he was broken to love, with 2 DF e FH (very) unforced errors.

Could it be the wedding? Xisca was all smiles despite his future husband struggling on court.
 
Should have been 6-0 in the second set.

Fognini’s otherwordly ability to take BOTH wings right off the bounce is incredible and when he gets hot and has time to prepare, he hits some of the cleanest, purest FHs AND BHs. If you take the 100 cleanest strokes in this match, 90+ were hit by Fognini.

Now, about Nadal’s play. He looked like a 33 year old, sluggish player. The movement wasn’t good at all and the FH was terrible for his standards. Fognini’s BH and FH were better than Nadal’s FH. How many CC FHs did you see that moved Fog off the court? Where were they? The damper conditions helped Fog as the ball wasn’t hopping, but man did Nadal’s strokes look like garbage. It was stunning really.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Tough match. Nadal wasn't himself today. I think these matches might be more common as he ages. Federer's consistency dropped as he aged and it happens to all athletes. Still, on top form, he's the best clay courter on the planet and beating him in a best of 5 sets match at RG is much harder than in a best of 3 match.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
My current theory is the following

Neither Djokovic nor Nadal make any final ahead of RG.

Then, at RG. Djokovic and Nadal both reach the final without dropping a set
 

natalia

Hall of Fame
"Now is not the time to talk about the hurricane-force winds that ruin the tennis. Just congratulate Fabio on his incredible win. I always suffer more than other players because of the devastating effects of climate change, but I don't like to talk about it, no. As Toni tells me always, I'm not a tennis player. I'm just a victim of global warming who plays tennis."
ROFL

We need a special thread for you, Master @Colin - with a title stg like ‘... and Then Colin Said :’
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
I'd believe it. Same way both waltzed to the AO final despite all the concerns around them in January. Bo5 is just a different beast.
I don't think it's only Bo5. Especially in the case of Djokovic, it's like he's working on his shots in a match, focusing on different things than just to get the timing correct when you really need it come Roland Garros.
 
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