Nadal had the weakest competition out of any player in history

[tennis_pro]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal but I can admit the truth - he was a transitional champion. Each time he won a Slam outside of the FO he was aided by weak draws and Federer/Djokovic being injured or in poor form.

2008 Wimbledon - weak draw and mono Federer with very low confidence due to lack of training in the final
2009 AO - weak draw and Federer with an injured back in the final (back problems at the end of 2008 and withdrew from Dubai after the AO)
2010 US - legendary weak draw and Djokovic who just posted his first top 10 win of the season the day before, was pre-prime and had a very tough match in the SF. Yes, Nadal served great against Youzhny, Lopez and Verdasco.
2013 US - very weak draw and Djokovic in poor form in the final, lost in both Canada/Cincinnati to naps Isner/Robredo and was tired from the long SF against Wawrinka
2017 US - very weak draw and a very weak draw, Anderson nuff said

It pains me to say this but he never beat peak Federer or peak Djokovic in a Slam outside of the FO.

Discuss.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

This thread will not be as long as the other one, because the truth requires less space to shine.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nadal's main rivals were the GOAT and a man with 12 majors of his own. In what world is that "weak?"

 

[kevaninho]

2008 Fed was in fine confidence. You don't get to a W final without dropping a set by having no confidence
Btw you missed out 2010 Wimbledon since you said 'every' slam off of clay.

 

[tennis_pro]

2008 Fed was in fine confidence. You don't get to a W final without dropping a set by having no confidence
Btw you missed out 2010 Wimbledon since you said 'every' slam off of clay.

Yes his win against Berdych in the final was very impressive.

 

[Standaa]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Nadal's main rivals were the GOAT and a man with 12 majors of his own. In what world is that "weak?"

Roland Garros is their worst slam and they were his main competition there.

 

[Slightly D1]

“Federer was a transitional champion who stacked up slams in a weak era of a retiring Agassi and the void left by his generation and immediately plateaued once Nadal and Djokovic completely arrived.”

Quit making horrible excuse posts. It can be spun right back at you.

 

[Eye Test]

Of the big 3, Nadal faced by far the strongest opposition.
He had no weak era to take advantage of like fed/nole did.
If you don't see this youre literally retrded.

 

[tennis_pro]

Of the big 3, Nadal faced by far the strongest opposition.
He had no weak era to take advantage of like fed/nole did.
If you don't see this youre literally retrded.

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[Standaa]

Roland Garros is their worst slam

Nadal was the reason why

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Of the big 3, Nadal faced by far the strongest opposition.
He had no weak era to take advantage of like fed/nole did.
If you don't see this youre literally retrded.

Looks like another failed Eye Test to me.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal but I can admit the truth - he was a transitional champion. Each time he won a Slam outside of the FO he was aided by weak draws and Federer/Djokovic being injured or in poor form.

2008 Wimbledon - weak draw and mono Federer with very low confidence due to lack of training in the final
2009 AO - weak draw and Federer with an injured back in the final (back problems at the end of 2008 and withdrew from Dubai after the AO)
2010 US - legendary weak draw and Djokovic who just posted his first top 10 win of the season the day before, was pre-prime and had a very tough match in the SF. Yes, Nadal served great against Youzhny, Lopez and Verdasco.
2013 US - very weak draw and Djokovic in poor form in the final, lost in both Canada/Cincinnati to naps Isner/Robredo and was tired from the long SF against Wawrinka
2017 US - very weak draw and a very weak draw, Anderson nuff said

It pains me to say this but he never beat peak Federer or peak Djokovic in a Slam outside of the FO.

Discuss.

Nadal has played in one of the toughest eras of all time, against two legends in Federer and Djokovic, plus other great players such as Murray. OP, I know this is just Eye for an Eye thread to the one the Fedal fan posted. Not needed, we know how flawed his statement was.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Nadal was the reason why

In Djokovic's best seasons (2011 and 2015) he lost to someone other than RAFA.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

As a Zverev and Thiem fan, I agree.

 

[Plamen1234]

Nadal's main rivals were the GOAT and a man with 12 majors of his own. In what world is that "weak?"

A lot of Nadal fans should agree with this thread if we follow their logic.A lot of Nadal fans for years have been calling Federer "weak era champion" and they still continue to do it.So if they think Federer is "weak era champion" this means Nadal competition was weak also right.Following some Nadal fans logic.

 

[MichaelNadal]

 

[Tennisgods]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal but I can admit the truth - he was a transitional champion. Each time he won a Slam outside of the FO he was aided by weak draws and Federer/Djokovic being injured or in poor form.

2008 Wimbledon - weak draw and mono Federer with very low confidence due to lack of training in the final
2009 AO - weak draw and Federer with an injured back in the final (back problems at the end of 2008 and withdrew from Dubai after the AO)
2010 US - legendary weak draw and Djokovic who just posted his first top 10 win of the season the day before, was pre-prime and had a very tough match in the SF. Yes, Nadal served great against Youzhny, Lopez and Verdasco.
2013 US - very weak draw and Djokovic in poor form in the final, lost in both Canada/Cincinnati to naps Isner/Robredo and was tired from the long SF against Wawrinka
2017 US - very weak draw and a very weak draw, Anderson nuff said

It pains me to say this but he never beat peak Federer or peak Djokovic in a Slam outside of the FO.

Discuss.

Fair’s fair, I’ve been busy sticking it to the VB’s lately for the stupid things they’re saying, so it’s only right that I tell you this thread is bull.

 

[mike danny]

2008 Fed was in fine confidence. You don't get to a W final without dropping a set by having no confidence
Btw you missed out 2010 Wimbledon since you said 'every' slam off of clay.

Your lack of tennis knowledge has been exposed.

Federer is not Nadal who needs super confidence to beat even the journeymen

 

[mike danny]

“Federer was a transitional champion who stacked up slams in a weak era of a retiring Agassi and the void left by his generation and immediately plateaued once Nadal and Djokovic completely arrived.”

Quit making horrible excuse posts. It can be spun right back at you.

You guys are the ones wro write **** posts. Be quiet.

 

[mike danny]

Of the big 3, Nadal faced by far the strongest opposition.
He had no weak era to take advantage of like fed/nole did.
If you don't see this youre literally retrded.

Those who say Nadal has had it harder, look at these numbers:

Top 10 wins at:

AO:

Nadal -> 7 wins
Federer -> 22 wins.

Federer has 8 top 10 wins in AO events that he hasn't won, which is still more than Rafa.

Wimb:

Nadal -> 5 wins
Federer -> 16 wins.

USO:

Nadal -> 5 wins
Federer -> 16 wins.

If you add all of Nadal's top 10 wins from all the non-clay slams, you get 17 top 10 wins in total. Federer almost has as many at Wimb and the USO each one individually, while he has more at the AO alone.

Even if you factor in only the ages 22-31 for both guys, Federer still comes out on top decisively.

AO:

Nadal -> 7 wins
Federer -> 13 wins

Wimb:

Nadal -> 5 wins
Federer -> 11 wins

USO:

Nadal -> 5 wins
Federer -> 15 wins

Nadal having it tougher than Fed is nothing but a myth.

 

[mike danny]

Nadal was the reason why

Can't have it both ways. Can't say Fed had weak competition and Nadal didn't on clay.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat08]

What a bad attempt at trolling

 

[Standaa]

Can't have it both ways. Can't say Fed had weak competition and Nadal didn't on clay.

You sure you’re talking to the right person?

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal but I can admit the truth - he was a transitional champion. Each time he won a Slam outside of the FO he was aided by weak draws and Federer/Djokovic being injured or in poor form.

2008 Wimbledon - weak draw and mono Federer with very low confidence due to lack of training in the final
2009 AO - weak draw and Federer with an injured back in the final (back problems at the end of 2008 and withdrew from Dubai after the AO)
2010 US - legendary weak draw and Djokovic who just posted his first top 10 win of the season the day before, was pre-prime and had a very tough match in the SF. Yes, Nadal served great against Youzhny, Lopez and Verdasco.
2013 US - very weak draw and Djokovic in poor form in the final, lost in both Canada/Cincinnati to naps Isner/Robredo and was tired from the long SF against Wawrinka
2017 US - very weak draw and a very weak draw, Anderson nuff said

It pains me to say this but he never beat peak Federer or peak Djokovic in a Slam outside of the FO.

Discuss.

Congratulations, a very long post with 100 % of the content being wrong especially the first sentence.

 

[Slightly D1]

You guys are the ones wro write **** posts. Be quiet.

You couldn’t contradict what I said though? Instead of making these echo chamber posts out of fear of Nadal reaching and/or surpassing 20 (or Fed’s final total) why not just sit back and watch tennis instead of doing these ridiculous mental gymnastics to desperately push another player down? Is it really driving you so crazy that Nadal still has a legitimate shot at overtaking him?

 

[Rafa's OCD]

his FO '18 draw looks like what would happen if his camp wrote it, not something, you know, drawn randomly.

 

[mike danny]

You couldn’t contradict what I said though? Instead of making these echo chamber posts out of fear of Nadal reaching and/or surpassing 20 (or Fed’s final total) why not just sit back and watch tennis instead of doing these ridiculous mental gymnastics to desperately push another player down? Is it really driving you so crazy that Nadal still has a legitimate shot at overtaking him?

I'm not the one who started an idiotic thread. One of the persons from your fanbase did that and you didn't have one problem with it

So don't tell me what to do.

 

[mike danny]

You couldn’t contradict what I said though? Instead of making these echo chamber posts out of fear of Nadal reaching and/or surpassing 20 (or Fed’s final total) why not just sit back and watch tennis instead of doing these ridiculous mental gymnastics to desperately push another player down? Is it really driving you so crazy that Nadal still has a legitimate shot at overtaking him?

I can contradict all of what you said but I won't bother since it was an idiotic post anyway and I'm tired of rehashing the same ideas to the same narrow-minded people.

 

[Slightly D1]

I can contradict all of what you said but I won't bother since it was an idiotic post anyway and I'm tired of rehashing the same ideas to the same narrow-minded people.

I feel bad for the mentally inept such as you.

 

[Tennisanity]

Nadal's main rivals were the GOAT and a man with 12 majors of his own. In what world is that "weak?"

That's like saying Djokovic is better than Nadal at the FO because he beat him at FO 2015 in straights.

 

[kevaninho]

Your lack of tennis knowledge has been exposed.

Federer is not Nadal who needs super confidence to beat even the journeymen

Exactly, then why state that Feds confidence was low in 08 ? LOL That's not how Feds game works. He was simply beaten by the better player on the day, as usually happens in tennis.

 

[fundrazer]

Some of you got trolled pretty badly.

 

[ATPtennisFan]

Well said.

Nadals formula for his entire career has been build his ranking playing everything on clay and waiting to pounce on his usual weak draws to win his slams off clay.

 

[tennisaddict]

Rafa is a f..in oportunist cunning jackal to pounce when the lions are nursing an injury

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Congratulations, a very long post with 100 % of the content being wrong especially the first sentence.

Could you elaborate?

 

[mike danny]

I feel bad for the mentally inept such as you.

I feel bad for the narrowly-minded and idiotic people such as you.

 

[Sport]

As a Nadal and Federer fan, I think Wimbledon 2008 was amazing.

 

[REKX]

Look at the field during 2003-2008, very weak. Philipousis, Roddick, Agassi, (old) Keurten, Henman, Schuller, Fish were all in the top 20.

In 2010 it was Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling (amazing form during that time), Roddick, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Verdasco, Tosonga etc were top 20.

The 2010 completely mops the floor with the 2003 field, how can anyone possibly argue that the 2003 field was stronger is beyond me. They must be deluded because I don't know.

 

[mike danny]

Look at the field during 2003-2008, very weak. Philipousis, Roddick, Agassi, (old) Keurten, Henman, Schuller, Fish were all in the top 20.

In 2010 it was Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling (amazing form during that time), Roddick, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Verdasco, Tosonga etc were top 20.

The 2010 completely mops the floor with the 2003 field, how can anyone possibly argue that the 2003 field was stronger is beyond me. They must be deluded because I don't know.

You are deluded if you believe the 2010 field was strong.

 

[tennis_pro]

Look at the field during 2003-2008, very weak. Philipousis, Roddick, Agassi, (old) Keurten, Henman, Schuller, Fish were all in the top 20.

Monaco was in the top 10 in 2011. Please elaborate.

In 2010 it was Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling (amazing form during that time), Roddick, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Verdasco, Tosonga etc were top 20.
The 2010 completely mops the floor with the 2003 field, how can anyone possibly argue that the 2003 field was stronger is beyond me. They must be deluded because I don't know.

I don't remember Federer dominating 2003.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Look at the field during 2003-2008, very weak. Philipousis, Roddick, Agassi, (old) Keurten, Henman, Schuller, Fish were all in the top 20.

In 2010 it was Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling (amazing form during that time), Roddick, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Verdasco, Tosonga etc were top 20.

The 2010 completely mops the floor with the 2003 field, how can anyone possibly argue that the 2003 field was stronger is beyond me. They must be deluded because I don't know.

Yeah, look at you: starting threads about weak/strong oppositions, and couldn't even get half of the names of the players right.

Noone could possibly argue with ignorant people.

 

[Sport]

I am a huge fan of the Nadal but I can admit the truth
2008 Wimbledon - mono Federer
2013 US - Djokovic in poor form in the final
It pains me to say this but he never beat peak Federer or peak Djokovic in a Slam outside of the FO.

I am a huge fan of Federer and Michael Jackson but I can accept the truth.

Wimbledon 2008: According to this New York Times' article doctors said Federer was recovered from the adverse effects of mononucleosis as soon as late February. He received medical clearance to play normally the 27th of February 2008. Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/sports/07iht-arena.3.10811374.html?pagewanted=all

Federer arrived to the Wimbledon final in July (more than 4 months after the medical clearance). Federer was moving perfectly in Wimbledon 2008, and he arrived to the final without losing any set. He was 26 and didn't look less fast than in 2007. So he was at his peak. Even the 2007 final was kinda close, Nadal had 4 break points in the 5th set. 26 years old Roger was 100% healthy and at his peak in the 2008 Wimbledon final.

Australian Open 2009: healthy Federer who was only 27 years old, peak version. 4 out of 4 GS finals for 2009 Federer. 2009 Federer arrived to the Australian Open final (lost to Nadal), won the French Open, won Wimbledon against an inspired Roddick, and arrived to the US Open final (lost to peak Del Potro).

US Open 2013: 26 years old peak and healthy Djokovic. Djokovic's 2013 could have been one of his best years if not for Nadal. If not for Nadal, Djokovic could have won 3 GS + the WTF in 2013. He still had a good year by winning Australian Open and WTF, but lost to Nadal at the French Open and US Open.

 

[Djorau]

You are deluded if you believe the 2010 field was strong.

Soderling, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Tsonga > Paper Tiger Tim Henman, Phillippoussis, Schuttler, Fish.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Soderling, Berdych, Cilic, Ferrer, Tsonga > Paper Tiger Tim Henman, Phillippoussis, Schutter, Fish.

Lol

You continue to make the same mistakes.

 

[Djorau]

Lol

You continue to make the same mistakes.

Corrected

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Corrected

Still not correct.

Jesus.

Doesn’t It bother you to use two accounts so openly, AND fail massively like that?

 

[Sudacafan]

As a Zverev and Thiem fan, I agree.

Traitor!!!

 

[Backspin1183]

Only if you consider Federer a weak competition for Nadal.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Monaco was in the top 10 in 2011. Please elaborate.

And Mardy Fish.