J011yroger
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New Volkl/Becker stuff for '08'
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Extended length racquets?
BounceHitBounceHit
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J011yroger
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Ah, yes. But recall that it came down to the K90 or DNX 10 mid for me my friend.CC
My reccollection must be getting fuzzy in my old age, I remember there being quite a few more frames in the mix.
J
BounceHitBounceHit
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No way, I wouldn't think the SW would be that high, 320 is my guess
J
Can't a man dream Jo11y?
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Volkl actually has 4 diff pallets. all of the Becker pallets are the same. they are slightly different than the Volkl DNX pallets. yes, thicker beam widths are often stiffer racquets and can be more powerful.
Ah, yes. But recall that it came down to the K90 or DNX 10 mid for me my friend.
sorry Craig....wasnt my turn to watch you and dont remember your sordid racquet history
i dont think the dnx10Mid is like the k90 at all and assume the becker11Mid wont be either, but havent hit one yet.
think the Becker11Mid will be a 325 swingweight frame...no longer contains glass and a slightly thicker beam and more dnx material, so assume it will be comfortable as usual but a little firmer.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Yes, yes. That IS true. But when push came to shove......alright, alright!! I loved them all!! I did!!! Say what you will, I did! I do!!!!
CC
J011yroger
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Yes, yes. That IS true. But when push came to shove......alright, alright!! I loved them all!! I did!!! Say what you will, I did! I do!!!!
OK Julio.
J
BounceHitBounceHit
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sorry Craig....wasnt my turn to watch you and dont remember your sordid racquet history
i dont think the dnx10Mid is like the k90 at all and assume the becker11Mid wont be either, but havent hit one yet.
think the Becker11Mid will be a 325 swingweight frame...no longer contains glass and a slightly thicker beam and more dnx material, so assume it will be comfortable as usual but a little firmer.
Quite alright. I understand. There have been a few times I strayed.
All my K90's are almost spot on spec (to the gram, literally) and Bolt carefully measured the SW at 331. I think something with a bit lower SW might be good.
CC
J011yroger
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Quite alright. I understand. There have been a few times I strayed.
All my K90's are almost spot on spec (to the gram, literally) and Bolt carefully measured the SW at 331. I think something with a bit lower SW might be good.
CC
All my K90s are at Thomas Martinez's house.
J
Quite alright. I understand. There have been a few times I strayed.
All my K90's are almost spot on spec (to the gram, literally) and Bolt carefully measured the SW at 331. I think something with a bit lower SW might be good.
CC
my memory is a little fuzzy as i said, but thought you are using the Asian k90..thought I read that in USA Today. is that not different than the regular one? I know the Becker11Light differs significantly from the regular Becker11...the composition and weight distribution is different in additon to the weight and cosmetics of course.
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BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Getting matched, I take it?? CC
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
I was using the AK90 with a 'polarized' set up, but went back to the US K90 about a month or so ago. The two play VERY similiarly, as I had customized my AK90's to 12.3 oz, 5 pts HL and 331 SW.
Best,
CC
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Yessir, 1/15 is my first tourney of 08, and I will have made the switch by then.
J
Becker11 Light Update
Thought to update my experiences with the Becker11Light now that I've got a few months in with it. It would be nice to not get slammed merely because I think this is a great racquet with a lot of appeal...a racquet that i happily play and being very particular about my gear.
I've got mine leaded up to a little less than 315swingweight, Volkl calfskin, and the Mojo setup at 55/60. It's a little more headlight than stock.
In a perfect world, I would be swinging the B11Standard, but it prooved to be just a little too much for my 5.0 level of play. specifically getting what I needed to get out of my 2nd serves. I put more energy into my 2nds than 1sts
The b11 is a very solid frame for something only weighing 295 grams. It obviously responds well to lead as I am very novice at leading other than to slap some lead around the grip collar cuff of certain frames. I was prepared to send mine off to someone who knows what they are doing if my lead experiment failed..it didnt.
My strategy with this frame and strings is to open up the court using spin creating angles rather than hitting through the court. I can also get my usual compliment of aces and non returnables on the har tru playing people of my level and can also flatten it out which results in a very lively fast ball. it's got very good ball feel and is quite comfortable....a bit firmer for a thin beamed frame, and i am hitting over on more backhands now because of the ease of swinging this fast. return of serves require blocks/chips with higher batspeed, but i can hit out on more returns. volleys like a dream for a light frame. this frame doesnt suffer from the flimsy hoop syndrome common to light weight thin beamed headlight frames. the racquet is low powered so you need to swing it fast to create ball speed. sliced backhands do suprisingly well for me as far as piercing the court for such a lightweight racquet (this is impt to me as the sliced backhand is a mainstay for me)...and also a way for me to get to net which is where i want to be altho not very possible to get there these days. crossoverstep, sliced backhand, with the body weight carrying you into the net...very old school. to pull this off, the slice has to stay low, skid, and pierce the court
I could go on...i think this frame is very overlooked around here as it has much more appeal than many of the more popular frames. i'll hit all the new Volkls and some other stuff but have no plans of changing in 08. once i get my main squeeze, i like to squeeze her for 5 years if possible. When you get older I think you need to evaluate more often however. Closest upcoming frame for me might be the BeckerPro, but for some reason i've never warmed up to a 16x18 stringbed. hope this helps someone, and best of the New Year to the reasonable TW posters
Thought to update my experiences with the Becker11Light now that I've got a few months in with it. It would be nice to not get slammed merely because I think this is a great racquet with a lot of appeal...a racquet that i happily play and being very particular about my gear.
I've got mine leaded up to a little less than 315swingweight, Volkl calfskin, and the Mojo setup at 55/60. It's a little more headlight than stock.
In a perfect world, I would be swinging the B11Standard, but it prooved to be just a little too much for my 5.0 level of play. specifically getting what I needed to get out of my 2nd serves. I put more energy into my 2nds than 1sts
The b11 is a very solid frame for something only weighing 295 grams. It obviously responds well to lead as I am very novice at leading other than to slap some lead around the grip collar cuff of certain frames. I was prepared to send mine off to someone who knows what they are doing if my lead experiment failed..it didnt.
My strategy with this frame and strings is to open up the court using spin creating angles rather than hitting through the court. I can also get my usual compliment of aces and non returnables on the har tru playing people of my level and can also flatten it out which results in a very lively fast ball. it's got very good ball feel and is quite comfortable....a bit firmer for a thin beamed frame, and i am hitting over on more backhands now because of the ease of swinging this fast. return of serves require blocks/chips with higher batspeed, but i can hit out on more returns. volleys like a dream for a light frame. this frame doesnt suffer from the flimsy hoop syndrome common to light weight thin beamed headlight frames. the racquet is low powered so you need to swing it fast to create ball speed. sliced backhands do suprisingly well for me as far as piercing the court for such a lightweight racquet (this is impt to me as the sliced backhand is a mainstay for me)...and also a way for me to get to net which is where i want to be altho not very possible to get there these days. crossoverstep, sliced backhand, with the body weight carrying you into the net...very old school. to pull this off, the slice has to stay low, skid, and pierce the court
I could go on...i think this frame is very overlooked around here as it has much more appeal than many of the more popular frames. i'll hit all the new Volkls and some other stuff but have no plans of changing in 08. once i get my main squeeze, i like to squeeze her for 5 years if possible. When you get older I think you need to evaluate more often however. Closest upcoming frame for me might be the BeckerPro, but for some reason i've never warmed up to a 16x18 stringbed. hope this helps someone, and best of the New Year to the reasonable TW posters
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robkat
Semi-Pro
Becker 11 Light
Mojo, Thanks for the update on The Becker 11 Light.; I have one coming this week for a demo. The backhand slice, then following it to the net with the B11L seems like what I like to do with my MFIL 200 16x19s. I also have a Becker V1 MP coming as well. The B11L is a racquet I have some interest in because I find myself not being able to swing the high static weight and high SW frames any more with any efficiency. Especially now, moving down South and playing on soft courts, I'm not able to get those penetrating shots I was hitting on Hard courts. Thanks for the the info and all the information you have shared. Happy New Year !
Mojo, Thanks for the update on The Becker 11 Light.; I have one coming this week for a demo. The backhand slice, then following it to the net with the B11L seems like what I like to do with my MFIL 200 16x19s. I also have a Becker V1 MP coming as well. The B11L is a racquet I have some interest in because I find myself not being able to swing the high static weight and high SW frames any more with any efficiency. Especially now, moving down South and playing on soft courts, I'm not able to get those penetrating shots I was hitting on Hard courts. Thanks for the the info and all the information you have shared. Happy New Year !
thanks! happy new year to you as well. the ball def doesnt go through the court on clay like it does on hard....you gotta really go after it. hard is a lot easier, but lots harder on the body...so i've come to really appreciate the dirt. the best racquets to hit balls that penetrate are heavier ones, but if you cant swing them fast enough, you are far better off going lighter
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Mojo, do you find that the lighter racquets are more effected when the dirt is freshly watered and the balls get very heavy? Or is it about the same as how they feel on a heavier frame?
Happy New Year Buddy.
J
Happy New Year Buddy.
J
TourTenor
Professional
BB11 mid
I'll be disappointed if the BB11mid has the same swingweight as the DNX10 mid (325 SW). If they took it down a notch (315-318 SW) I could swing it up to my optimum for three hours at a time. I think it would then be in your desired SW range, as well. The other specs sound good. Hope this stick will have a large sweetspot similar to the DNX10 mid.
have a great new year,
TTen
NBMJ,
I'll be disappointed if the BB11mid has the same swingweight as the DNX10 mid (325 SW). If they took it down a notch (315-318 SW) I could swing it up to my optimum for three hours at a time. I think it would then be in your desired SW range, as well. The other specs sound good. Hope this stick will have a large sweetspot similar to the DNX10 mid.
have a great new year,
TTen
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
^^^ If you want a lower SW and bigger Sweetspot isn't that why they make the 11 standard?
J
J
sargeinaz
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thanks J-Man and to you as well. Here I am buzzed after a good hit and happy hour and in for the night...do i know how to have fun or what??? I do this most every New Years Eve...best to have an early night otherwise it is like a 5.0 playing a 3.5.
To answer your Q, i look at every session as adjusting to something. the dirt plays differently each time. ditto for gut strings...some days I am better rested, every once in a while i am hungover, so i adapt..i show up with 3 frames..2 Mojo setups at the same tension in diff stages of disrepair, and one Klip Excelleraor and like to think I am a good enough player to deal with whatever the Tennis Gods presented me with that day..if i was on tour or something, i would look at it differently
dont think it can be done and still create a great racquet..there is a limit to what you can do with the physics.
exactly..these are advanced players frames or frames for people who think they are advanced players. so it is crazy to create many diff frames for advanced players when there arent so many of them...the market is elsewhere...a B11Mid, Standard, Light, and Special Edition covers the whole abba dabba of frames for better players..to have more of them is just nuts
TourTenor
Professional
JollyR ...
Yeah, the BB11Standard looks like it meets most of my specs and is on my demo list but I always seem to gravitate towards the 16X19 frames.
NoBMJ ...
You may be right about the need to limit the number of players racquets but if the BB11 Standard meets most of my specs, I don't think it is out of line to think that a 16X19 version with the same SW is alot to ask.
Also, since the BB11Mid is so near the DNX10mid specs, it appears to be more of the same (despite different use of the DNX material). DNX10mid players will have little reason to try the new BB11mid. If it was marketed with a slightly lower SW, slightly more powerful (20mm beam width) and better feel (placement of DNX), that might be enough to get some of the current mid users to try it while attracting the players that aren't so young anymore that can still put some excellent strokes on the ball (including the aging teaching pros).
I also realize that having a racquet meet my exact specifications might only be done by some lead and balance work. Till now I have relied on the stock setups. However, since the BB11 standard is so close to what I want, I will give it some demo time.
cheers
understand...as i said, i think the B11Mid will prove to be a improvement over the dnx10Mid in a similar way to how the b11 Standard is an improvement over the dnx10mp. in the case of a midsized frame, there is absolutely zero reason to make more than one of them even if the specs slightly differ. thjey've determined the best dynamics for a frame like this and came up with the weight, balance, composition, swingweight, etc that works best..it wasnt by accident. to make a mid lighter creates inherent problems....problems like an even smaller sweetzone, lame in the hoop, not enough juice, and etc
i too wish for a Gen2 with more juice. the answer i get from Volkl is to lead up a b11Light and thats what i've done and it really does fit the bill. the b11 Light has a 305 swingweight. when you put leather on it and the Mojo setup, you would be up around 309..doesnt take much lead to get it to 315
Doc Hollidae
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NBMJ,
Which leather grips do you use? I've been thinking about trying Volkls, but heard they're the heaviest and thickest. Not wanting to alter my stock specs too much, I was curious if the weight is noticable.
Which leather grips do you use? I've been thinking about trying Volkls, but heard they're the heaviest and thickest. Not wanting to alter my stock specs too much, I was curious if the weight is noticable.
Automatix
Legend
Doc I know this question wasn't towards me but if you don't want to alter your specs too much than you can forget about Volkl leather... it is great to make a racquet more head light and to round the grip a little.
From what I tried Pacific and Babolat are quite thin and light...
From what I tried Pacific and Babolat are quite thin and light...
Doc Hollidae
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.
I use the Volkl Calfskins. They are more substantial, but that little extra weight down that low really isnt noticeable from a swingweight aspect...but it is from a balance standpoint. I bet <depending on the grip>, leather will only change the swingweight by a couple of points...as far as rounding the grip a little, i dont feel that..the bevels are really enhanced. you can also reduce or increase the gripsize slightly by how tightly you wrap the grip
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TourTenor
Professional
NoBMJ,
I understand your point about only making one mid and being sure it has the best combination of features. I will check out the new BB11 mid to see how it stacks up against my DNX10mid. I'll also try out the BB11Standard before I try any customizing.
Glad your modified BB11Light is working well. And, look forward to your playtest of the new mid.
Doc Hollidae
Hall of Fame
Sorry to hijack the thread, but how much lead would it take to counterbalance the Volkl leather?
NoBMJ,
I understand your point about only making one mid and being sure it has the best combination of features. I will check out the new BB11 mid to see how it stacks up against my DNX10mid. I'll also try out the BB11Standard before I try any customizing.
Glad your modified BB11Light is working well. And, look forward to your playtest of the new mid.
sure..those are all nice frames. good luck!
you're asking the wrong guy here. I go by feel rather than measurement, and really dont have much expertise with lead.
Doc Hollidae
Hall of Fame
Ah, sounds like I'm kinda like you. More about feel than the specs. I just figure it'd be easiest to have a general guideline that way I don't spend too much time messing around with things.
I'll give it all a try though. No harm in trying.
robkat
Semi-Pro
Just received my Becker V1 Mp this afternoon. Like with all racquets I receive the first thing I do is weigh them. The Listed strung weight for the Becker V1 MP here are on TW is 312g. My Becker V1 MP weighs 295g strung with NRG2. That seems like a big difference to me. My target strung weight is 315g and the Becker V1 Mp at 315g was looking real good. I read I thought in this thread although, I couldn't find it, that another poster received his/her Becker V1 MP and his/her strung weight was also 295g. So I wonder if TWs specs are off or did I receive a frame that appears, not knowing what the OC spec limits are, outside the QC boundries.
robkat
Semi-Pro
I'm just looking at the frame and on the frame itself it's listed weight is 285G which I presume to be the unstrung weight. So a strung weight of 295g would be appropriate. TW's listed spec must be off.
According to the folks at **** on average a leather grip is 10g heavier than a synthetic grip.....
according to my expereice they are about right. I put leather on my dnx10 mids. They added roughly 10g to the weight. I used the TW leather grips which are quite nice.
bagung
Hall of Fame
i have 6 dnx-10 mid, some came originally in size 2 and size 4. the weight of the 6 mids range from 330-333g unstrung. after changing all the pallets to size 4, all the racquets are in the range of 331-333g. which is acceptable for me.....
with different strings set up,head-tape and overgrip, the strung weight is in the range of 347-352g....
with different strings set up,head-tape and overgrip, the strung weight is in the range of 347-352g....
bagung
Hall of Fame
the leather i tried such as TW,babolat, wilson, pacific, they are about 11-14,5g heavier than the original grip of dnx mid... i have to put the orig grip back on, as the extra 11g+ is to heavy for me...
My Becker V1 MP with string, overgrip, and the Becker dampener weighs 309 grams. Grip size 4 5/8.
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robkat
Semi-Pro
Mine with an over grip weighs 299g. No dampener, grip size is 4 1/2
robkat
Semi-Pro
Just installed the Becker dampener and it brings it up to 304g
robkat
Semi-Pro
I think my question is why does TW have 312g (strung) and the frame as well as the BB website list the frame as 285g, which I presume to be unstrung. A difference of 27g, almost an once, to account for the difference between strung and unstrung.
I've added some lead around the collar, an over grip and the Becker dampener, so I have it at 309g now. that will work !
I've added some lead around the collar, an over grip and the Becker dampener, so I have it at 309g now. that will work !
Nice, very nice! I hope you like it. What string/tension you have in your Becker V1 right now?
Mojo, I'd appreciate it if you could compare your Becker 11 Light to the trimmed-bumper T10 Gen1 MP. I've read around that the BB11 Light is a bit harsher than the T10 Gen1 despite the similar stiffness ratings.
My slice is a bit floaty with the T10 Gen1, but that's the only fault I can find with the racquet.
My slice is a bit floaty with the T10 Gen1, but that's the only fault I can find with the racquet.
robkat
Semi-Pro
To start out with, I have strung it with NRG17 @ 57
I got mine strung with Multifeel 17 @ 54. I haven't spent a whole lot of time with it because I have too many rackets but I have used it couple times and I like it on the serves, forehands. It will take me time to adjust to it on the backhand side as it is thicker than the "traditional", thin-beamed frames I have been using.
^^^I fully agree!! Some of the TW's spec discrepancies are laughable. What idiot(s) are running the scales?
