No such things as 5 or higher rated in NTRP!

AceofBase

Rookie
Do you guy think its make any different in the NTRP compare with 4.5 and a 5 or higher? To me i dont care what rate im in, but if i was to rated myself i would probably be in the 4.5 or higher. The reason why i say this is cause week ago i was playing with a stranger and we played a best out of 3 games and i beat him 3-2 and at the end he say i played good and told me that he was a professional coach and been playing every since he was 7. Then i ask him if he string racket and he say yes and gave me his business card that he was working for a club if kinda back up his point. Who would know if we played a real match to see who will win. I have been self taugh and been playing 4 years now. Also there's a post in here's asking to see a 5 NTRP rated forward hand stroke? i say there's no such thing as that cause compare Nadal with Feder forward hand and see which one is in the higher mark? A 7 rated just dont make any different just cause you play in tornument or pro or something like that to a 4.5 or a 5. How about this compare Nadal skill with Feder skill, who would you rated higher?
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
What?? The post is not very legible so nobody can answer your question and yes people can be rated above 5.0.
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
You need to go out and watch an Open level tourney, or watch a Division I college team practice, and then come back. The difference between 3.5 and 4.0 isn't great, but the difference between 4.5 and 5.0 is much bigger, and 5.0 and pro is the Grand Canyon.
 

AceofBase

Rookie
What i mean is what the point of having 7 instead of stopping at 4 or 5 rated. I mean just because you go college or go tournment doesnt necessary mean that your 7 or higher. What i think they should just end it at 5, cause 6 and 7 dont nessecary are needed, cause at the NTRP 5 its exlpain its all about skill that are nessecary needed. Well if you dont get it than i should close this thread up!
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
I understand it, and to some degree I agree with you (after 5.0, your record and ranking should speak for itself), but it is useful as an illustrative device even after 5.0.

A 6.0 should have somewhat more refined strokes than a 5.0, all things being equal.
 

moonshine

New User
Well, in a way the NTRP ratings are useless after 5.0. To my knowledge, there are no 5.5 level tournaments. There may be a 5.5 level for USTA teams, but most people at that level are playing Open or age division only. I think the ratings descriptions are there only to describe the general differences between a 5.5 (competitive college player) and true professionals (challenger level to world class.) I don't know of anyone who plays at that level who would know how to rate themselves; they'd tell you their ranking or the ATP/ITF tournaments they've played.
 

goober

Legend
Well, in a way the NTRP ratings are useless after 5.0. To my knowledge, there are no 5.5 level tournaments. There may be a 5.5 level for USTA teams, but most people at that level are playing Open or age division only. I think the ratings descriptions are there only to describe the general differences between a 5.5 (competitive college player) and true professionals (challenger level to world class.) I don't know of anyone who plays at that level who would know how to rate themselves; they'd tell you their ranking or the ATP/ITF tournaments they've played.


There are 5.5 tourneys in California that are seperate from Opens.

BTW to the OP beating a guy who calls himself a coach 3-2 is pretty meaningless. I have beaten guys that call themselves coaches 6-3, 6-0. I wouldn't base my rating on that.
 

Eviscerator

Banned
To me i dont care what rate im in, but if i was to rated myself i would probably be in the 4.5 or higher.
I have been self taugh and been playing 4 years now.

your 7 or higher

Ok, I am going to try and help clear things up for you.

First, and I mean no personal offense by this, but if you have only been playing 4 years and are self taught, there is no way you are a 4.5 or higher player. At best even good athletes that are self taught are around 3.5 to 4.0
To improve beyond that, you would need lessons and a lot of hard work. Remember, many 4.5 and above players grew up playing tennis, taking lessons, and competing in high school.

Second, there are in fact 5.5 men's leagues, and 5.5 NTRP rated tourneys, though they are rare. Players at that level were at least a top high school player who went on to play college tennis. A true 5.5 was most likely a Div I or at least a Div II player.

As to the 7.0 rating, it does not really matter to a professional whether they are 6.0-7.0, it is just a way of defining differences between great college players, those on the challenger circuit, and the top level pro.

BTW- the top rating is 7.0, there is nothing higher.
 

raiden031

Legend
Well none of the NTRP levels, even those below 5.0, are mapped to specific skills. It is completely divided among match results. Given that most people cannot accurately self-rate without playing against people who they know have an accurate rating, I'd say the NTRP level descriptions are useless.

Except when it comes to things like college and tournament rankings, NTRP divisions are pretty arbitrary.
 

randomname

Professional
ok, first off, be nice, english obviously isnt this guy's first language. and second, I think the point hes trying to make is that hes says there isnt much difference in skill above the 5.0 rating, which is 100% untrue
 

tbini87

Hall of Fame
he doesn't know what he was talking about. i also love when people play some stranger who throws out some rediculously high rating that they "have". it happens all the time, and is annoying that people just believe them and say wow i just beat a 4.5 player...
 

Capt. Willie

Hall of Fame
ok, first off, be nice, english obviously isnt this guy's first language. and second, I think the point hes trying to make is that hes says there isnt much difference in skill above the 5.0 rating, which is 100% untrue


He is listed as being from "Morganton, NC". So there is a good chance that English is indeed his first language. If he were from some other country I certainly would not have wrote that. My problem is that I needed to read the OP three times to try to even begin to understand what he was driving at.
 
He is listed as being from "Morganton, NC". So there is a good chance that English is indeed his first language. If he were from some other country I certainly would not have wrote that. My problem is that I needed to read the OP three times to try to even begin to understand what he was driving at.

Well, his name is Ace of Base, so clearly he is Swedish.
 
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