Open letter to Federer about Kyrgios

Slimerer

Slimerer

Rookie
sureshs said:
You can draw your own conclusions. Bill Simons already asked why no suspension and hinted that money is the reason.

Your question is also non-sensical as it assumes a false dichotomy. The ATP can respect the game and umpires by doing a lot, and also not suspend players if they think it is going to hurt the popularity of the game. What they have done is impose a token fine to show that they are taking action, and then letting him go along as usual. An immediate 6-month suspension was in order.
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How is a 6 month suspension in order? Look at precedent. Agassi was only given a point penalty at 1990 USO after he spit in the chair umpire's direction and called him a "son of a b****". How is that any different from what Kyrgios did besides the racket smashing? And surely you don't think racket smashing warrants a 6 month suspension. Nalbandian actually caused an official to be injured at Queens 2012 and he received a match default, no suspension. You're blinded by your dislike of Kyrgios.
 
S

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Slimerer said:
How is a 6 month suspension in order? Look at precedent. Agassi was only given a point penalty at 1990 USO after he spit in the chair umpire's direction and called him a "son of a b****". How is that any different from what Kyrgios did besides the racket smashing? And surely you don't think racket smashing warrants a 6 month suspension. Nalbandian actually caused an official to be injured at Queens 2012 and he received a match default, no suspension. You're blinded by your dislike of Kyrgios.
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Difference is that Kyrgios is a serial offender.

That should be pretty obvious.
 
S

sureshs

Bionic Poster
A curse will fall on Federer and he won't win a single more tournament after his loss today, while the greats like Nadal and Djokovic will go past 20 Slams each.
 
ByeByePoly

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Sartorius said:
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hahahahahaha!!!

That is the gold standard in "licking" a post. I hope when they give us the like button/link back it says "Lick".
 
roger presley

roger presley

Hall of Fame
sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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That's smart,he's the one, with Federer, that brings people to tennis matches.
 
Azure

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Who gives out the invites for participating in the Laver Cup? If it's Fed, can he take back the invitation? If I were Fed and Laver cup is in my business interests I would keep Kyrgios playing - he is high entertainment value. Whether right or wrong is another matter. Talking from pure business perspective.
 
yokied

yokied

Hall of Fame
Shaolin said:
Keep hating on him :rolleyes:

Guaranteed you'll be sitting in front of your tv with popcorn or a pizza next time he plays. Just like all the other people whining about Kyrgios.
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Pheasant said:
If Federer ever even talks to Kyrgios again, he should go to jail and be sentenced to life without parole. Federer’s role in the Laver Cup is somewhat akin to mass murder. The Roger Federer Foundation is similar to a massive drug cartel.

Federer reminds me of Pablo Escobar, except that he’s even more ruthless.
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I'm glad somebody gets it. But if the OP was self-aware and serious, he wouldn't have made this thread. Kyrgios will probably now get his fines overturned and Reverend SlshrBshr will probably win the USO in an unending stream of pure evil golden sets.
 
F

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Slimerer said:
Disagree. The ATP is responsible for punishing Kyrgios' behavior. If you believe Kyrgios should be dropped from the Laver Cup, it follows that you probably believe he should be suspended by the ATP as well. Does the ATP's current decision not to suspend Kyrgios show that they don't respect the game and their own umpires? Furthermore, Federer is not and has never been in favor of extreme punishment for players. Federer stated in May after Kyrgios' default in Rome, "I don't think he should be suspended, personally, because he walked off the court. What did he do? He hurt a chair? I don't know. It's not enough for me." If Federer actually believed Kyrgios should be suspended/dropped from tournaments and/or the Laver Cup but did not drop him, then that would be spineless. But Federer most likely does not believe that. It seems as if you already have a predisposition against Kyrgios and are attempting to force your own opinion of Kyrgios onto Federer.
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If the Laver Cup actually does drop Kyrgios this will be the response from the usual suspects:

"Federer drops Kyrgios to proetect the image of his precious tournament. Instead of offering help and support to this troubled young man he abandons him as soon as the going gets tough. Federer doesn't care about anyone but himself"
 
F

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Azure said:
Who gives out the invites for participating in the Laver Cup? If it's Fed, can he take back the invitation? If I were Fed and Laver cup is in my business interests I would keep Kyrgios playing - he is high entertainment value. Whether right or wrong is another matter. Talking from pure business perspective.
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I would assume he's signed a contract with them presumably with a good behaviour clause. If there isn't such a clause then legally I guess they would have to stick to the contract or buy him out of it.

They do seem to stick to their terms - that's why Stan isn't playing because they wouldn't break their payment formula for him.
 
Azure

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Fedforever said:
I would assume he's signed a contract with them presumably with a good behaviour clause. If there isn't such a clause then legally I guess they would have to stick to the contract or buy him out of it.

They do seem to stick to their terms - that's why Stan isn't playing because they wouldn't break their payment formula for him.
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Thanks. I guess then it is ATP's discretion as to Kyrgios' participation since ATP now values Laver Cup. This is all a bloody mess actually.
 
Virginia

Virginia

Hall of Fame
icedevil0289 said:
you should right an open letter to umpires in their consistency with applying rules.
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Exactly!
Slimerer said:
Which is why he received such a large fine, that should be pretty obvious. A suspension is just not in order based on what he did
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Yes, the heavy fine is enough. Yes, Nadal gets special treatment and yes, Kyrgios was correct about that. I know that doesn't excuse his bad behavior, but I watched the match and it seemed to me that Fergus Murphy was goading him. You could tell by the expression on his face, he was enjoying every minute. He clearly dislikes Nick intensely. And those of you who are encouraging Federer to dump him from the Laver Cup, shame on you!
 
brian anderson

brian anderson

Semi-Pro
sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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dear student, everything is always about money.
your welcome
 
F

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Azure said:
Thanks. I guess then it is ATP's discretion as to Kyrgios' participation since ATP now values Laver Cup. This is all a bloody mess actually.
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Honestly, if there is a good behaviour clause in his contract that could be enforced, I think they should probably do it. My sense from Fedfan Twitter (a lot of whom are ticket holders) is that they don't want him there. I imagine the tournament is busy consulting with the lawyers.

But I don't think Fed owes anything to people who will find fault whatever he does. The whole thread has made me beyond depressed, to be honest.
 
icedevil0289

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Virginia said:
Exactly!

Yes, the heavy fine is enough. Yes, Nadal gets special treatment and yes, Kyrgios was correct about that. I know that doesn't excuse his bad behavior, but I watched the match and it seemed to me that Fergus Murphy was goading him. You could tell by the expression on his face, he was enjoying every minute. He clearly dislikes Nick intensely. And those of you who are encouraging Federer to dump him from the Laver Cup, shame on you!
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for the record i am not excusing nick and his actions, he could have made his first point and then let it go, he has a major issue of never letting things go and taking it super personally or w/e. however at the same time, unfortunately or fortunately it is up to the umpire to understand and control the situation. maybe he felt that nick would stop after blowing off a little steam and some umpires allow that leniency but he could have/should have issued more code violations as per the rules when he realized nick wouldn't stop.
 
S

sureshs

Bionic Poster
If Federer does not dump him, it means all his talk about caring about the institution of tennis was BS.

BTW, Nick's sponsors should be the first to react and strip him.
 
J

jstr

Rookie
Rublev should replace Kyrios. His backstory and the way that he conducted himself during his win against Fed are worthy of replacement.
 
Azure

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Fedforever said:
Honestly, if there is a good behaviour clause in his contract that could be enforced, I think they should probably do it. My sense from Fedfan Twitter (a lot of whom are ticket holders) is that they don't want him there. I imagine the tournament is busy consulting with the lawyers.

But I don't think Fed owes anything to people who will find fault whatever he does. The whole thread has made me beyond depressed, to be honest.
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Understand. I don't think Kyrgios is necessarily bad for the sport. We all know that the sport could do with diverse characters. Although a Rafa fan, I was attracted to Novak's character initially because he was quite different in his character. Over time all of these guys have been moulded to speak in a particular manner and Kyrgios breaks that mould. That said, perhaps he pushes the limits a bit and that does not go well with many. I am ok with his antics as long as he respects the people who pay money to see some sincere efforts from the guy.
 
S

sureshs

Bionic Poster
No, there is no need to pander to viewers who like his "antics" when those antics involve continuous abuse of an official. The umpire is not your paid puppet for entertainment.
 
Azure

Azure

G.O.A.T.
sureshs said:
No, there is no need to pander to viewers who like his "antics" when those antics involve continuous abuse of an official. The umpire is not your paid puppet for entertainment.
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Yep that was the pushing of limits which I was alluding to, above.
 
shazbot

shazbot

Semi-Pro
sureshs said:
No, there is no need to pander to viewers who like his "antics" when those antics involve continuous abuse of an official. The umpire is not your paid puppet for entertainment.
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True.

You gotta be a mother to have the right to do that.
 
F

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Azure said:
Understand. I don't think Kyrgios is necessarily bad for the sport. We all know that the sport could do with diverse characters. Although a Rafa fan, I was attracted to Novak's character initially because he was quite different in his character. Over time all of these guys have been moulded to speak in a particular manner and Kyrgios breaks that mould. That said, perhaps he pushes the limits a bit and that does not go well with many. I am ok with his antics as long as he respects the people who pay money to see some sincere efforts from the guy.
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I don't have any great love for Kyrgios but this isn't as simple as people make out. It's not a party invite, it's a contract - the tournament can't just break it without showing good cause. Plus in Prague it was Kyrgios (after Rafa) who probably did most to secure the success of the tournament in its first year - maybe Fed feels a bit iffy about giving him a further kicking. Of course the people here who feel he's not capable of any normal human emotion like gratitude wouldn't see that.

I do wonder with Fed and Rafa fans who hate "the other" - these guys fell out seven years ago when they were on the Council and now they're trying again. Doesn't that show that they must actually respect and like each other as good human beings? Why else would they collaborate in so many projects? Do they need the money?? If we're their fans shouldn't we trust their judgement of each other?
 
Enceladus

Enceladus

Legend
tennisaddict said:
Cry a river

Kyrgios is integral to Lacer Cup and he is so much fun

He has stated so many times that it is the best week in his tennis calendar and loves playing for team than himself
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That is why he should be banned from participating in the LC. It would be bigger punishment for him than a ban of start on USO, not to mention tournaments in the rest of the season.
 
U

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Would be a leveling of his pride if he shows up in New York to practice and they let him know he isn’t playing. If you want to see Kyrgios reach somewhat of his potential it will take something serious and drastic to turn him around.
He realessed a photo of himself smiling on social media after they released the info on the fines. He is unaffected at this point.
 
Maverick13

Maverick13

Semi-Pro
Again, bottom line this is entertainment. People seem to forget that it’s a business above all else. Kyrgios is fun to watch and puts people in the seats.
 
S

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Maverick13 said:
Again, bottom line this is entertainment. People seem to forget that it’s a business above all else. Kyrgios is fun to watch and puts people in the seats.
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For the people who work in the business, it is a job, and they have the right to be treated by the same principles that applies to any job. The notion that the sports and entertainment industry can have a different set of rules, like allowing sexual harassment because it is part of the "creative" process, is long gone.
 
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