Peak Djokovic (2011) is NOT better than peak Federer

[Tennis_Hands]

Lmao, knew someone would bring up Pete. Polarised conditions, no bazooka's with huge sweetspots as well as a deep clay field. Pete also had big wins against players on clay. Again, great effort though.

It is not difficult to foresee that someone would bring up Pete, considerimg who are we talking to, no?

Anyway, didn't know that the conditions were part of Pete's opposition.

It seems that everything went against him: even the courts!

 

[KINGROGER]

Thanks GOA. I was just stating what I truly believe so no reason for me to feel frustrated. I didn't make make any point just to rile up other posters or so.

Interestingly Fed's exploit of 2017 made me respect him more than ever did. But absolute denial of Fed fans to acknowledge how great Fed is playing just because necessary corollary of that acceptance would be honest acceptance of Federer's losses to Nadal and Djokovic is definitely irritating. Constant reference to peak, prime, slightly peak, slightly prime actually gets to my nerves. Anyways each to their own.

He’s playing well yeah but there’s no doubt about it, put 2015 Djoker into 2017 and I only give Fed a shot at Wimbledon if he plays as fearless as he did.

AO Djokovic wins 4 tight sets. Fed was took to 5 by Nishikori.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Saying he's better than Hewitt isn't overrating him. And no, Hewitt wouldn't have beaten Murray's clay opposition. Guy's never had a deep run at FO in his career. Nice try though lmao. Keep overrating those players from 04-07, it is pretty entertaining.

QF is a decent run, lost to the eventual champion in 04. Keep crying though.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Lmao, knew someone would bring up Pete. Polarised conditions, no bazooka's with huge sweetspots as well as a deep clay field. Pete also had big wins against players on clay. Again, great effort though.

Keep making excuses for Pete.

He beat some real mugs for some of his slams yet you talk about weak eras. Lmao.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Honey, he was already past it! He was winning 5 years before that! He may have picked up the pace by '05, but he still wasn't winning anything meaningful!

Was he? He was at his consistent best, just had to deal with a version of Federer Murray never had to.

 

[swordtennis]

They make it sound like if Federer 2011 had started losing to all and sundry players. Most of the time in 2011 he lost to players who were clearly superior from the pack he used to defeat in 2005-06. In 2011 he lost in AO to Djokovic, FO to Nadal, W to Tsonga (well not from ATG league but Fed had lost to him earlier as well) and USO to Djokovic. The truth is that Fed had never had multislam season beating this level of players. It is stupid to conclude based on this evidence that he started losing cause he has started to decline. He had never triumphed this kind of competition. All these decline theories are bogus. Did Djokovic decline in 2013 or 2014 ? No, he was out of form or failed to maintain level. If had declined in 2013 or 2014, we would not have seen 2015. All these theories of peak - non peak are figments of imaginations of fanboys to console themselves on defeats of their favs. These are great players and with time they invent new tool while letting go older tools. That doesn't make them any weaker. When they become weak they start on one way journey towards oblivion. See what is happening with Ferrer. That is decline. What happened with Rafa in 15-16 is being out of form when you lose to all and sundry and failed to make a single SF for two years. Same is what is happening to Djokovic in 2017. It is not decline when you losing to just top two players (who happened to be from the level you never dominated ) but defeating everyone else.

Anyways, if one has to believe in theories of peak or non-peak just to keep themselves happy, go ahead and do that. World is yours.

Lol. You have so many valid unbiased points in your post and basically summed up my thoughts.
It is so tiring that i can not even predict what i am going to eat for dinner!

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Fun thread.

 

[fedfan24]

Peak Federer better at 3/4 slams ofc. Same for Madrid/Hamburg, Halle, IW, Cincy, Shanghai, YEC.

 

[RS]

Fun thread.

Fed ruled the forum more then then bit different now

 

[Phoenix*]

I like how OP forgot to include the slam Djo straight set Fed in 2011. Makes me trust his argument more.

 

[itrium84]

My favorites are "Fed almost beat Novak at USO, he had 40-15" and "Fed was able to beat Novak".

 

[Holmes]

Of course he wasn't. Peak Fed would have another 8 plus years of development against Nole and Rafael, in addition to those formative years against fan favorites like Hewitt, Phillippoussis, Roddick, and more.

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Peak Djokovic craps all over Fedal. One fluke win at the French Open doesn't change anything.

 

[BenBen]

What was Federer doing against Djoker in the 2011 Aussie match? Seemed slow, overly defensive, no penetration on his forehand as though court ate his pace.