optic yellow
Legend
This is valid reasoning to be honest, I retract my criticism.
Rafa: "not having one of the best players of the history in the draw of Grand Slam is always an important miss, no?”
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Hitman
Bionic Poster
Fair enough.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Injuries are part of the game. Politics aren't.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Sure, but you really can't say this is politics. Every single foreign player has to follow the same rules that Joker it being subjected to. If either Fedal took the same stance that Joker has taken they wouldn’t be allowed in either.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Complying with a sovereign nation's border regulations has always been a part of the game.
Congratulations to Mr. Djokovic for managing to turn something so banal into news.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, I agree. But these slams definitely don't feel open when you don't allow one of the best players to participate.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
He's allowed to participate, he's choosing not to because he doesn't get to compete on his terms. That's on him. I've seen too many people point the finger at anyone other than the one person who is actually to blame in this situation. This is just the consequences of Joker's choices.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nobody should be forced to take a vaccine.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
He's allowed like every single other player and all he has to do is what every tennis player always does
Of course. Even Djokovic's own coaches managed to get vaccinated and comply with border regulations. That he wouldn't do so is his own issue
It's absolutely hilarious that this is still being discussed.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
And I agree with that. That has been my stance all along. But he doesn't get to have his cake and eat it too. Why should he be given special treatment when literally every other pro has done what has been asked of them?
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
That's a highly debatable proposition and many sovereign nations do not agree or have not agreed in the past.
You can live on your own island if you want your rules to trump those of the nations you visit.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I agree with your stance. It doesn't mean I will still consider these fair slams.
RG has been the only legit slam this year.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Fair enough, I disaree because every player has been subjected to the same rules.
And RG has always been the most legit schlem
The GOAT debate shall hence forth be decided by whoever has the most RG and DO titles
Autodidactic player
Professional
Come on! Novak is not being forced to get a vaccine. In fact, to this day Novak remains unvaccinated. His choice. If he wanted to travel to the US for the Open, he would follow the law and get the vaccine like every other non-citizen player. It's not like he was unaware of the US travel requirements. Novak made his choice, the US government made their choice. Move on!
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Agree. Lets have all four slams at RG, so legitimacy can remain in tennis. RG and France leading the way.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Signature Djokovic 2021 season.
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Slicehand
Guest
great player, better terrorist
Azure
G.O.A.T.
If he were really forced he would be playing, no? This is getting into a tired argument. His choice and the government’s choice. You can question the policies just like tons of policies are being questioned everyday in many democratic countries but no one is rolling up Novak’s sleeves, tying him down and jabbing him.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
I think there is a difference between a player deciding he does not want to play due to an injury and a player not being allowed to play due to politics.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
“Deciding” not to play bc you’re injured and having all year to take a vaccine knowing the consequences? Astounding mental gymnastics lol you better stick that landing
Autodidactic player
Professional
Azure
G.O.A.T.
What politics? Was any unjabbed foreigner allowed to enter the US because the country has friendlier nations with one?
Yes he had. It was political decision to deport him. It had little to do with Covid restrictions but more to do with winning next elections. Crowd was angry with Djokovic - hence they humiliated him - deported him to please the public.
Not forcing? What are vaccine mandates then? If you don't get that unproven sh1t injected - you lose big. There is no better way of forcing.
It's Australia allowed him on medical exemption in first place. He met entry criteria through exemption like few other players.
However in USO - one can argue he didn't meet entry criteria. But in that case you've got to defend stupid vaccine mandates like you are agent of pharma company Lol.
Curtennis
Hall of Fame
He decided that he will choose what goes into his body. Having had 2 shots of Pfizer over a year ago has literally 0 effect on covid today. Why would a principled man submit to this?
No sane person would support vaccine mandates. Australia was almost fully vaccinated but yet they saw highest number of daily patients in last wave. It failed in preventing transmission. What is the point of making it mandatory?
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
No, the Australian federal government (responsible for securing the country's borders) didn't give Djoko the medical exemption. The medical exemption Tennis Australia (TA) granted (arranged, sent) to Djoko was approved by an expert panel established by the Victorian state government in December 2021, though the Australian federal government officials had told Craig Tiley (CEO of TA) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
In other words, you acknowledge that the Hunt letters were superseded by the medical exemption that formed part of the award of Novak's visa by the Federal Government.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Completely wrong, as usual.
optic yellow
Legend
What are the "Hunt letters" for the non-Australian following along at home?
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Djoko not wanting to meet the requirements to enter foreign counties (Australia and the USA) has nothing to do with politics.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
He was deported from Australia as a threat to the "good order" of the country as decided by a politician.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
You are wrong.
Djoko's lawyers said in court that he received the visa in the middle of November 2021 and that the visa was not dependant on vaccination status. This visa was useless without proof of vaccination status, that’s why he needed a medical excemption to be allowed to enter Australia. The excemption was issued by Tennis Australia on 30 December, but it was based on an invalid reason. Djoko was caught by a border official at the Melbourne airport and his visa was cancelled because he showed the border official the medical exemption that was based on an invalid reason: having covid & recovering from it wihin the last 6 months. So, Djoko (with the help of TA) tried to find a loophole to enter Australia, but he was caught by the border people subordinate to the federal government.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The Health Minister aka Hunt wrote advice that soon became obsolete when prior infection became grounds for entry to Australia without vaccination.
If that was true - how a WTA player not just entered in Australia but also played an entire tournament with exemption. They made it invalid after sensing public backlash. It was purely political decision. Also deported that WTA player to justify their actions. Such a shameless bunch..
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Yes, this was exactly what happened. It was the norm to issue visas to the unvaccinated with an exemption, but the desire to deport Djokovic caused these people trouble.
They didn't have money to challenge the matter in court, as they complained bitterly at the time, so they just left the country.
They didn't have money to challenge the matter in court, as they complained bitterly at the time, so they just left the country.
optic yellow
Legend
What is the WTA player thing?
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
The exemption was based on an invalid reason since the issuance of it.
optic yellow
Legend
Did people even know about this exemption rule before Djokovic?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Yes, it was always known about and it was up on the relevant Ministerial website. They had to go to the trouble to set up a committee to vet exemptions.
They never published a list of everyone who got an exemption, so Djokovic's one was the first we heard about because it was rejected at the border.
They never published a list of everyone who got an exemption, so Djokovic's one was the first we heard about because it was rejected at the border.
Julius Caesar
Professional
Are ********* still crying their eyes out?
It was valid but they made it invalid overnight just to deport Djokovic. If it was invalid in the first place - the WTA player wouldn't able to enter.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
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