Rafa: "not having one of the best players of the history in the draw of Grand Slam is always an important miss, no?”

[JCF]

Djokovic had settled his ideas long before the current situation, and has remained true to them. There's something admirable about even the wrong-headed.

Why is he wrong headed ? for not taking the vaccine ?
hahaha if you believe this you are truly lost, the vaccine was at best a therapeutic (a bad one) with dodgy side effects.

I regret taking it, I know lots of people that didn't take it and they certainly don't regret it.

 

[optic yellow]

I'm so confused why it took for Djokovic for outrage to form over the exemption rule.

Why is he wrong headed ? for not taking the vaccine ?
hahaha if you believe this you are truly lost, the vaccine was at best a therapeutic (a bad one) with dodgy side effects.

I regret taking it, I know lots of people that didn't take it and they certainly don't regret it.

Why do you regret taking it?

 

[JCF]

I'm so confused why it took for Djokovic for outrage to form over the exemption rule.


Why do you regret taking it?

Heart issues after, went to cardiologist and got a full checkup done, all seems ok now, but wasn't right for a few weeks after taking 2nd dose - had pains there I never had ... and I just knew it was the vaccine.

Omicron strain now is mild, got it and have natural immunity - which would have been better from the start.

The landscape has COMPLETELY changed with omicron + what we now know about the vaccines.
To say Djokovic is wrong is not even remotely right - especially now - arguably maybe you could have said he was wrong a year ago ... but not now.

He has been 100% vindicated.

 

[Moon Shooter]

What politics? Was any unjabbed foreigner allowed to enter the US because the country has friendlier nations with one?

Politics that requires foreigners to take medications that people that live here do not.

just like it we had sanctions against Russia that didn’t allow them to play - it would still be politics. And you saying well did they let some Russians in but not other Russians wouldn’t be proof it is not politics.
All laws are politics. And this is not even fully a law as in passed by Congress but a bureaucratic regulation.

 

[Moon Shooter]

Are ********* still crying their eyes out?

no I think this thread is mostly full of nadal fans trying to suggest Djokovic not being allowed in due to politics is remotely close to nadal choosing to sit out of Wimbledon due to a tiny abdominal muscle tear.

 

[DSH]

no I think this thread is mostly full of nadal fans trying to suggest Djokovic not being allowed in due to politics is remotely close to nadal choosing to sit out of Wimbledon due to a tiny abdominal muscle tear.

Ok, so "small" that he had to withdraw from a Wimbledon semi-final and with the Grand Slam at stake.

 

[intrepidish]

Nice acting there Rafi ...

Like he's not ****ing delighted he's not there, little sociopath was probably actively petitioning him to be banned like he was in Australia...

Hi Slade. You're not doing well these days.

 

[Moon Shooter]

Ok, so "small" that he had to withdraw from a Wimbledon semi-final and with the Grand Slam at stake.

he did not “have” to he *chose* to withdraw. No doctor said he absolutely could not play. He continued to play against fritz and likely would have played if Djokovic was not still in the running. He even went and hit some serves the next day and he decided against playing.

Djokovic was prevented from playing by bureaucrats/politics in the USA and Australia. He would have been physically arrested and prevented from playing. The two situations are different. One the player chooses not to play the other the player is not allowed to play.

 

[NeutralFan]

Not gonna miss many of these once the players retire.

You gonna quit watching tennis?

 

[octobrina10]

Did people even know about this exemption rule before Djokovic?

Yes, it was always known about and it was up on the relevant Ministerial website. They had to go to the trouble to set up a committee to vet exemptions. ...

It was valid but they made it invalid overnight just to deport Djokovic. If it was invalid in the first place - the WTA player wouldn't able to enter.

Craig Tiley, CEO of Tennis Australia, (TA) was aware that the medical exemption TA sent to Djoko was based on an invalid reason.

Tennis Australia granted (arranged, sent) Djoko an exemption on 30 December 2021 despite the fact that the Australian Government officials told Craig Tiley (CEO of Tennis Australia) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia.

 

[intrepidish]

Craig Tiley, CEO of Tennis Australia, (TA) was aware that the medical exemption TA sent to Djoko was based on an invalid reason.

Tennis Australia granted (arranged, sent) Djoko an exemption on 30 December 2021 despite the fact that the Australian Government officials told Craig Tiley (CEO of Tennis Australia) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia.

Yes. Djokovic clearly did not have a valid exemption. He hoped for benign neglect at the border and otherwise was always going to be going home early.

 

[Azure]

Politics that requires foreigners to take medications that people that live here do not.
All laws are politics. And this is not even fully a law as in passed by Congress but a bureaucratic regulation.

These are policies - not politics. Politics has a negative connotation where one group of people is discriminated against despite everything being equal. There is no politics involved in preventing non-nationals for coming into the country when the law is uniform for all non-nationals. If Novak is discriminated for being a Serb while another unvaxxed foreigner is allowed to enter, that's politics at play. Here the rule is uniform.

 

[Bartelby]

After an open court hearing, the government acknowledged Djokovic had a valid exemption and agreed to the restoration of his visa.

Yes. Djokovic clearly did not have a valid exemption. He hoped for benign neglect at the border and otherwise was always going to be going home early.

 

[antony]

True. Novak chose not to play. A player injured so badly that they cannot play doesn't have a choice.

Not true. He chose not to take the ******** clot shot. He did not choose not to play.

 

[Moon Shooter]

These are policies - not politics. Politics has a negative connotation where one group of people is discriminated against despite everything being equal. There is no politics involved in preventing non-nationals for coming into the country when the law is uniform for all non-nationals. If Novak is discriminated for being a Serb while another unvaxxed foreigner is allowed to enter, that's politics at play. Here the rule is uniform.

you are splitting hairs. I don’t deny Hawke had the legal authority to do what he did in Australia or that Biden’s administration has the legal authority to do what it is doing. But these policies are not laws passed by the congress. Plus our own cdc said vaccinated should be treated no different than unvaccinated. Biden has not said he disagrees. So this is not based on any actual scientific concern for safety. It is all just political posturing.

 

[intrepidish]

After an open court hearing, the government acknowledged Djokovic had a valid exemption and agreed to the restoration of his visa. This is fact, not your fantasy.

False. The first hearing established a minor procedural issue. The second hearing you're referencing does not state what you feverishly imagine it does.

I get that you think that repeating a falsehood over and over is a valid strategy but it will still remain a falsehood.

 

[Bartelby]

Several tennis players were given a visa based on a valid exemption and entered Australia without trouble, but only Djokovic was singled out for "special treatment".

Craig Tiley, CEO of Tennis Australia, (TA) was ...

 

[DSH]

These are policies - not politics. Politics has a negative connotation where one group of people is discriminated against despite everything being equal. There is no politics involved in preventing non-nationals for coming into the country when the law is uniform for all non-nationals. If Novak is discriminated for being a Serb while another unvaxxed foreigner is allowed to enter, that's politics at play. Here the rule is uniform.

The problem with the ********** is that they CUSTOMIZE everything that affects their fallen idol and believe, erroneously, of course, that a law that has been known for months was going to be implemented, it is a attack and a norm that has a first and last name when it is not.
Everyone should know that breaking a rule that is stipulated in the legislation of a country has serious consequences, even more so if it involves foreign citizens.
Djokovic knew it and that is why, this time, he avoided an embarrassing show like what happened months ago in Australia.
His fans should accept it now and avoid a topic that should be finished.

 

[Azure]

you are splitting hairs. I don’t deny Hawke had the legal authority to do what he did in Australia or that Biden’s administration has the legal authority to do what it is doing. But these policies are not laws passed by the congress. Plus our own cdc said vaccinated should be treated no different than unvaccinated. Biden has not said he disagrees. So this is not based on any actual scientific concern for safety. It is all just political posturing.

There surely are delays in making changes to existing policies but as it stands it is the rule for all foreigners to the United States - whether you are from Timbuktu or Scotland. There is absolutely no discrimination between citizens of any country. If for example US allowed people of Great Britain to enter unvaccinated because of US’ friendly relations with the country while not allowing one from Serbia, that would be blatant politics. It simply is not the case here. You guys are looking for politics where there is none.

 

[intrepidish]

Several tennis players

Djokovic did not have a valid exemption. End of story.

 

[Bartelby]

I was referencing only the first hearing, as you as an expert lawyer should know. That hearing ended with the government acknowledging the validity of his exemption.

The second hearing was about "good order",

False. The first hearing established a minor procedural issue. The second hearing you're referencing does not state what you feverishly imagine it does.

 

[octobrina10]

After an open court hearing, the government acknowledged Djokovic had a valid exemption and agreed to the restoration of his visa.

No. The exemption's validity was not discussed in court. The judge restored his visa just because of a procedural error - the border officials at Melbourne airport did not give Djoko sufficient time to contact his lawyers (he arrived at night).

 

[intrepidish]

I was referencing

You throw lots of things around hoping no one will spend time to work through your obfuscations and falsehoods. Djokovic did not have a valid exemption.

End of story.

 

[Bartelby]

Nonsense. Border Force was shown Novak's exemption at the border and yet still cancelled his visa. The judge restored the visa.

No. The exemption's validity was not discussed in court. The judge restored his visa just because of a procedural error - the border officials at Melbourne airport did not give Djoko sufficient time to contact his lawyers (he arrived at night).

 

[octobrina10]

Several tennis players were given a visa based on a valid exemption and entered Australia without trouble, but only Djokovic was singled out for "special treatment".

Djoko's lawyers said in court that he received the visa in the middle of November 2021 and that the visa was not dependant on vaccination status. This visa was useless without proof of vaccination status, that’s why he needed a medical excemption to be allowed to enter Australia. The excemption was issued by Tennis Australia on 30 December, but it was based on an invalid reason. Djoko was caught by a border official at the Melbourne airport and his visa was cancelled because he showed the border official the medical exemption that was based on an invalid reason: having covid & recovering from it wihin the last 6 months.

 

[Bartelby]

This Hunt document is irrelevant. The judge was shown the medical exemption, as was Border Force. The cancellation of his visa was quashed.

You throw ...

 

[intrepidish]

This Hunt document

Incorrect. The Hunt document is very relevant. Djokovic did not have a valid exemption

 

[Bartelby]

The court decided that Novak did have a valid exemption. You may think that they were wrong to do so, but the court did not obviously.

As a matter of fact, therefore, you and your friend are simply wrong. You can, if you choose, disagree with the judge, but I can see no reason to do so.

Incorrect. The Hunt document is very relevant. Djokovic did not have a valid exemption

 

[intrepidish]

The court decided that Novak did have a valid exemption

Incorrect. Referencing the 2nd hearing from 1:04 onward it is clear you either do not understand what an 'arguendo' is or you are again obfuscating as usual.

 

[Bartelby]

You keep writing about an 'arguendo' as if you've clinched some point whereas you haven't even made a point let alone an argument with evidence.

Incorrect. Referencing the 2nd hearing from 1:04 onward it is clear you either do not understand what an 'arguendo' is or you are again obfuscating as usual.

 

[intrepidish]

You keep writing about an 'arguendo' as if you've clinched some point whereas you haven't even made a point let alone an argument with evidence.

Anyone who understands what the term is and heard the second hearing from 1:04 onward will know what I am referencing and why what you're saying is illiterate in this context. Djokovic never had a valid exemption:

 

[Bartelby]

You still don't have a point or an argument. It's just "rinse and repeat".

Anyone who understands what the term is and heard the second hearing will know what I am referencing and why what you're saying is illiterate in this context. Djokovic never had a valid exemption:

 

[intrepidish]

just "rinse and repeat".

Yes, that's what you have been doing which is why I've decided to counter your fantasies with the facts again. Djokovic never had a valid exemption

:

 

[Moon Shooter]

There surely are delays in making changes to existing policies but as it stands it is the rule for all foreigners to the United States - whether you are from Timbuktu or Scotland. There is absolutely no discrimination between citizens of any country. If for example US allowed people of Great Britain to enter unvaccinated because of US’ friendly relations with the country while not allowing one from Serbia, that would be blatant politics. It simply is not the case here. You guys are looking for politics where there is none.

Sure even you know this is merely a “delay” and this policy of saying unvaxxed citizens should be treated the same as vaxxed but not foreigners is irrational on its face. US citizens do not react to the vaccine different than non-us citizens.

so why is there this delay? Politics. If Biden didn’t think he would look bad turning this train around 180 he would. But he has gone from saying the science says it is our duty to others to get the vaxx and stop the spread to it doesn’t matter and he wants to do this in increments so it is not such a dramatic about face.
I’m not saying he has anything against Djokovic personally. It’s just that it is only republicans in congress asking that he be able to play not dems or even the leftist usta.

To say policies have nothing to do with politics is too much. If a Republican were president these policies would be very different.

I look at this more of a spectrum then a yes or no. You have clear laws passed by a legislature. (But even there with some places like Russia and China that might be “politics”). Then you have policies of an administration. Suddenly we are in or out of an Iran deal, or Paris accords or,suddenly this person gets deported or the epa considers this clean air when itdidn’t before and vice versa. But then you have situations like this. Where everyone knows Djokovic is no threat to our safety but they are delaying the changes to save face and because the wrong people want him to play.

 

[Moon Shooter]

Yes, that's what you have been doing which is why I've decided to counter your fantasies with the facts again. Djokovic never had a valid exemption

:

why do you keep posting about “quarantine free” entry. And why do you keep posting correspondence that did notions to djokovic?

 

[Azure]

Sure even you know this is merely a “delay” and this policy of saying unvaxxed citizens should be treated the same as vaxxed but not foreigners is irrational on its face. US citizens do not react to the vaccine different than non-us citizens.

so why is there this delay? Politics. If Biden didn’t think he would look bad turning this train around 180 he would. But he has gone from saying the science says it is our duty to others to get the vaxx and stop the spread to it doesn’t matter and he wants to do this in increments so it is not such a dramatic about face.
I’m not saying he has anything against Djokovic personally.

I look at this more of a spectrum then a yes or no. You have clear laws passed by a legislature. (But even there with some places like Russia and China that might be “politics”). Then you have policies of an administration. Suddenly we are in or out of an Iran deal, or Paris accords or,suddenly this person gets deported or the epa considers this clean air when itdidn’t before and vice versa. But then you have situations like this. Where everyone knows Djokovic is no threat to our safety but they are delaying the changes to save face and because the wrong people want him to play.

Sure I agree with these but then you say it yourself, it is no vendetta against an individual and there are thousand of such inconsistent policies. To call this "fascism" or "dictatorship" is just being blindsided by things. I don't see a scientific basis in the policy at this point myself but that does not mean that there is politics at play in stopping one athlete alone from entering when the policy is the same for everyone.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Craig Tiley, CEO of Tennis Australia, (TA) was aware that the medical exemption TA sent to Djoko was based on an invalid reason.

Tennis Australia granted (arranged, sent) Djoko an exemption on 30 December 2021 despite the fact that the Australian Government officials told Craig Tiley (CEO of Tennis Australia) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia.

Oh good research. But it doesn't answer my question. How the WTA player was allowed to compete with exemption ? This could be post dated fabricated letter that was released to support the govt stand in Court.

 

[octobrina10]

Oh good research. But it doesn't answer my question. How the WTA player was allowed to compete with exemption ? This could be post dated fabricated letter that was released to support the govt stand in Court.

The border officials obviously trusted Tennis Australia (TA) that issued the medical excemptions on the letterhead of TA.

 

[Russeljones]

You gonna quit watching tennis?

It was a reference to the people only interested in their idol's image.

 

[antony]

Incorrect. The Hunt document is very relevant. Djokovic did not have a valid exemption

That memo does not mean Djokovic did or did not have a valid exemption, it just meant that Djokovic would not be considered fully vaccinated.

The fact is, Djokovic was issued an official exemption, and the exemption was retroactively revoked and then soon after reinstated due to covidiot drama and politics.

Novak Djokovic: judge asks what more tennis star could have done to prove vaccination exemption

Judge says he is ‘agitated’ that Australian officials did not accept exemption document from Covid vaccination provided by world No 1

www.theguardian.com

Australian judge reinstates tennis star Novak Djokovic’s visa

Australian judge Anthony Kelly reinstated tennis star Novak Djokovic’s visa, which was canceled after his arrival last week because he’s unvaccinated.

nypost.com

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Nothing wrong with what Rafa said here. It’s true the tennis world continues no matter who’s missing. At end of the day it’s just a tennis tournament that will come and pass and no champion is bigger than the game. I accepted it months back but hope to see Djokovic back in future. Good luck to all players at us open.

 

[intrepidish]

That memo does not mean Djokovic did or did not have a valid exemption

The first hearing is merely about procedure. Djokovic applied for a non-quarantine visa which would have required a medical exemption which he did NOT have as is seen here:

 

[mike danny]

If he were really forced he would be playing, no? This is getting into a tired argument. His choice and the government’s choice. You can question the policies just like tons of policies are being questioned everyday in many democratic countries but no one is rolling up Novak’s sleeves, tying him down and jabbing him.

He's still forced to take a vaccine because otherwise they're not allowing him to play.

 

[mike danny]

Come on! Novak is not being forced to get a vaccine. In fact, to this day Novak remains unvaccinated. His choice. If he wanted to travel to the US for the Open, he would follow the law and get the vaccine like every other non-citizen player. It's not like he was unaware of the US travel requirements. Novak made his choice, the US government made their choice. Move on!

Ummm, he is being forced to take a vaccine because by definition they're not allowing him in.

 

[Azure]

He's still forced to take a vaccine because otherwise they're not allowing him to play.

So its just like any other thing. You don’t want to follow regulations you don’t participate. You can question the regulation but can’t say that he is forced.

 

[mike danny]

So its just like any other thing. You don’t want to follow regulations you don’t participate. You can question the regulation but can’t say that he is forced.

Be that as it may, these still aren't open slams if one of the best players isn't allowed to play, be it his own choice or not.

 

[octobrina10]

...

The fact is, Djokovic was issued an official exemption, and the exemption was retroactively revoked and then soon after reinstated due to covidiot drama and politics.

...

The fact is that the medical excemption Tennis Australia (TA) granted (arranged, sent) to Djoko was approved by an expert panel established by the Victorian state government in December 2021, though the Australian federal government officials had told Craig Tiley (CEO of TA) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia. So, Djoko (with the help of TA) tried to find a loophole to enter Australia, but he was caught by the border guard (subordinate to the federal government) at the airport, because the exemption he presented to the border people was based on an invalid reason.

 

[>17]

Ummm, he is being forced to take a vaccine because by definition they're not allowing him in.

 

[antony]

The fact is that the medical excemption Tennis Australia (TA) granted (arranged, sent) to Djoko was approved by an expert panel established by the Victorian state government in December 2021, though the Australian federal government officials had told Craig Tiley (CEO of TA) twice in writing in November 2021 that having Covid within the last 6 months was not a valid reason for an exemption from vaccination in order to be allowed to enter Australia. So, Djoko (with the help of TA) tried to find a loophole to enter Australia, but he was caught by the border guard (subordinate to the federal government) at the airport, because the exemption he presented to the border people was based on an invalid reason.

You didn't include the bit where
"Australian judge reinstates tennis star Novak Djokovic’s visa"
after all of that BS.

Australian judge reinstates tennis star Novak Djokovic’s visa

Australian judge Anthony Kelly reinstated tennis star Novak Djokovic’s visa, which was canceled after his arrival last week because he’s unvaccinated.

nypost.com

 

[Azure]

Be that as it may, these still aren't open slams if one of the best players isn't allowed to play, be it his own choice or not.

USO is very much open. I haven’t heard any policy from the federation.