Remembering the grass monster Federer was

[Poisoned Slice]

 

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FullOfPoossis and Titspissass - what a pair of Greek toilet basins.

 

[Freddy Cat]

The true grass monster:

 

[Marfrilau]

2017 Wimbledon was a travesty. So was 03-07.

Fed racks up awesome DR vs small opponents.

And Djokovic had better opponents? Would be quite stupid if you mention Federer considering he basically only won Wimbledon titles that were travesties...

 

[Druss]

Djokovic is 2-0 in the Wimbledon finals against Fed. That should tell you everything you need to know about who is the better grass player.

18 yo Hewitt beats 28 yo Sampras = peak Hewitt and old past it Sampras.

27/28 yo Djokovic beats 33/34 yo Federer = peak Djokovic and peak Federer.

26 yo Federer beats 20 yo Djokovic = peak Federer and baby Djokovic.

The Djokovic (and VB) fanatical Consensus:

Federer at 33-35 yo is peak because he loses to Djokovic.

Djokovic at 20 yo is only a baby and that's why he lost to Federer.

Hewitt is not a baby at 18-20....that is only for Djokovic and Nadal.

Sampras only lost to Federer's contemporaries (Safin/Hewitt) because at 28/29 he is well past his prime.

 

[nolefam_2024]

And Djokovic had better opponents? Would be quite stupid if you mention Federer considering he basically only won Wimbledon titles that were travesties...

No but I don't say Djokovicmonster on grass.

 

[nolefam_2024]

They couldn't stop Fed, the grass goat, in his peak years. Absolute mugs.

Absolutely.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Same guy for a full 12-14 years?

Whatever you say man.

Sure.

 

[Meles]

Prob Murray

I agree 100% and nice little triumph over a disoriented Laver Cup Goffin today in Shenzhen for the Muzziah.

 

[NoleFam]

Okay I Should have put in O.P


NO ONE IS SAYING FEDERER> NOLE OR NOLE > FEDERER.

Just that Federer's stats and his grass level was awesome and I just used second most prolific Wimbledon player of the era to just underline that.

When two people play a real match against each other all stats go down the drain.

This was about Federer and Grass not Federer vs Djokovic.

Not saying that this was your intention to cause another Federer/Djokovic war but what did you expect to happen on TTW when you created a thread seemingly praising Federer but compared him to Djokovic, and showed how much better on grass he was than Djokovic? Basically that's what you did.

I think most people know Federer is better on grass than Djokovic and know his peak was higher. Then you have people bashing Federer and then even more bashing Djokovic, claiming he would never have won Wimbledon yadda, yadda which is ridiculous. Frankly, this thread would have been more interesting if you had compared Federer to the previous grass king Sampras since they are more similiar and had similar dominance.

 

[NoleFam]

This is a little something for those in here acting like they don't know who the 2nd best grasscourt player of this era is and having amnesia all of a sudden. I have a little time to spare today.

 

[TheFifthSet]

2017 Wimbledon was a travesty. So was 03-07.

Fed racks up awesome DR vs small opponents.

2017 Wimby featured several very dangerous GC’ers: Zverev, Dimitrov, Raonic, Berdych and Cilic. I’d say that draw was tougher than Djokovic’s 2018 Wimby. Nadal hasn’t been a top grass-courter in some while and Anderson was gassed (much like Cilic, he was in no condition to win a BO5 over an ATG, so they cancel out.)

 

[nolefam_2024]

2017 Wimby featured several very dangerous GC’ers: Zverev, Dimitrov, Raonic, Berdych and Cilic. I’d say that draw was tougher than Djokovic’s 2018 Wimby. Nadal hasn’t been a top grass-courter in some while and Anderson was gassed (much like Cilic, he was in no condition to win a BO5 over an ATG, so they cancel out.)

Big names. Failures.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Big names. Failures.

lol I miss 2015-16 NNF.

 

[nolefam_2024]

lol I miss 2015-16 NNF.

You mean I am worse?

 

[Djokovicfan]

djokovic fed and nadal are all in the same ballpark of ability. Federer has the grace and eye candy strokes, nadal has the spin dynamic, and djokovic smokes crack between sets. I like djokovic because he seems to be able to play great shots with high consistency and his ability to return big serves is disgusting. Also djokovics strokes are very aesthetic.

 

[Sudacafan]

Who's that with him? Suresh?

LOL, I just had the same thought.

 

[mike danny]

Because they couldn't stop fed even once in Wimbledon. Very poor.

Just like Murray at AO, right? Novak's biggest competition at his best slam.

At least Roddick gave Fed sterner tests at Wimb than Murray gave Novak at the AO.

 

[mike danny]

2017 Wimbledon was a travesty. So was 03-07.

Fed racks up awesome DR vs small opponents.

Small opponents as in the world no.2 every year from 2004 to 2007.

 

[mike danny]

They are Fed's bunnies. Couldn't convert much.

Just like tour minus Djokovic is. Cant even stop oldman. Pathetic.

It shoes how weak the competition was in 2014-2015, that's it.

 

[mike danny]

Probably or probably not.

All i see is its Federer. Same guy, same as 2003,2004 bullying everyone on grass.

Last year there was no Djokovic and he didn't even lose a set. He didn't do it even in his prime so who am I to question his ability.

What I saw in 2017-2018 at the AO was the same Djokovic, just could not beat Istomin and Chung.

 

[mike danny]

No but I don't say Djokovicmonster on grass.

Of course not, because he isn't. Federer actually was and still is.

 

[mike danny]

Not saying that this was your intention to cause another Federer/Djokovic war but what did you expect to happen on TTW when you created a thread seemingly praising Federer but compared him to Djokovic, and showed how much better on grass he was than Djokovic? Basically that's what you did.

I think most people know Federer is better on grass than Djokovic and know his peak was higher. Then you have people bashing Federer and then even more bashing Djokovic, claiming he would never have won Wimbledon yadda, yadda which is ridiculous. Frankly, this thread would have been more interesting if you had compared Federer to the previous grass king Sampras since they are more similiar and had similar dominance.

No comparison between Fed and Sampras. It's Federer easily.

 

[nolefam_2024]

How come a monster lost 2 straight years in finals to a guy who wasn't?

Of course not, because he isn't. Federer actually was and still is.

 

[smoledman]

2017 Wimbledon was a reminder of the grass monster Fed used to be. Nice to see him be able to pull that kind of domination off at nearly 36 years old. If there were any doubts, that Wimbledon ended them for good!

 

[mike danny]

How come a monster lost 2 straight years in finals to a guy who wasn't?

The answer is actually quite obvious. The monster was old while the other guy was at his peak and took advantage of that.

Can't believe you're using 2 years in which Federer was old as evidence for anything.

 

[smoledman]

Federer was 'old' at 33/34 when he lost those Wimbledon finals to Djokovic? Way to go Nole fans - denigrating your own guy to make Fedr look bad.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The answer is actually quite obvious. The monster was old while the other guy was at his peak and took advantage of that.

Can't believe you're using 2 years in which Federer was old as evidence for anything.

Lol so he is monster before facing Djokovic,

monster after facing Djokovic

and not while.

True delusional.

 

[mike danny]

Lol so he is monster before facing Djokovic,

monster after facing Djokovic

and not while.

True delusional.

FO 2011 and Wimb 2012 while Fed could still compete with Djokovic in BO5. He was a monster in those.

Congratulations on your guy beating a 33 and 34 year old player way past his prime.

 

[Ann]

Fedr is GOAT

 

[nolefam_2024]

FO 2011 and Wimb 2012 while Fed could still compete with Djokovic in BO5. He was a monster in those.

Congratulations on your guy beating a 33 and 34 year old player way past his prime.

Fed can still compete otherwise he wouldn't win 3 out of 4 slams he competed.

He just can't beat Novak now. Poor him. Hopefully Novak sees him off till end of his career now and not slump himself.

 

[tennisaddict]

Fed can still compete otherwise he wouldn't win 3 out of 4 slams he competed.

He just can't beat Novak now. Poor him. Hopefully Novak sees him off till end of his career now and not slump himself.

Hopefully Chung, Querrey, Klizan, Taro Daniel , Cechhinato, Paire , Tomic and a few others cooperate.

 

[Zetty]

Djokovic should be thankful he isn’t the same age as Fed otherwise he’d have 0-1 Wimbledon instead of 4. We saw how he fares against a top playing Fed in 2012.

*yawn* yes let's make extrapolations that can't be proven based on form of a player for one particular tournament, let's just say Federer is a more accomplished grass court player and leave it there.

 

[Raining hopes]

For what it's worth
Just as Federer at his grass peak Didn't face Djokovic

Djokovic too has never ever faced anyone on Grass with the firepower AND defensive movement like 2003-2006 Federer

 

[nolefam_2024]

For what it's worth
Just as Federer at his grass peak Didn't face Djokovic

Djokovic too has never ever faced anyone on Grass with the firepower AND defensive movement like 2003-2006 Federer

Then both are a ok.

 

[tennisaddict]

4 VS 8. Half the player.

 

[robthai]

Lol so he is monster before facing Djokovic,

monster after facing Djokovic

and not while.

True delusional.

What about Djokovic then? He is a monster vs the rest of the field but when he plays Wawrinka in slam finals his balls shrink. Defending Australian Open champion in the middle of his peak loses in the 4th round of his best slam to a journeyman that Fed has comprehensively dominated throughout his career.

 

[mike danny]

Fed can still compete otherwise he wouldn't win 3 out of 4 slams he competed.

He just can't beat Novak now. Poor him. Hopefully Novak sees him off till end of his career now and not slump himself.

Fed can still compete because the competition is pathetic, not because he is still at the same level as over a decade ago.

The fact that he can't compete with Novak in BO5 since 2014 is evidence that he he declined significantly.

 

[ABCD]

The fact that he can't compete with Novak in BO5 since 2014 is evidence that he he declined significantly.

There is even stronger evidence to support theory of Federer decline:

1) His results against Nadal in last 4 years.

2) His results against Murray in last 4 years.

3) Federer's self-assessment in 2015 when he declared that he played better than ever.

Taken all together, decline is obvious.

 

[KINGROGER]

There is even stronger evidence to support theory of Federer decline:

1) His results against Nadal in last 4 years.

2) His results against Murray in last 4 years.

3) Federer's self-assessment in 2015 when he declared that he played better than ever.

Taken all together, decline is obvious.

Or compare Federer’s results vs Djokovic in 2011-2012 to 2014-2015.

Even just watch their 2012 Wimbledon match. Fed was half the player in 14/15 than that match.

 

[nolefam_2024]

What about Djokovic then? He is a monster vs the rest of the field but when he plays Wawrinka in slam finals his balls shrink. Defending Australian Open champion in the middle of his peak loses in the 4th round of his best slam to a journeyman that Fed has comprehensively dominated throughout his career.

Yes, that's true.

When Novak loses to Stan, I don't cry, ohh Nole so old.

Fedfans are pathetic in that department, Fed can be no1 when Novak is not there but as soon as its Nole's big win, Fed is old.

 

[Sport]

Inspired by @Meles
For his supposed peak on the surface 2003 jan -2007 Aug.

And Federer's peak stopped suddenly in 2008 because Nadal defeated him, right? What an excuse. According to this New York Times' article doctors said Federer was recovered from the adverse effects of mononucleosis as soon as late February. He received medical clearance to play normally the 27th of February 2008. Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/sports/07iht-arena.3.10811374.html?pagewanted=all

Federer arrived to the Wimbledon 2008 final in July (more than 4 months after the medical clearance). Federer was moving perfectly in Wimbledon 2008, and he arrived to the final without losing any set. He was 26 and didn't look less fast than in 2007. So he was at his peak. Even the 2007 final was kinda close, Nadal had 4 break points in the 5th set. 26 years old Roger was 100% healthy and at his peak in the 2008 Wimbledon final.[/QUOTE]

 

[robthai]

Yes, that's true.

When Novak loses to Stan, I don't cry, ohh Nole so old.

Fedfans are pathetic in that department, Fed can be no1 when Novak is not there but as soon as its Nole's big win, Fed is old.

yeah and when Novak loses a lot of you Nole fans go missing. Now suddenly he wins two slams and all the Nolerites come out like hungry rats. And why would you call Novak old when he loses to Wawrinka? Novak is two years younger than Stan, you would be stupid to say that. Federer is 6 years older than Djokovic. Lets see how Novak competes when hes 34-35. We are not there yet. At Novaks current age, Fed was able to beat him in slams, hence the Wimbledon 2012 victory.

 

[Fedforever]

When Novak loses to Stan, I don't cry, ohh Nole so old.

Fed does have a bit of an advantage when it comes to Stan - Stan clearly has a bit of a mental block when he sees him over the net.

 

[Legend of Borg]

Yes, that's true.

When Novak loses to Stan, I don't cry, ohh Nole so old.

Fedfans are pathetic in that department, Fed can be no1 when Novak is not there but as soon as its Nole's big win, Fed is old.

m8, when djoker is fed's age you might not be on these forums

you'll probably delete your account if djoker starts losing to players like histamin and geppetto in slams again

 

[nolefam_2024]

m8, when djoker is fed's age you might not be on these forums

you'll probably delete your account if djoker starts losing to players like histamin and geppetto in slams again

Why would he? If Fed can do it, Nole can too.

 

[nolefam_2024]

yeah and when Novak loses a lot of you Nole fans go missing. Now suddenly he wins two slams and all the Nolerites come out like hungry rats. And why would you call Novak old when he loses to Wawrinka? Novak is two years younger than Stan, you would be stupid to say that. Federer is 6 years older than Djokovic. Lets see how Novak competes when hes 34-35. We are not there yet. At Novaks current age, Fed was able to beat him in slams, hence the Wimbledon 2012 victory.

Right, so stop giving excuse.

At Novak's age Fed was not winning slams, Novak won 2 this year.

 

[robthai]

Right, so stop giving excuse.

At Novak's age Fed was not winning slams, Novak won 2 this year.

These are facts, not excuses. Fed was roughly the same age as Novak when he won Wimbledon 2012 So your other point has been debunked.

 

[TMF]

Why would he? If Fed can do it, Nole can too.

Not a given. Nole could retire few years earlier. And even if he still stick around at Fed's age, the chances of him winning slams are slim, because there are only two players in the Open Era were able to win slams at an advanced age.

 

[TMF]

These are facts, not excuses. Fed was roughly the same age as Novak when he won Wimbledon 2012 So your other point has been debunked.

But Federer was able to win slams plus reach multiple slam finals well beyond 31. These are also facts. And there's no fact that Nole can match Federer and Rosewall ageless wonder. He could retire before Nadal. lol